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    Bahman
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    Dear Brother Bob Welcome
    In same day I was banned about same time you registered and praise be to God that nothing is coincidence.
    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16279.msg161451#msg161451
    I did not have chance to say welcome to
    Your first post shows how Miracle cause such confidence that after 25 years regenerates such confidence that you will leave this illusion with it.
    I believe in you as you have understood it completely as you have searched, study and examine it for correctness.
    When you sent me your data verification for ANM plus . it was exactly what I was looking .
    There was minor difficulty corrected and your excel work is published in separate sheets but accusable from any where.
    It may need some correct if has happened during transferring data.
    Your verification is added to this site relate to clip.

    Peace.

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      Wow, how awesome )

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        Bahman
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        Wow, how awesome )

        Peace
        How about MUSIC ? did you like it? or you follow what learned from your parent? )
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        Peace

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          SarahY
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          Peace Bahman,

          What about music? I don't mind some music. I mainly only listen to music when I exercise, I don't think its haram. Though music with foul course language or even with sexual reference in my opinion wouldn?t be halal.

          Isn't anasheed a form of singing, don't they use the daff instrument? Isn't that music? I think when one uses music to distract themself and let's it control their emotions and the way they act that's when it goes extreme.

          I follow things I have learnt from my parents and things I have learnt through experience. My parent's aren't against music so if that?s what you?re trying to allude to? I have my own views of life but I can?t openly express it all to them. I could, though it would cause trouble so I hold back. I?m not sure how this relates to the verse you have posted.

          Salam.

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            ayani
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            Sarah ~

            salam. i like music, too. i see no reason from the Quran why it should be haram. so long as the theme is not hateful, obscene, such things, i'm ok with it.

            i like the Avett Brothers, Bruce Springsteen, and nasheeds, too. i also come from a musical family- music is a gift from God, and we should use music in the right way.

            peace

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              Bahman
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              Peace Sarah
              Presence of ?ibelieve19? in this forum could be an excuse for me to be active here again.
              I am happy to see young generation like you spending your time on line for searching truth and fact.

              What about music? I don't mind some music. I mainly only listen to music when I exercise, I don't think its haram. Though music with foul course language or even with sexual reference in my opinion wouldn?t be halal.

              I think here is some misunderstanding resulted such response.
              When you wrote

              ?Wow, how awesome ?

              I was not sure is that a encouraging or is mocking. Because in this forum there many mockers that when they do not have enough reasonable response then they mock.

              If that is encouraging then please accept my apology, thank you sister and God Bless you.

              But in case of mocking then I had to do a little search of your other post you have responded I found this

              http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16251.msg166155#msg166155

              Defending prophet and trying to fix fabricated fair tale stories as history and traditions written ( Hadith) 200 years after prophet by people like Boukharaie far away from prophet place and none Arabic then I got such vision that you are Sunni or Shia which are not allowed to listen to music or have picture at their home.

              My response to people that blindly referring to Hadith to reject Quran is that
              Now we have Clear proof that Quran is authore by God Alone and is the ONLY source to be a Muslim ( submitter) 319 .
              What Mohammed did in his private life right or wrong could be buried with him. He was enough honest and trustworthy that God reveal his complete, detailed scripture which confirms all previous scriptures.
              The messages are designed for different time and location up to end of this world. Some belongs to past, some matches our era time and some are for future.

              I listen to music too and like those that words have good meaning and rhythm is relaxing. The music in background of clip is copied from this clip.

              http//ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz59BwDie08

              Music is like drug can be used to give relaxation to sicks as medication or can cause hyper ness and even violence same a knife in hand of a surgeon or in hand of a criminal.

              I follow things I have learnt from my parents and things I have learnt through experience. My parent's aren't against music so if that?s what you?re trying to allude to? I have my own views of life but I can?t openly express it all to them. I could, though it would cause trouble so I hold back. I?m not sure how this relates to the verse you have posted.

