Back on the right path
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Thank you brothers and sisters for your sincere welcomes and replies. Today is 3 weeks that I accepted Submission fully into my heart. I thank God I have been guided. It is a peaceful and wonderful feeling. Feel free to contact me. I appreciate those who have already and the new friends I am making.
Peace
Bob
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Are these the 2 verses you believe are false? Please explain why? I am not Muslim but of all the ones to believe are false, I just don't understand.
There hath come unto you a messenger, (one) of yourselves, unto whom aught that ye are overburdened is grievous, full of concern for you, for the believers full of pity, merciful.
Now, if they turn away (O Muhammad) say Allah sufficeth me. There is no God save Him. In Him have I put my trust, and He is Lord of the Tremendous Throne.
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Peace everyone,
I also don't get the false verse claim. I'd really like to know more about it. Anyone direct me to where i can find out? There doesn't seem anything sus with those verses at all. Claiming that the quran contains false verses doesn't this contradict ALLAH when he says that the quran is divinely protected?
Yeah and welcome Bob... welcome Really enjoyed ur testimony.
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Dear Brother Bob Welcome
In same day I was banned about same time you registered and praise be to God that nothing is coincidence.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16279.msg161451#msg161451
I did not have chance to say welcome to
Your first post shows how Miracle cause such confidence that after 25 years regenerates such confidence that you will leave this illusion with it.
I believe in you as you have understood it completely as you have searched, study and examine it for correctness.
When you sent me your data verification for ANM plus . it was exactly what I was looking .
There was minor difficulty corrected and your excel work is published in separate sheets but accusable from any where.
It may need some correct if has happened during transferring data.
Your verification is added to this site relate to clip.Peace.
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Peace Bahman,
What about music? I don't mind some music. I mainly only listen to music when I exercise, I don't think its haram. Though music with foul course language or even with sexual reference in my opinion wouldn?t be halal.
Isn't anasheed a form of singing, don't they use the daff instrument? Isn't that music? I think when one uses music to distract themself and let's it control their emotions and the way they act that's when it goes extreme.
I follow things I have learnt from my parents and things I have learnt through experience. My parent's aren't against music so if that?s what you?re trying to allude to? I have my own views of life but I can?t openly express it all to them. I could, though it would cause trouble so I hold back. I?m not sure how this relates to the verse you have posted.
Salam.
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Sarah ~
salam. i like music, too. i see no reason from the Quran why it should be haram. so long as the theme is not hateful, obscene, such things, i'm ok with it.
i like the Avett Brothers, Bruce Springsteen, and nasheeds, too. i also come from a musical family- music is a gift from God, and we should use music in the right way.
peace
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Peace Sarah
Presence of ?ibelieve19? in this forum could be an excuse for me to be active here again.
I am happy to see young generation like you spending your time on line for searching truth and fact.What about music? I don't mind some music. I mainly only listen to music when I exercise, I don't think its haram. Though music with foul course language or even with sexual reference in my opinion wouldn?t be halal.
I think here is some misunderstanding resulted such response.
When you wrote?Wow, how awesome ?
I was not sure is that a encouraging or is mocking. Because in this forum there many mockers that when they do not have enough reasonable response then they mock.
If that is encouraging then please accept my apology, thank you sister and God Bless you.
But in case of mocking then I had to do a little search of your other post you have responded I found this
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16251.msg166155#msg166155
Defending prophet and trying to fix fabricated fair tale stories as history and traditions written ( Hadith) 200 years after prophet by people like Boukharaie far away from prophet place and none Arabic then I got such vision that you are Sunni or Shia which are not allowed to listen to music or have picture at their home.
My response to people that blindly referring to Hadith to reject Quran is that
Now we have Clear proof that Quran is authore by God Alone and is the ONLY source to be a Muslim ( submitter) 319 .
What Mohammed did in his private life right or wrong could be buried with him. He was enough honest and trustworthy that God reveal his complete, detailed scripture which confirms all previous scriptures.
