Sad & Angry Moslem
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Dear Brothers & Sisters
I?m very glad that I came cross your website. I thought I was alone in these world facing a man made ideology called ?Islam Shariaa? that were never approved by God in his Holly Book ?The Qran?, and a very mad people who protect such Evil Shariaa. I was called Kaffer because I told them that the Quran is the right pass for the Nation of Mohamed (PBUH), and any other books that was written without the authority of the prophet Mohamed and after more than 200 years of his death can not be the main source of guidance for Moslem.
In other Quranic words,
This is the book; in it is guidance, sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;.
Any way, I want to share a crazy famous fatwa, which is the Stoning to Death for married man and women who commit adultery.
The fatwa can be found in http//www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545902
The Evil Mofty says that there is a Quran verse that was revealed to the Prophet (PBUH) that emphasis the stonning, but the prophet did not write it!!!!!!!!!!! In other words, The Quran is not complete, and the Prophet was careless to write God?s massages!!! brickwall
I Qute
The second point that should be borne in mind on this issue is that, as previously refuted, the statement that the Qur?an is silent on this punishment is not genuine. Actually, according to renowned Muslim jurists, there was a verse (Ayah) in the Qur?an that talked about this matter. Though the verse was abrogated, but the abrogation here is in wording; the ruling is still kept in force.
One may ask ?What is abrogation?? Abrogation means removal. It may involve the text or the ruling or both. There is a great Divine wisdom behind every incident of abrogation, part of which is to assert that the Islamic legislation, unlike man-made ones, was not established at once; rather, all its teachings and rulings were set gradually. In addition, when abrogating the words of a verse but not its ruling, this serves as a reminder that not all the Divine messages are to be through one channel, i.e. a direct revelation. Rather, part of these messages is to be clarified through the practice and tradition of the Prophet sent to deliver the message.
The abrogated verse stated that ?A married man and woman, if they commit adultery, stone them to death.?The clam of the missing Verse can be found in the official website for the Saudi Arabia >, but in Arabic.
(http//quran.alislam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=arb&nSora=24&nAya=2&t=eng)It is very clear that this people hijacked the Islam 1300 years ago, and wrote books that they can use to cancel out God?s true religion. Books that claim lies about our prophet so they can force it upon Moslem people, and if they reject it because it contradict the Quran (their God's True Words), they become Kaffer. elektro
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Hello
Welcome to the forum! O0
I agree with what you say and for some people its very hard to be self critical, honest and challenge your upbringing/culture. Hence some people never question what they've been taught and become asleep.
While others who are self critical, honest and question their beliefs these people are awake and are being helped by The God.
PEACE
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Dear belalhammad
You are not alone. That Fatwa you showed is pure hypocracy. Do they even believe the Quran? IT says lash them, not stone them...
God Willing those Hijackers will face punishment for their crimes. elektro
Anyway Welcome to the forum handshake -
Thank you
Here is another broof that there is no stonning4-25. If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
If the punishment is stoning to death, how can you do half of it in the previous verse?s case! sun
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Greetings and welcome belalhammad,
You're absolutely correct as clearly written out by bro pazuzu and others in a recent thread...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16630.msg166258#msg166258
Peace
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Thank you
Here is another broof that there is no stonning4-25. If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
If the punishment is stoning to death, how can you do half of it in the previous verse?s case! sun
Would you please confirm if bifahishatin in that particular verse means zina?
welcome
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peace,
Firstly, welcome.
I was called Kaffer because I told them that the Quran is the right pass for the Nation of Mohamed (PBUH)
I just thought, it would be interesting to see which type of person got the most positive reaction from Traditional Muslims
A "The Quran is a difficult book to understand so I will use the best interpretation of it via ahadith, schools of thought, scholars etc and read and apply that rather than trying to read and understand The Quran".
B "I will try to read and understand The Quran to the best of my ability, and if I dont understand something only then will I refer to ahadith, schools of thought, scholars etc as they come second."
I wonder.
Anyways, as for being angry, there are some sayings on it
He who angers you conquers you.
Choose
The single clenched fist lifted and ready,
Or the open hand held out and waiting.
Choose
For we meet by one or the other.Be not angry that you cannot make others as you wish them to be, since you cannot make yourself as you wish to be.
Anybody can become angry, that is easy; but to be angry with the right person, and to the right degree, and at the right time, and for the right purpose, and in the right way, that is not within everybody's power, that is not easy.