              Radical Mohammedans are against music and I am not sure what is your standing .
              I thought my be you are one of those people that before examine what is offered they reject it and may music cause they do not watch the clip carefully.
              That page takes you verses that are linked to file why Hadith is not right.
              I apologize again if I have been wrong about you and ask for forgiveness from God Alone.
              But finally may this could be an start knowing each other better.
              Peace.

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                Bahman
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                Peace.

                music is a gift from God,

                You are right sister.

                Psalm is singing and music which God clearly =]authored in Quran several times was given to David and here it says clearly Psalm AND the enlightening scripture

                If they reject you, messengers before you have been rejected, even though they brought proofs, the Psalms, and the enlightening scripture.
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                  SarahY
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                  Asalamu alaikum

                  Just to clarify I wasn?t mocking.

                  The link you posted as you can see stated ?from a traditional perspective?. Maybe I was a bit harsh in my response I was just frustrated. Anyway.
                  The truth, I don?t know the truth. I don?t know the names of the people he married I don?t know anything all I know is what I?m told in the Quran and from sources that aren?t necessarily reputable. Though personally such things to me aren?t important, my life doesn?t revolve around how somebody else lived, but he is a prominent figure so I believe it?s important to take the good. I still believe that there definitely may be lots of truths in them and lots of falsehood too, in hadith that is.

                  People don?t blindly follow hadith to reject the Quran, they read hadith to try and verify the meaning of the Quran.
                  Ok the Quran is the clear proof, but what I find is people interpret things to their own wishes and whims. They make meanings from a verse which I necessarily don?t agree with, and that?s what turns me off this sort of community. I find it too lenient in ways and portray the community as frail. It?s kinda like the general traditional Muslim, if they don?t hear the answer they want they argue and argue until someone agrees with them then they don?t feel so guilty pursuing their decisions. Or with traditionalist they just wait for some fatwa or some sheikh to agree with them. I know I?m generalizing but I see it a lot and it?s off putting.

                  If music has a bad effect on people or totally distracts them on worship then I wouldn?t promote it, nor say it?s good. Not all drugs are good, when addiction happens that?s a worry. Like I said before I don?t think music is bad, it?s when you use it for the wrong reasons or listen to the wrong thing when it?s not right.

                  No apology needed

                  Take care

                  Peace.

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                    Alen
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                    Peace,
                    Respectfully.

                    welcome to the forum brother and i hop you make lots of friends here, God willing.
                    Keep reading the Qur'an and also pay special attention to the verse in the Qur'an (sorry, i forgot which verse in which chapter) where God The Most Wise, tells us this"No falsehood can enter it in the past nor in the future."

                    Also"Today i have perfected your religion." Today, obviously means back then.

                    May Allah SWT bless you and i wish you all the luck, brother.
                    Welcome to the forum and keep researching.

                    Peace.

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                      Bahman
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                      Peace

                      The link you posted as you can see stated ?from a traditional perspective?.

                      You mean this link ?
                      http//creatorsignature.com/
                      I would appreciate pin point ?from a traditional perspective?.

                      Maybe I was a bit harsh in my response I was just frustrated.

                      Where you frustrated from site content. ? or something else. ?

                      Anyway. The truth, I don?t know the truth. I don?t know the names of the people he married I don?t know anything all I know is what I?m told in the Quran and from sources that aren?t necessarily reputable.
                      Who married?

                      Though personally such things to me aren?t important, my life doesn?t revolve around how somebody else lived, but he is a prominent figure so I believe it?s important to take the good.

                      Are you talking about prophet Muhammad ?

                      I still believe that there definitely may be lots of truths in them and lots of falsehood too, in hadith that is.

                      Hmm yes you are talking about fabrication about prophet life style SUNNAH and Hadith that Khomainie added 40 more.
                      When we have a fresh baked bread why use the old and moldy one?

                      People don?t blindly follow hadith to reject the Quran, they read hadith to try and verify the meaning of the Quran.

