"SURA LIKE IT", WHAT IT MAY REALLY MEAN!
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Peace "the nabi",
Yes but how do you know if something is the truth? Youll need to compare with the real world. GOD Bless!As Salaam Alaikum
Compare the Surahs of the Holy Qur'an to those of human authors and see if you can find just one who in a single chapter has dealt with science, history, philosophy, poetry, law and human psychology, hidden meanings, the future and logic and much more which we humans are ever discovering new meanings in, as we evolve.
Qur'an fascinate me,
peace -
As Salaam Alaikum
Compare the Surahs of the Holy Qur'an to those of human authors and see if you can find just one who in a single chapter has dealt with science, history, philosophy, poetry, law and human psychology, hidden meanings, the future and logic and much more which we humans are ever discovering new meanings in, as we evolve.
Qur'an fascinate me,
peaceme, too. peace yay well said, Farida.
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What I see, is this
You witness Gods truth. And if these verses are not true, then make new verses, and bring forth the witnesses to these.
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What I see, is this
You witness Gods truth. And if these verses are not true, then make new verses, and bring forth the witnesses to these.
Interesting idea. Can i know what is your definition on these witnesses? I'm trying to imagine, what kind of God's truth that they are witnessing. If the truth is the word of Muhammad that came from God. I assume the witnesses would be his follower/ companion correct?. So if the Christians or Jews are accepting the challenge and made a sura like it. Would their witnesses be their followers?
I notice the last word of the verses shown by JK. I think this is the punch line.
....and invite whomever you can, other than GOD, if you are truthful. <---- from my understanding this could mean they are being an atheist or serving other than God already. Which i can conclude, whoever wanted to accept this challenge is already not a believer.
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Qur'an 37-9 Surah Ale-'Imran (The Family of 'Imran)
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical seeking discord and searching for its hidden meanings but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord"; and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding. -
Interesting idea. Can i know what is your definition on these witnesses? I'm trying to imagine, what kind of God's truth that they are witnessing. If the truth is the word of Muhammad that came from God. I assume the witnesses would be his follower/ companion correct?. So if the Christians or Jews are accepting the challenge and made a sura like it. Would their witnesses be their followers?
I notice the last word of the verses shown by JK. I think this is the punch line.
....and invite whomever you can, other than GOD, if you are truthful. <---- from my understanding this could mean they are being an atheist or serving other than God already. Which i can conclude, whoever wanted to accept this challenge is already not a believer.
Not necessarily. Let's suppose Christians vs Muslims, then it is clear that by referring to god, they would turn to their respective books.
Either way, it really doesn't concern me ;D
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This is one of those chapters starting with - Alif. Lam. Mim.
Alif. Lam. Mim.
This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
What if ALM is actually- ALMsyyh
The Christ is the WORD in which there is no doubt, a guidance unto those.
What if the slave is not Mohammad but Jesus?
And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a surah of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful.
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This is one of those chapters starting with - Alif. Lam. Mim.
Alif. Lam. Mim.
This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
What if ALM is actually- ALMsyyh
um... this is a severe and startling case in eisigesis, pvb. the Quran is not about Jesus. the Quran does not contain "hidden messages" about Jesus. the Quran states, simply, that Jesus was a messenger, a human being, who called his followers to worship God, and be compassionate.
we do not worship the Messiah, God forbid it. to read into the NT your ideas and find support for a trinity and for Paul's ideas, why protest that? it is your faith. unto you your faith, of course. but your eisegesis here, of the Quran and the opening letters, is confoundingly off. i also believe that God does not guide (in right faith) those who guess and suppose and invent ideas about Him without understanding.
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Praised be Lord Jesus.
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What have you been taught that the initials mean?
Are you saying that Mohammad did not understand that Jesus was the WORD.
i have not been taught anything, specifically, about the initial letters. but to say they spell out a message about Jesus being someone to worship... certainly not.
as a Muslim, i say that Jesus was not the "word" as you are quoting from John. i believe that he came by God's permission and blessing to speak about God to his followers, to speak the message of God to them. as far as him embodying God or being God, no. God willing you know that the Quran does not teach / describe that, and that this is not something Muslims believe.
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http//islamawakened.org/quran/3/45/default.htm
http//islamawakened.org/quran/4/158/default.htm
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ayani- How would that be a hidden message? A hidden message is counting every 12 letter to makes words, or using some math code to try and prove something. A sure guidance to people would not have initials that no one understands!
I don't believe that "The Christ is the WORD in which there is no doubt, a guidance unto those." is saying to worship Jesus.
Even as a muslim you have to agree that GOD had a special place and mission for Jesus, above all others.
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Peace to all,
no we dont have to believe that as "muslims" pvc, we do believe that he was just as special as other prophets and/ or messengers, his mission was more unique than others though because he was sent specifically to the jews as their last chance to keep their covenant with God, this is why jesus was sent to them specifically as Jesus even says in the NT, " I have only been sent to the lost sheep of Israel, and I am not to preach unto the gentiles" though his message was the same true message of GOd, as were the others messengers messages, his mission was unique and for the jews. The Quran is the final, perfect , and universal revelation of God, for all of us for all times, at least until judgment day.
Kurt
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ayani- How would that be a hidden message? A hidden message is counting every 12 letter to makes words, or using some math code to try and prove something. A sure guidance to people would not have initials that no one understands!
I don't believe that "The Christ is the WORD in which there is no doubt, a guidance unto those." is saying to worship Jesus.
Even as a muslim you have to agree that GOD had a special place and mission for Jesus, above all others.
Actually pvb in Al Quran we are commanded by God to NOT prefer one prophet over another or differentiate between them, and this includes Jesus and Muhammad. See the verses below
2285 "The messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord and so have the believers; each has believed in God, His angels, His scriptures and His messengers. 'We do not differentiate among His messengers' and they said 'we heard and we obeyed; we seek your forgiveness, Our Lord, and unto You is our destiny'."
384 "Say 'we believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was revealed to Ibraheem and Isma'eel and Iss-haq and Ya'qub and the patriarchs and what was given to Musa and I'ssa and what was given to the prophets by their Lord, we do not differentiate among any of them and we are submitters unto Him'".
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469 Say "I am no different from the other messengers, nor do I know what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is inspired to me. I am no more than a clear warner
This includes Jesus
Looks like Apple Pie is back. rotfl
Peace Jonny,
223 doesn't mention Muhammad. The address is to An-Nas/mankind (221).
1038 applies to all people, not just jews and Christians. That's preposterous. Are you saying all besides jews and chrisitians are excused here ?!
1113 see the comments on 1038.
Since Al quran was to some guy named muhammad (good luck proving which one), we shouldn't follow it right? It was just for him. )
1452 This is a proclamation for mankind and so that they are warned with it, and so that they know that there is but One God, and so that those with intelligence will remember.
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Mohammad wasn.t a prophet he was a warner?
So Mohammad is not held above Jesus in Islam? That is really a surprise to me. Or is it so with the Quran onlyfollowers? If so then actually the Quran only are very close to the Bahai faith.
So why was Jesus sinless, His sides not touched by satan at birth? Or is this a hadith?
Jesus came for the Jews first, but the all non Jews were next. His purpose on earth had to be completed before the good news of it could reach others.
The Quran does warn Christians to follow their scripture.