The messages are designed for different time and location up to end of this world. Some belongs to past, some matches our era time and some are for future.I listen to music too and like those that words have good meaning and rhythm is relaxing. The music in background of clip is copied from this clip.
http//ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz59BwDie08
Music is like drug can be used to give relaxation to sicks as medication or can cause hyper ness and even violence same a knife in hand of a surgeon or in hand of a criminal.
I follow things I have learnt from my parents and things I have learnt through experience. My parent's aren't against music so if that?s what you?re trying to allude to? I have my own views of life but I can?t openly express it all to them. I could, though it would cause trouble so I hold back. I?m not sure how this relates to the verse you have posted.
Radical Mohammedans are against music and I am not sure what is your standing .
I thought my be you are one of those people that before examine what is offered they reject it and may music cause they do not watch the clip carefully.
That page takes you verses that are linked to file why Hadith is not right.
I apologize again if I have been wrong about you and ask for forgiveness from God Alone.
But finally may this could be an start knowing each other better.
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Peace.
music is a gift from God,
You are right sister.
Psalm is singing and music which God clearly =]authored in Quran several times was given to David and here it says clearly Psalm AND the enlightening scripture
If they reject you, messengers before you have been rejected, even though they brought proofs, the Psalms, and the enlightening scripture.
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Asalamu alaikum
Just to clarify I wasn?t mocking.
The link you posted as you can see stated ?from a traditional perspective?. Maybe I was a bit harsh in my response I was just frustrated. Anyway.
The truth, I don?t know the truth. I don?t know the names of the people he married I don?t know anything all I know is what I?m told in the Quran and from sources that aren?t necessarily reputable. Though personally such things to me aren?t important, my life doesn?t revolve around how somebody else lived, but he is a prominent figure so I believe it?s important to take the good. I still believe that there definitely may be lots of truths in them and lots of falsehood too, in hadith that is.People don?t blindly follow hadith to reject the Quran, they read hadith to try and verify the meaning of the Quran.
Ok the Quran is the clear proof, but what I find is people interpret things to their own wishes and whims. They make meanings from a verse which I necessarily don?t agree with, and that?s what turns me off this sort of community. I find it too lenient in ways and portray the community as frail. It?s kinda like the general traditional Muslim, if they don?t hear the answer they want they argue and argue until someone agrees with them then they don?t feel so guilty pursuing their decisions. Or with traditionalist they just wait for some fatwa or some sheikh to agree with them. I know I?m generalizing but I see it a lot and it?s off putting.If music has a bad effect on people or totally distracts them on worship then I wouldn?t promote it, nor say it?s good. Not all drugs are good, when addiction happens that?s a worry. Like I said before I don?t think music is bad, it?s when you use it for the wrong reasons or listen to the wrong thing when it?s not right.
No apology needed
Take care
Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.welcome to the forum brother and i hop you make lots of friends here, God willing.
Keep reading the Qur'an and also pay special attention to the verse in the Qur'an (sorry, i forgot which verse in which chapter) where God The Most Wise, tells us this"No falsehood can enter it in the past nor in the future."Also"Today i have perfected your religion." Today, obviously means back then.
May Allah SWT bless you and i wish you all the luck, brother.
Welcome to the forum and keep researching.Peace.
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Peace
The link you posted as you can see stated ?from a traditional perspective?.
You mean this link ?
http//creatorsignature.com/
I would appreciate pin point ?from a traditional perspective?.Maybe I was a bit harsh in my response I was just frustrated.
Where you frustrated from site content. ? or something else. ?
Anyway. The truth, I don?t know the truth. I don?t know the names of the people he married I don?t know anything all I know is what I?m told in the Quran and from sources that aren?t necessarily reputable.
Who married?Though personally such things to me aren?t important, my life doesn?t revolve around how somebody else lived, but he is a prominent figure so I believe it?s important to take the good.
Are you talking about prophet Muhammad ?
I still believe that there definitely may be lots of truths in them and lots of falsehood too, in hadith that is.