                      So God was wrong when authored several times
                      http//www.submission.org/quran/webqt.php?&indata=made+easy&t
                      or wheb indicated to prphet
                      Do not move your tongue to hasten it. It is we who will collect it into Quran. Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran., Then it is we who will explain it.
                      PIAD servants of ruling systems has established schools and teaching centers as done in previouse corupted religions to teach Quran as they like it in binifit of kings and rulers and when is not there change the meaning or Write hadith brain wash children from chilhood and fool mass naive nations to be as slave for FAT clergies and scholars send them to the front to kill each other by name of Allah and Quran!!!!!!!!!!
                      They are replacing God. ???

                      Ok the Quran is the clear proof,

                      Did you understand the proof or only just by passing this stage and accept it blindly? 1736. 1039,

                      but what I find is people interpret things to their own wishes and whims. They make meanings from a verse which I necessarily don?t agree with, and that?s what turns me off this sort of community.

                      I agree with you for meaning. The best translation done is Rashad?s and may it have some deficiency which I usually in case of difficulty refer to my Farsi Rhymed .
                      Would you please tell me if you see anything wrong in this translation

                      Muhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative 3144

                      My understanding human is fallible but words of God is infallible.

                      I find it too lenient in ways and portray the community as frail. It?s kinda like the general traditional Muslim, if they don?t hear the answer they want they argue and argue until someone agrees with them then they don?t feel so guilty pursuing their decisions. Or with traditionalist they just wait for some fatwa or some sheikh to agree with them. I know I?m generalizing but I see it a lot and it?s off putting.

                      I agree with you for such situation which is their hobbit in past and links to their learning prior to be a God Alone and some of Quran Alone too. Like those that converted to Islam from other religions and brought their habits and tradition into Islam by Hadith.

                      If music has a bad effect on people or totally distracts them on worship then I wouldn?t promote it, nor say it?s good.
                      When soldiers go to front to kill another human is by military music and medias play march music.
                      Music can be used for killing human or give love and peace like this.
                      http//ca.youtube.com/watch?v=cI6aTxrOeqI

                      Not all drugs are good, when addiction happens that?s a worry. Like I said before I don?t think music is bad, it?s when you use it for the wrong reasons or listen to the wrong thing when it?s not right.

                      I agree

                      No apology needed

                      Thank you

                      Peace.

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                        belH
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                        Peace everyone,

                        I also don't get the false verse claim. I'd really like to know more about it. Anyone direct me to where i can find out? There doesn't seem anything sus with those verses at all. Claiming that the quran contains false verses doesn't this contradict ALLAH when he says that the quran is divinely protected?

                        Yeah and welcome Bob... welcome Really enjoyed ur testimony.

                        You are right, God keeps his promises.
                        Protecting the Books has been, and always been God Alone Duty. He never asked any body's help. He never asked a prophet, a Messenger, an Angle, Elbukari, nor Rashad Kalifa; Simply because he knew that no body can do the job like him. As we all know, 1400 years ago, people started taking this duty, and the result is 70 groups within the Moslem Umah, whom have other books that were written by the people who wanted to protect God religion.
                        Today, another one wanted to help God to protect his book, and the result, he want us to take out the last two verses of chapter 9. And the result another group is added to the existed 70 groups.

                        Leave the mission of protecting the Quran alone, or you will go astray. brickwall
                        Good Bless. peace

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                          belH
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                          I'm sorry I forgot to say
                          welcome

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                            belH
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                            Asalamu alaikum

                            Just to clarify I wasn?t mocking.

                            The link you posted as you can see stated ?from a traditional perspective?. Maybe I was a bit harsh in my response I was just frustrated. Anyway.
                            The truth, I don?t know the truth. I don?t know the names of the people he married I don?t know anything all I know is what I?m told in the Quran and from sources that aren?t necessarily reputable. Though personally such things to me aren?t important, my life doesn?t revolve around how somebody else lived, but he is a prominent figure so I believe it?s important to take the good. I still believe that there definitely may be lots of truths in them and lots of falsehood too, in hadith that is.

