Sad & Angry Moslem

AlFajr

Dear belalhammad
You are not alone. That Fatwa you showed is pure hypocracy. Do they even believe the Quran? IT says lash them, not stone them...
God Willing those Hijackers will face punishment for their crimes. elektro
Anyway Welcome to the forum handshake

belH

Thank you
Here is another broof that there is no stonning

4-25. If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

If the punishment is stoning to death, how can you do half of it in the previous verse?s case! sun

unknownuser

Greetings and welcome belalhammad,

You're absolutely correct as clearly written out by bro pazuzu and others in a recent thread...

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16630.msg166258#msg166258

Peace

unknownuser

Thank you
Here is another broof that there is no stonning

4-25. If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

If the punishment is stoning to death, how can you do half of it in the previous verse?s case! sun

Would you please confirm if bifahishatin in that particular verse means zina?

welcome

Wakas

peace,

Firstly, welcome.

I was called Kaffer because I told them that the Quran is the right pass for the Nation of Mohamed (PBUH)

I just thought, it would be interesting to see which type of person got the most positive reaction from Traditional Muslims

A "The Quran is a difficult book to understand so I will use the best interpretation of it via ahadith, schools of thought, scholars etc and read and apply that rather than trying to read and understand The Quran".

B "I will try to read and understand The Quran to the best of my ability, and if I dont understand something only then will I refer to ahadith, schools of thought, scholars etc as they come second."

I wonder.

Anyways, as for being angry, there are some sayings on it

He who angers you conquers you.

Choose
The single clenched fist lifted and ready,
Or the open hand held out and waiting.
Choose
For we meet by one or the other.

Be not angry that you cannot make others as you wish them to be, since you cannot make yourself as you wish to be.

Anybody can become angry, that is easy; but to be angry with the right person, and to the right degree, and at the right time, and for the right purpose, and in the right way, that is not within everybody's power, that is not easy.

belH

Salam everyone
To Wakas, Thank you for the advice;
God mentioned in the Quran that the prophet used to get angry and sad when people disbelieved him, and he was instructed to not get sad, simply because if God wants them to believe and become believers he would do so.
I believe that the Quran is very easy to be understood, and also believe that if I do not understand any verse I should go back to the different taffseers.
To RasulHamsa
According to any Quran Tafsir, The "Fahisha" is the Zina, and I believe it is.

belH

Another broof that there is no stonning

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(62) The (faithful) slaves of the Beneficent are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer Peace; (63) And who spend the night before their Lord, prostrate and standing, (64) And who say Our Lord! Avert from us the doom of hell; lo! the doom thereof is anguish; (65) Lo! it is wretched as abode and station; (66) And those who, when they spend, are neither prodigal nor grudging; and there is ever a firm station between the two; (67) And those who cry not unto any other god along with Allah, nor take the life which Allah hath forbidden save in (course of) justice, nor commit adultery - and whoso doeth this shall pay the penalty; (6 The doom will be doubled for him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein disdained for ever; (69) Save him who repenteth and believeth and doth righteous work; as for such, Allah will change their evil deeds to good deeds. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

If there was a stonning, how come God says him who repenteth and believeth and doth righteous work
As we all now "Ebad ElRahaman" are men and women who are married or singles, and if were the married were to be stoned to death, God would have not said doth righteous work. sun

unknownuser

Welcome to the forum brother

belH

Welcome to the forum brother )

Thank you and God Bless

Alen

Peace,
Respectfully.

welcome to the forum and do not fear men, but fear God, He is The AllPowerful and HIs Punishment is more severe and lasts longer.

Allah SWT punishes with the Fire, men only make threats and will regret them sooner then they think.

Peace.

cosmicdancer

Dear Brothers & Sisters
I?m very glad that I came cross your website. I thought I was alone in these world facing a man made ideology called ?Islam Shariaa? that were never approved by God in his Holly Book ?The Qran?,

It's all man-made. Including the "Holy Book"

belH

It's all man-made. Including the "Holy Book"

Salam
Here is why the Quran is not Man-Made Book
(23-11) Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; (12) Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; (13) Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators! (14) Then lo! after that ye surely die. (15) Then lo! on the Day of Resurrection ye are raised (again).

In the Quran, God explained how a human embryo grows inside the mother (with details), how a human, 1500 years ago knows such sound knowledge? Please read the Old theories about Human Embryo and you will know that Scientists were lost until the X-Ray machine was invented

36-39) It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

How Mohamed (PBUH) would know this one., how did he know that the sun and the moon float in an ORBIT.
Do not you know that the MOON disappears from the sky for 14 days each month, why Mohamed did not say that the MOON GETS EATEN BY THE SUN brickwall

Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
Soon will We apply Ourselves to you, O you two armies.
Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
O assembly of the jinn and the men! If you are able to pass through the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass through; you cannot pass through but with authority.

How Mohamed knew, 1400 years ago, that humans today will fly through the sky using The ENERGY "With authority".

If this is not enough evidences that the Quran is the words of the Creator of every thing, then what else do we need?

Peace

AlFajr

4140 And it has been sent down to you in the Scripture, that if you hear God's revelations being rejected and ridiculed in, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different subject; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers in Hell all together.

I advice all the believers to just ignore cosmicdancer (there is a button for it). He must get a kick out of mocking peoples beliefs.

belH

4140 And it has been sent down to you in the Scripture, that if you hear God's revelations being rejected and ridiculed in, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different subject; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers in Hell all together.

I advice all the believers to just ignore cosmicdancer (there is a button for it). He must get a kick out of mocking peoples beliefs.

Thank you;
I think that cosmicdancer is either someone who is lost and trying to find the Path of God (God will help him), or he or she is trying to mislead people from the true path of God (God will take care of him)
Peace

cosmicdancer

God will take care of him

How will God take care of me?

Do you mean He will burn my skin off then replace it with new skin and burn me again and again for all eternity?

IronSky

Peace to all,

That may be the least of your worries CosmicDancer, why do you try to spread your doubt to others, what is your point and what will you gain by it, are you looking for others to keep you company as your skin roasts for eternity?

Kurt

belH

How will God take care of me?

Do you mean He will burn my skin off then replace it with new skin and burn me again and again for all eternity?

Salam
You have to answer my first reply to you if you want me to answer that question.

unknownuser

36-39) It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

How Mohamed (PBUH) would know this one., how did he know that the sun and the moon float in an ORBIT.
Do not you know that the MOON disappears from the sky for 14 days each month, why Mohamed did not say that the MOON GETS EATEN BY THE SUN

http//www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/people/ancient_epoch/ptolemy.html

But the advice of you, me and all goodly soul's is be good and do good as no doubt we will meet our maker.

May God Bless you all.

jankren