Hmm yes you are talking about fabrication about prophet life style SUNNAH and Hadith that Khomainie added 40 more.
When we have a fresh baked bread why use the old and moldy one?People don?t blindly follow hadith to reject the Quran, they read hadith to try and verify the meaning of the Quran.
So God was wrong when authored several times
http//www.submission.org/quran/webqt.php?&indata=made+easy&t
or wheb indicated to prphet
Do not move your tongue to hasten it. It is we who will collect it into Quran. Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran., Then it is we who will explain it.
PIAD servants of ruling systems has established schools and teaching centers as done in previouse corupted religions to teach Quran as they like it in binifit of kings and rulers and when is not there change the meaning or Write hadith brain wash children from chilhood and fool mass naive nations to be as slave for FAT clergies and scholars send them to the front to kill each other by name of Allah and Quran!!!!!!!!!!
They are replacing God. ???Ok the Quran is the clear proof,
Did you understand the proof or only just by passing this stage and accept it blindly? 1736. 1039,
but what I find is people interpret things to their own wishes and whims. They make meanings from a verse which I necessarily don?t agree with, and that?s what turns me off this sort of community.
I agree with you for meaning. The best translation done is Rashad?s and may it have some deficiency which I usually in case of difficulty refer to my Farsi Rhymed .
Would you please tell me if you see anything wrong in this translationMuhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative 3144
My understanding human is fallible but words of God is infallible.
I find it too lenient in ways and portray the community as frail. It?s kinda like the general traditional Muslim, if they don?t hear the answer they want they argue and argue until someone agrees with them then they don?t feel so guilty pursuing their decisions. Or with traditionalist they just wait for some fatwa or some sheikh to agree with them. I know I?m generalizing but I see it a lot and it?s off putting.
I agree with you for such situation which is their hobbit in past and links to their learning prior to be a God Alone and some of Quran Alone too. Like those that converted to Islam from other religions and brought their habits and tradition into Islam by Hadith.
If music has a bad effect on people or totally distracts them on worship then I wouldn?t promote it, nor say it?s good.
When soldiers go to front to kill another human is by military music and medias play march music.
Music can be used for killing human or give love and peace like this.
http//ca.youtube.com/watch?v=cI6aTxrOeqINot all drugs are good, when addiction happens that?s a worry. Like I said before I don?t think music is bad, it?s when you use it for the wrong reasons or listen to the wrong thing when it?s not right.
I agree
No apology needed
Thank you
Peace.
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Peace everyone,
I also don't get the false verse claim. I'd really like to know more about it. Anyone direct me to where i can find out? There doesn't seem anything sus with those verses at all. Claiming that the quran contains false verses doesn't this contradict ALLAH when he says that the quran is divinely protected?
Yeah and welcome Bob... welcome Really enjoyed ur testimony.
You are right, God keeps his promises.
Protecting the Books has been, and always been God Alone Duty. He never asked any body's help. He never asked a prophet, a Messenger, an Angle, Elbukari, nor Rashad Kalifa; Simply because he knew that no body can do the job like him. As we all know, 1400 years ago, people started taking this duty, and the result is 70 groups within the Moslem Umah, whom have other books that were written by the people who wanted to protect God religion.
Today, another one wanted to help God to protect his book, and the result, he want us to take out the last two verses of chapter 9. And the result another group is added to the existed 70 groups.Leave the mission of protecting the Quran alone, or you will go astray. brickwall
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Asalamu alaikum
Just to clarify I wasn?t mocking.
The link you posted as you can see stated ?from a traditional perspective?. Maybe I was a bit harsh in my response I was just frustrated. Anyway.
The truth, I don?t know the truth. I don?t know the names of the people he married I don?t know anything all I know is what I?m told in the Quran and from sources that aren?t necessarily reputable. Though personally such things to me aren?t important, my life doesn?t revolve around how somebody else lived, but he is a prominent figure so I believe it?s important to take the good. I still believe that there definitely may be lots of truths in them and lots of falsehood too, in hadith that is.People don?t blindly follow hadith to reject the Quran, they read hadith to try and verify the meaning of the Quran.