                            People don?t blindly follow hadith to reject the Quran, they read hadith to try and verify the meaning of the Quran.
                            Ok the Quran is the clear proof, but what I find is people interpret things to their own wishes and whims. They make meanings from a verse which I necessarily don?t agree with, and that?s what turns me off this sort of community. I find it too lenient in ways and portray the community as frail. It?s kinda like the general traditional Muslim, if they don?t hear the answer they want they argue and argue until someone agrees with them then they don?t feel so guilty pursuing their decisions. Or with traditionalist they just wait for some fatwa or some sheikh to agree with them. I know I?m generalizing but I see it a lot and it?s off putting.

                            If music has a bad effect on people or totally distracts them on worship then I wouldn?t promote it, nor say it?s good. Not all drugs are good, when addiction happens that?s a worry. Like I said before I don?t think music is bad, it?s when you use it for the wrong reasons or listen to the wrong thing when it?s not right.

                            No apology needed )

                            Take care

                            Peace.

                            peace
                            Nothing is bad "harm", except what God declared in the Quran; I did not read that the music is harm, in the Quran.
                            The only one who has the authority to say haram "bad" about something is God Alone, and anybody dares to share that right with him, he made himself a God within God; and anybody follows him, he would be astray from the Straight Path.
                            tempt

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                              SarahY
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                              Asalamu alaikum

                              Brother Bahman

                              In relation to the link, I was meaning my post in the thread about polygamous marriages. I was frustrated with the questions and yes I was talking about Muhammed.

                              Hmm yes you are talking about fabrication about prophet life style SUNNAH and Hadith that Khomainie added 40 more.
                              When we have a fresh baked bread why use the old and moldy one?

                              They weren't all by Khomainie's influence, unless we are reading his book of opinions, or the shia's perspectives. Bukhari is the predominant book, I?ve noticed actually not many shia?s mention hadith but rather whoever they follow his opinions and implement that in their practices. Sometimes we learn things from a moldy loaf of bread, bits of it are edible others not, you take the good and dismiss the bad.

                              I have a question for you or rather questions, do you understand the Quran? I don't mean as an underlying message but if I pin pointed a part would you be able to understand and explain? Do you think it's necessary or important to understand it all, or what is your opinion?

                              Some people?s logic and understanding is questionable, how do you judge your decision as being right? You just do what you feel best or right??

                              I understand the Quran is clear proof and is a miracle in itself. I don?t just accept blindly, I feel a connection and can see wisdom in it, besides I?ve searched perspectives and tried to understand ?life? and I?m contended with the Quran.

                              Muhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative 3144

                              My understanding human is fallible but words of God is infallible.

                              To further your understandings, I agree nothing wrong with that, but also God isn?t in need of us, we need him.

                              I agree with you for such situation which is their hobbit in past and links to their learning prior to be a God Alone and some of Quran Alone too. Like those that converted to Islam from other religions and brought their habits and tradition into Islam by Hadith.

                              It?s not just hadith that?s influencing people. Like you said habits it?s their brought up environment and cultural acceptance which people have maintained or adapted. Or desires people want to follow.

                              You see I think hadith is a comforter for people. Some things in the Quran are not black and white, it is a unique book in which was used throughout different centuries some things are not going to be specific as we may like. I believe bad music and addiction to it can be harmful, physiologically maybe even physically as you probably will affect your hearing anyway. The Quran doesn?t explicitly say that so my understanding of what belalhammad said is basically, the Quran doesn?t say it?s harmful so music is ok, without limits, this is what I call leniency which I despise.

                              Another thing bad doesn?t = haram. Bad means bad, haram means forbidding. In no way will I say it?s forbidden to listen to music, I have no authority or right to make such statements. So actually even the Quran is a comforter for people?s logic though I would say in my opinion it's not necessarily used justly.

                              You might all think I?m wacked and crazy with my logic but it?s ok I think I?m doing right and inshallah Allah will judge me, I hope that at least I may influence people to think positively and if people feel the need to redirect me than go for it.

                              Take care

                              Salam

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                                Bahman
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                                Peace sister Sarah.

