Verse About Hitting Women
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Here's a thought; the Qur'an is not God's words - they are Muhammad's.
So what? Is there a point there?
You clearly seems to have an agenda. If you don't like what the quran says why not just ignore it? Instead of trying to cherry pick awful translations to make your preconceived points.
2849 Say "Then bring forth a book from God that is better in guidance so I may follow it, if you are truthful."
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The challenge to bring something better or like the Qur'an is totally subjective.
Personally I find Plato's Republic (amongst many others) better than the Qur'an.
I see nothing special about the Qur'an.
Some bits are beautiful - other bits dull - and still other bits make me cringe.
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Peace all,
The Quran is a reminder. We were all born with innate knowledge of right from wrong, according to the Quran, and some new exciting experiments by psychologists on babies. If someone finds that something other than the Quran helps them reach these values and attain those morals, then there is nothing wrong with pursuing that path. It is better than to mindlessly go around thinking that "I believe in the Quran" without benefitting a bit from its content.
Nadeem
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The challenge to bring something better or like the Qur'an is totally subjective.
Personally I find Plato's Republic (amongst many others) better than the Qur'an.
I see nothing special about the Qur'an.
Some bits are beautiful - other bits dull - and still other bits make me cringe.
And? You missed the point. Instead of spreading hate, you should either find a better book or write one yourself.
Good for you.
Now you have studied the quran extensively IN ITS LANGUAGE to come to your conclusions, no?
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The Quran itself gives guidance as to how to read it and how to understand it. It says to read it in the best of meanins. So what is so complicated about that. D'ont each of us know what is the best meaning that we can give to what we read? Some times the reaction is as if what in fact the Quran had instructed us was to give it the worst meaning we can possibly conceive. We misguide ourselves either directly or or by choosing to follow other people's own limitations instead of putting in our very best.
Salaam
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The challenge to bring something better or like the Qur'an is totally subjective.
Personally I find Plato's Republic (amongst many others) better than the Qur'an.
I see nothing special about the Qur'an.
Some bits are beautiful - other bits dull - and still other bits make me cringe.
Oh right, because plato's republic isn't sexist, militaristic, xenophobic, sexually perverted, advocating eugenics and the ruthless destruction of family life. Wait a minute, yes it is. Not that I didn't enjoy reading it, but that was partly out of morbid fascination.
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Peace
It's not about bringing something better, because it is simply talking about bringing forth the truth. You cannot bring a truth and challenge the quran because according to it it is a redaction of the truth. Thus if anything, the fools who accept this challenge can only bring forth a falsehood. In other words one will simply be bringing the same truth if anything and rhetoric. So if you ARE truthful you can bring NO antithesis to the quran's doctrines.
Joe
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Not sure that works, Joe, surely the relative truth of the Quran is judged by readers empirically, it isn't the case that everything in it is ontologically certain merely by virtue of being written there.
Thus the verse
2849 Say "Then bring forth a scripture from God that is better in guidance so I may follow it, if you are truthful."
is not automatically rejecting anything different. It isn't saying "You're stupid and wrong for believing anything different". It is saying "If you've got something better, let's see it!" It's trying to encourage a genuine quest for the truth. It is the statement of a true seeker of wisdom, not someone who is closed minded, not someone who believes only he is right and everyone else is wrong.
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Peace
It's not about bringing something better, because it is simply talking about bringing forth the truth. You cannot bring a truth and challenge the quran because according to it it is a redaction of the truth. Thus if anything, the fools who accept this challenge can only bring forth a falsehood. In other words one will simply be bringing the same truth if anything and rhetoric. So if you ARE truthful you can bring NO antithesis to the quran's doctrines.Joe
make sense... yes
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make sense... yes
Salaam
I just can't understand why the discussion seems to divert to other issues brickwall when the problem of domestic violence is the topic ie the subject of ridicule here.
I would invite all to pay attention to the importance of restraint in addressed in verse 34 of Suratun-Nisa,; it has been included in the Qur?an in order to divert a man from abusing his physical strength in favour of using his power of restraint.
Think which is easier; excercising anger which is commonly done by men who hit their wives OR curbing it, which in turn will never result in hitting a woman but could be used by the victim to ask the court to punish the abuser. hmmpeace
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Salaam
I just can't understand why the discussion seems to divert to other issues brickwall when the problem of domestic violence is the topic ie the subject of ridicule here.
I would invite all to pay attention to the importance of restraint in addressed in verse 34 of Suratun-Nisa,; it has been included in the Qur?an in order to divert a man from abusing his physical strength in favour of using his power of restraint.
Think which is easier; excercising anger which is commonly done by men who hit their wives OR curbing it, which in turn will never result in hitting a woman but could be used by the victim to ask the court to punish the abuser. hmm
peaceYou yourself are exercising anger by using this ------> ( brickwall ) Aren't you?
Also its common among those men/women who have some sort of mental weaknesses and they really need to see a psychiatrists at least once every month.
434 says "beat them" which is inhuman of course.
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You yourself are exercising anger by using this ------> ( brickwall ) Aren't you?
Also its common among those men/women who have some sort of mental weaknesses and they really need to see a psychiatrists at least once every month.
434 says "beat them" which is inhuman of course.
Salaam
I would rather brickwall than to hit anyone this is not excersing anger but drawing attention to much misunderstood subject.Ofcorse it is humanly impossible that a man would still maintain his rage and beat his wife despite giving her warning and time to seperate bed such a cooling period will calm down anyone who is angry unless he is inhumane.
However I would rather ask you to think why, according to Quranic instructions, when a man wants to divorce his wife he is supposed to stay close to her until finalising the divorce, but when he fears rebellion from her he is instead asked to separate beds?
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Any idea? According to quran what is rebellion? Does quran say anything about that or it is left on husband to decide that such and such kind of behaviour would be considered as rebellion. You seem very knowledgeable sister, looking forward to learn. hail
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Any idea? According to quran what is rebellion? Does quran say anything about that or it is left on husband to decide that such and such kind of behaviour would be considered as rebellion. You seem very knowledgeable sister, looking forward to learn. hail
Rebellion as I understand is going against ones expectation. I hope now you can respond to my question above.
hmm Domestic violence happens because one party does something against the wishes of another provoking anger on part of the one who expected compliance.
peace
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Rebellion as I understand is going against ones expectation. I hope now you can respond to my question above.
hmm Domestic violence happens because one party does something against the wishes of another provoking anger on part of the one who expected compliance.
peace
My sis, is it what your common sense says or is that what quran says? hail
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Please use your common sense, things will become clear and than try and reply to my question.
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It seems you don't want to share your knowledge with us, ah.. ok... no worries, I ask my other brothers and sisters to share if they know according to quran what is rebellion? Does quran say anything about that or it is left on each individual to decide that such and such kind of behaviour would be considered as rebellion. As my sister farida thinks rebellion is going against ones expectations, so can every individual using one's own common sense decide like that and act?
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It seems you don't want to share your knowledge with us, ah.. ok... no worries, I ask my other brothers and sisters to share if they know according to quran what is rebellion? Does quran say anything about that or it is left on each individual to decide that such and such kind of behaviour would be considered as rebellion. As my sister farida thinks rebellion is going against ones expectations, so can every individual using one's own common sense decide like that and act?
Haven?t you heard about case of such husband who beats his wife simply because she did not put salt to his expectation in the food she cooked? )
I would ask again to think why, according to Quranic instructions, when a man wants to divorce his wife he is supposed to stay close to her until finalising the divorce, but when he fears rebellion from her he is instead instructed to separate beds?