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    jankren
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    Welcome!

    Secular Muslim is an oxymoron by the way.

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      afsalim
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      Why so?

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        jankren
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        Why so?

        How can you be non-religious and religious at the same time?

        What do you mean by secular in the first place?

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          Secularism does not mean non-religious, it just means believing in a system where religion and state remains separate, allowing freedom of thought and spirituality.

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            jankren
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            Secularism does not mean non-religious, it just means believing in a system where religion and state remains separate, allowing freedom of thought and spirituality.

            Secular does mean non-religious according to any English dictionary. Nevertheless, I understand what you are trying to say. I too am an advocate of 'Secular Government'.

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              Jack
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              welcome Afsalim

              Secular Muslim is an oxymoron by the way

              No it's not. Islam is not a religion...Unless you can tell me how Abraham, Jesus, his followers, Moses, his followers, Noah, Joseph, Solomon and Pharoah were following a religion called Islam (arabic word) and were using the arabic word muslim. Quranically, they all claim to be muslims.

              There's no such thing as Muslim. It's muslim.

              http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15111.0

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                Al_Razi
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                welcome Afsalim

                No it's not. Islam is not a religion...Unless you can tell me how Abraham, Jesus, his followers, Moses, his followers, Noah, Joseph, Solomon and Pharoah were following a religion called Islam (arabic word) and were using the arabic word muslim. Quranically, they all claim to be muslims.

                There's no such thing as Muslim. It's muslim.
                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15111.0

                Dear
                This group has been called as 'THE MUSLIMS " (Al- muslimin) not simply MUSLIMS (muslimin) as you are thinking.

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                Allah had called you "Muslims" before this and has called you * (by the same name) in this (Qur'an)

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                  Jack
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                  peace,

                  2278 can be seen as a proper name, but the vast majority of its usage is as a common word. Thus even if one takes it as a proper name that doesn't discount that it has an actual meaning. It is clear from my studies that its primary signification is as a description, not as a proper noun, but that doesn't mean it cant be used as such.

                  Peace all,

                  Proposing that "al-muslimeen" in 2278 is a proper name is no different than proposing that 1400 years ago the followers of the prophet were actually called "The Submitters" long before Modern English was invented. Saying "The Submitters" to Arabs 1400 years ago or "Al Muslimeen" to Ibrahim's followers a few thousand years earlier would have sounded just as gibberish as saying "Qasdhwdkfvwdhcv" to people on this thread. It will still be gibberish to everyone here even if thousands of years from now some yet to be invented language will have "qasdhwdkfvwdhcv" as a meaningful word.

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                    Tay
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                    Peace and welcome, afsalim.

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                      Fadhli
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                      There's no such thing as Muslim. It's muslim.

                      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15111.0

                      Hehe yeah.. nowadays in sermon, sunnis (i'm among the sunnis) have been saying about humiliation to Islam, Or Islam says this, Islam says that Islam forbids this Islam forbids that.... i wonder, is Islam their God now? I only heard Allah when they are reciting some of the quran verse.. correct me if i'm wrong, Islam not a noun. And surely not a holy noun. D

                      Peace and welcome afsalim, may God guide us.

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                        ayani
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                        peace, afsalim. it's great to meet you! i was on ummah for a while, but same issues. i remember thinking "this can't be Isalm..."

                        marhaba, welcome. peace

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