                                My 29th Canadian winter which was coldest is over, trees start giving buds and my cat already delivered 9 lives. Lot of physical work to be done and time for seeing sun and enjoy it is short . My on line activities in summer goes half and rarely I involve in discussions unless be a new one. Time is precious specially for me that I am at the end of this one way street.
                                I would like to answer your question line byline but ise that such discussion has been repeated here and there many times and if you search my posts, site, etc which you can reach from this site you may find your answers.

                                But generally I am lucky I was not raised like many by my parents belief and then I have no problem easily tell you that I am going for traditional Salat or other Hadith content. The only source for me is Quran . I read Quran as understand it from different angles not for finding stone building called Quibleh or how to make Tavaf . I read Quran based on 262 and part matched my location ad time. Quran is revealed for all generations to the end of world.
                                If Taliban and Bin Laden want to consider their women half of man ad even less due to verse for signing 2 women for one man signing contract may they are right as their women are living same as 1400 years ago no education and do not know anything about business but I can not well educated women running government and educational firms to sign bank approval for loan which is based on credit check. There are many verse that belong to past or to location which human have been left with no education.
                                Quran amy be Miracle for those that know good Arabic and as has been claimed there puddings in Arabic phrases that can not be translated and it loose its deepness like Persian rhymes of Khayam, Hafez, Sa?Adi ,Molowi. and others. Many verse are repentance of older scripture as God authored in older scripture which is not hided and God authored many times that Quran is competition and confirming all previouse scripture.
                                If Arabic high level rhymed of Quran makes you believe that it is work of God hence Muhammad did not have such knowledge nothing wrong with that if you know good Arabic. But for me and another 7 billion habitant of earth is not easy to find difference between Quan and this one.

                                Then Quran has no place more than older scriptures without proof or you proof which is good only for those have well Arabic knowledge.

                                For example discovery of speed of light in Quran is base on verse that exist in Pslam too.
                                http//19.org/forum/index.php/mv/msg/7099/46949/0/#msg_46951

                                Understanding Quran with no Arabic knowledge is easy as we are tech era and getting far from poems and rhymes which has been a miracle for its time and location. This screen connects earth habitant in seconds and God knew this and revealed the Miracle at the time when first PC was in market 1974 challenging our knowledge . This miracle is completely different from past Miracles which required only sight and hearing. You need to know how to do simple arithmetic functions and obvious to all people around the world any time for examining and checking. You can witness it personally and see greatness of God.
                                All you need is heart free of prejudices and cutting off totally from your parent idolized belief.
                                You and God no clergy no middle man and read Quran carefully and with no rush as it was revealed in 23 years. Wrap-up your ancestors writing all and keep them in museum our children see how the human has gone through darkness due to greed and desire of ruling system which mad an slave from human to follow Satan under name of God killing each other be using name of God.
                                I will learner all my life to understand Quran brightly and intellectuality according to 262

                                Another sunny day and lot of things to be done inside and outside.

                                Visit my new site and you find out how I understand Quarn by links available.

                                Peace

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                                  Peace brother Bahman,

                                  Off course time is precious, there is an Arabic proverb that says time is like like a sword if you don't use it properly it can cut you. Anyway inshallah I'll have a look at the links you've got a little later, I have some things I need to complete but I thought I'd quickly reply to some thigns you said.

                                  262 is a lovely verse that rids anxiety away makes one feel in a state of sakina, meaning calm/happy/no grieve etc. It's just peoples opinions of righteous deeds possibly makes one competitive and labeling other actions as wrong/right.

                                  You said something I found well interesting because my understanding is, it came from hadith..

                                  You and God no clergy no middle man and read Quran carefully and with no rush as it was revealed in 23 years.

                                  Although I agree rush isn't necessary )

                                  Culture and society have a bad influence, and it can impact negatively upon your practices. Maybe if you have easy going understanding parents it's easier. Being a male in my culture would be easier in my opinion. I tend to feel parents take advantage of their rights claiming their children are to be obedient to them and that their blessings are vital which restricts a person of their wants.

                                  In Afghanistan, the women there were more educated than men before the war.. there were so many women doctors than men, but i guess everyone sees views. I understand what your coming from, some things are definitely extreme but anyway I'm not living there so I can't judge or say much.