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Salam everyone
To Wakas, Thank you for the advice;
God mentioned in the Quran that the prophet used to get angry and sad when people disbelieved him, and he was instructed to not get sad, simply because if God wants them to believe and become believers he would do so.
I believe that the Quran is very easy to be understood, and also believe that if I do not understand any verse I should go back to the different taffseers.
To RasulHamsa
According to any Quran Tafsir, The "Fahisha" is the Zina, and I believe it is. -
Another broof that there is no stonning
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(62) The (faithful) slaves of the Beneficent are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer Peace; (63) And who spend the night before their Lord, prostrate and standing, (64) And who say Our Lord! Avert from us the doom of hell; lo! the doom thereof is anguish; (65) Lo! it is wretched as abode and station; (66) And those who, when they spend, are neither prodigal nor grudging; and there is ever a firm station between the two; (67) And those who cry not unto any other god along with Allah, nor take the life which Allah hath forbidden save in (course of) justice, nor commit adultery - and whoso doeth this shall pay the penalty; (6 The doom will be doubled for him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein disdained for ever; (69) Save him who repenteth and believeth and doth righteous work; as for such, Allah will change their evil deeds to good deeds. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.If there was a stonning, how come God says him who repenteth and believeth and doth righteous work
As we all now "Ebad ElRahaman" are men and women who are married or singles, and if were the married were to be stoned to death, God would have not said doth righteous work. sun -
Welcome to the forum brother
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Peace,
Respectfully.welcome to the forum and do not fear men, but fear God, He is The AllPowerful and HIs Punishment is more severe and lasts longer.
Allah SWT punishes with the Fire, men only make threats and will regret them sooner then they think.
Peace.
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Dear Brothers & Sisters
I?m very glad that I came cross your website. I thought I was alone in these world facing a man made ideology called ?Islam Shariaa? that were never approved by God in his Holly Book ?The Qran?,It's all man-made. Including the "Holy Book"
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It's all man-made. Including the "Holy Book"
Salam
Here is why the Quran is not Man-Made Book
(23-11) Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; (12) Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; (13) Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators! (14) Then lo! after that ye surely die. (15) Then lo! on the Day of Resurrection ye are raised (again).In the Quran, God explained how a human embryo grows inside the mother (with details), how a human, 1500 years ago knows such sound knowledge? Please read the Old theories about Human Embryo and you will know that Scientists were lost until the X-Ray machine was invented
36-39) It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
How Mohamed (PBUH) would know this one., how did he know that the sun and the moon float in an ORBIT.
Do not you know that the MOON disappears from the sky for 14 days each month, why Mohamed did not say that the MOON GETS EATEN BY THE SUN brickwallWhich then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
Soon will We apply Ourselves to you, O you two armies.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
O assembly of the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass through the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass through; you cannot pass through but with authority.How Mohamed knew, 1400 years ago, that humans today will fly through the sky using The ENERGY "With authority".
If this is not enough evidences that the Quran is the words of the Creator of every thing, then what else do we need?
Peace
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4140 And it has been sent down to you in the Scripture, that if you hear God's revelations being rejected and ridiculed in, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different subject; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers in Hell all together.
I advice all the believers to just ignore cosmicdancer (there is a button for it). He must get a kick out of mocking peoples beliefs.
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4140 And it has been sent down to you in the Scripture, that if you hear God's revelations being rejected and ridiculed in, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different subject; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers in Hell all together.
I advice all the believers to just ignore cosmicdancer (there is a button for it). He must get a kick out of mocking peoples beliefs.
Thank you;
I think that cosmicdancer is either someone who is lost and trying to find the Path of God (God will help him), or he or she is trying to mislead people from the true path of God (God will take care of him)
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God will take care of him
How will God take care of me?
Do you mean He will burn my skin off then replace it with new skin and burn me again and again for all eternity?
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36-39) It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
How Mohamed (PBUH) would know this one., how did he know that the sun and the moon float in an ORBIT.
Do not you know that the MOON disappears from the sky for 14 days each month, why Mohamed did not say that the MOON GETS EATEN BY THE SUNhttp//www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/people/ancient_epoch/ptolemy.html
But the advice of you, me and all goodly soul's is be good and do good as no doubt we will meet our maker.
May God Bless you all.