Ok the Quran is the clear proof, but what I find is people interpret things to their own wishes and whims. They make meanings from a verse which I necessarily don?t agree with, and that?s what turns me off this sort of community. I find it too lenient in ways and portray the community as frail. It?s kinda like the general traditional Muslim, if they don?t hear the answer they want they argue and argue until someone agrees with them then they don?t feel so guilty pursuing their decisions. Or with traditionalist they just wait for some fatwa or some sheikh to agree with them. I know I?m generalizing but I see it a lot and it?s off putting.If music has a bad effect on people or totally distracts them on worship then I wouldn?t promote it, nor say it?s good. Not all drugs are good, when addiction happens that?s a worry. Like I said before I don?t think music is bad, it?s when you use it for the wrong reasons or listen to the wrong thing when it?s not right.
No apology needed )
Take care
Peace.
peace
Nothing is bad "harm", except what God declared in the Quran; I did not read that the music is harm, in the Quran.
The only one who has the authority to say haram "bad" about something is God Alone, and anybody dares to share that right with him, he made himself a God within God; and anybody follows him, he would be astray from the Straight Path.
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Asalamu alaikum
Brother Bahman
In relation to the link, I was meaning my post in the thread about polygamous marriages. I was frustrated with the questions and yes I was talking about Muhammed.
Hmm yes you are talking about fabrication about prophet life style SUNNAH and Hadith that Khomainie added 40 more.
When we have a fresh baked bread why use the old and moldy one?They weren't all by Khomainie's influence, unless we are reading his book of opinions, or the shia's perspectives. Bukhari is the predominant book, I?ve noticed actually not many shia?s mention hadith but rather whoever they follow his opinions and implement that in their practices. Sometimes we learn things from a moldy loaf of bread, bits of it are edible others not, you take the good and dismiss the bad.
I have a question for you or rather questions, do you understand the Quran? I don't mean as an underlying message but if I pin pointed a part would you be able to understand and explain? Do you think it's necessary or important to understand it all, or what is your opinion?
Some people?s logic and understanding is questionable, how do you judge your decision as being right? You just do what you feel best or right??
I understand the Quran is clear proof and is a miracle in itself. I don?t just accept blindly, I feel a connection and can see wisdom in it, besides I?ve searched perspectives and tried to understand ?life? and I?m contended with the Quran.
Muhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative 3144
My understanding human is fallible but words of God is infallible.
To further your understandings, I agree nothing wrong with that, but also God isn?t in need of us, we need him.
I agree with you for such situation which is their hobbit in past and links to their learning prior to be a God Alone and some of Quran Alone too. Like those that converted to Islam from other religions and brought their habits and tradition into Islam by Hadith.
It?s not just hadith that?s influencing people. Like you said habits it?s their brought up environment and cultural acceptance which people have maintained or adapted. Or desires people want to follow.
You see I think hadith is a comforter for people. Some things in the Quran are not black and white, it is a unique book in which was used throughout different centuries some things are not going to be specific as we may like. I believe bad music and addiction to it can be harmful, physiologically maybe even physically as you probably will affect your hearing anyway. The Quran doesn?t explicitly say that so my understanding of what belalhammad said is basically, the Quran doesn?t say it?s harmful so music is ok, without limits, this is what I call leniency which I despise.
Another thing bad doesn?t = haram. Bad means bad, haram means forbidding. In no way will I say it?s forbidden to listen to music, I have no authority or right to make such statements. So actually even the Quran is a comforter for people?s logic though I would say in my opinion it's not necessarily used justly.
You might all think I?m wacked and crazy with my logic but it?s ok I think I?m doing right and inshallah Allah will judge me, I hope that at least I may influence people to think positively and if people feel the need to redirect me than go for it.
Take care
Salam