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    Daud-19
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    They attempted to cover up the gospel of thomas for many years.. they didn't own the documents... but certainly put on a major campaign to minimize the gospel..

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      arnoldyasin
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      See

      http//www.amazon.com/Dead-Scrolls-Deception-Michael-Baigent/dp/0671797972/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199367505&sr=1-5

      http//www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0671797972/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-3485564-7317664#reader-link

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        The Essenes who were believed to be the authors of the Scrolls were a sect of Judism and probably as similar to Christians as the Quran only, Sunni, s***es, etc. are.

        John the Baptist was a Essenes before he left to prepare the way for Jesus.

        Wasn't the gospel of St. Thomas found in Eygpt? Too bad some books were lost in a fire.

        "The introduction also says, "These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke..." By using the word "secret" the author is telling you that these sayings are not for everyone's ears. These are the secret teachings that are only for a special chosen few - the solitary elect or monachos in Greek (which is where we get the word "Monk" from). Furthermore, they are the "secret" teachings of the "living Jesus." The term living Jesus is to distinguish the dualism of the mortal man - Jesus of Nazareth - and the immortal divine being living inside him. The living Jesus would be a pre-existent godly being conceptually similar to the Logos in the Gospel of John."

        LOL!! Daud-19 You sure do watch alot of movies - Stigmata.

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        "The plot of the 1999 Hollywood film Stigmata revolves around a cover-up within the Roman Catholic Church of an unnamed lost "Gospel" (that is revealed at the end of the film to be based upon the real-life Gospel of St. Thomas), whose teachings of the immanence of God are profoundly threatening to the church hierarchy."

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          Daud-19
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          The Essenes who were believed to be the authors of the Scrolls were a sect of Judism and probably as similar to Christians as the Quran only, Sunni, s***es, etc. are.

          John the Baptist was a Essenes before he left to prepare the way for Jesus.

          Wasn't the gospel of St. Thomas found in Eygpt? Too bad some books were lost in a fire.

          "The introduction also says, "These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke..." By using the word "secret" the author is telling you that these sayings are not for everyone's ears. These are the secret teachings that are only for a special chosen few - the solitary elect or monachos in Greek (which is where we get the word "Monk" from). Furthermore, they are the "secret" teachings of the "living Jesus." The term living Jesus is to distinguish the dualism of the mortal man - Jesus of Nazareth - and the immortal divine being living inside him. The living Jesus would be a pre-existent godly being conceptually similar to the Logos in the Gospel of John."

          LOL!! Daud-19 You sure do watch alot of movies - Stigmata.

          Wikipedia
          "The plot of the 1999 Hollywood film Stigmata revolves around a cover-up within the Roman Catholic Church of an unnamed lost "Gospel" (that is revealed at the end of the film to be based upon the real-life Gospel of St. Thomas), whose teachings of the immanence of God are profoundly threatening to the church hierarchy."

          Yup, movies are my thing...

          Yes you are right the Gospel of Thomas was found in Egypt when that kid threw the rock and it broke the vase in the cave..

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            ayman
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            Peace Farida,

            What is Quranist opinion regarding the Dead Sea Scrolls and if there is any connection to number 19 there?

            I am certain that like all books ever written, the Dead Sea Scrolls have a Code 19 in them. For example, I am absolutely sure that using the Code 19 methodology, the number of occurences of the word "god" in the scrolls is divisible by 19. If the count initially doesn't add up, you may have to remove a couple of scrolls to get the result, which of course is no problem.

            Peace,

            Ayman

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              farida
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              Peace Farida,

              I am certain that like all books ever written, the Dead Sea Scrolls have a Code 19 in them. For example, I am absolutely sure that using the Code 19 methodology, the number of occurences of the word "god" in the scrolls is divisible by 19. If the count initially doesn't add up, you may have to remove a couple of scrolls to get the result, which of course is no problem.

              Peace,

              Ayman

              Salaam Ayman

              To work out code-19 first we need access to DSS, sadly it is tucked away in a museum in Israel. I am sure it would an eyeopener to study it properly.
              peace

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                Salaam Ayman

                To work out code-19 first we need access to DSS, sadly it is tucked away in a museum in Israel. I am sure it would an eyeopener to study it properly.
                peace

                What he meant was that a "Code 19" can be found in any old text. Such as the US Declaration of Independence

                http//www.nmsr.org/code19.htm

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                  farida
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                  What he meant was that a "Code 19" can be found in any old text. Such as the US Declaration of Independence

                  http//www.nmsr.org/code19.htm

                  Thanks for the link; BTW I was never keen on code-19 I used it above to debate about DSS; what I actually want is access to DSS so that Ayman & other learned ones can review it.
                  peace

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                    unknownuser
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                    For the sake of religious freedom and clarity, sure, but how would the DSS really affect our understanding of the quran?

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                      farida
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                      For the sake of religious freedom and clarity, sure, but how would the DSS really affect our understanding of the quran?

                      Not to understand the Quran through DSS but to find out why all the secrecy about it? Call it my inqusitive self.

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