                                  Anyway, inshallah I'll have a look at the links you have posted another time.

                                  Well take care, and enjoy your summer times ) I respect your priorities

                                  Asalamu alaikum

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                                    Peace sister Sarah

                                    Today was rainy and gave more time to be on this screen. Responding to you was one of my priorities to explain more bout my post.
                                    I never attempted to degrade Afghanis or their women. I like them like all people in world regardless skin color, language or dress code ( if is not religious.) . The reason for indicating Afghan women was due to so many news on media about women situarion in there which is same in all Mohammedans territories. In any of these societies there are many educated females but compare to population they are in minority and they are divided into fraction over their freedom in Quran. There are many thinking like Queen Rania and others like their brothers in this screen defending Hadith or arguing that verses belonged to time and location be used all the everywhere.
                                    Look what happened to Benazere Buto and just few days ago was in news that Shirin Ebadi Peace Noble Prize winner has been threatened to death.
                                    May females are in Jail in Iran and several were assonated due to their rejection of Shania which is based on Hadith not Quran.
                                    Oppression of female in Mohammedans ruled territories is known worldwide and unfortunately is known as Islam when are abusing name of Quran.
                                    They kill each other when either side are well educated and believe in Quran but by assistant of Hadith which has caused such mess bloodshed.
                                    Enemies of Quran knowingly and willingly relate all these crimes and voidance to Quran.
                                    Education can assist person to process intellectuality if the person can crack the childhood brainwashing.
                                    For example Ahmadinejad claims has phd and president of over 70 million people is expecting 12th Imam which was disappeared at age 5 in Sammerah Iraq to reappear close by Qum to save world and of curse need a translator as he is Arab.
                                    Such claim nulls all his right words abou today world which is parroting from older pioneers and hot air when nobody lateens.
                                    Now there are several educated women in many position of this sectarian regime which are brain washed like their boss and their serving is as support of such tyrannous and violent ruling system.
                                    Peace

                                    Peace

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                                      Peace be upon you Bahman,

                                      Compared to the scale of population yes they are a minority, minorities are easily targeted, and look what happened to them. Its a shame you dont see anyone standing up against these atrocities. Wheres the human rights and other activists, busy worrying about animals rather than their own kind, or oblivious to the realities. I dont know about you but just looking at my own country I feel I am a minority as a Muslim, and I am targeted and feel my community is useless and somewhat dysfunctional. Which is sad.

                                      I believe the oppression is due to ignorance, women have rights its just about them vocalizing them. Men can try and oppress due to their gender or desires, but really I believe it links down to culture, hadith has some influence but I reckon its mainly cultural practices.

                                      The killing is from stupidity, pride ignorance and evil plotting. Hadith doesnt support them to kill each other. Even if it did support it, as far as I know every traditional Muslim knows starting war is the most hated thing, killing your own brother in religion is like killing yourself. Even there is a hadith that says if you kill one man it is like you have killed the nation and if you save one man it is like you saved the nation. They kill each other because they're ignorant and use emotions over logic.

                                      Sometimes people take things out of context and interpret things to their wishes plus with media portraying things the way it wishes, usually negatively it scares people about Islam and can give false images.

                                      People expect the imam Mahdi to come back, people also expect Issa (Jesus) to come back.

                                      People support a system unknowingly sometimes. Not realizing the faults. Or sometimes forcefully to conceal their identity from vilifications they might get. No one likes to be targeted especially with little or no support.

                                      BTW I think peoples belief that the traditional perspective of hijab is wrong gives them justifications to dress as they desire, which isnt necessarily right or modest. Todays definition of modesty has adapted, I wouldnt necessarily say it is modest. But social acceptance of things makes things ok. This is another thing peoples leniency/desire/weakness whatever can cause them to say Im going to dress like that hijab isnt necessarily. But the thing is hijab is in the Quran it is necessary, it is part of Islam you may choose not to wear a headscarf, fine but your dress code is your hijab, abide by it.

                                      I wear a scarf by choice, I dont believe it is wrong.

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                                        Peace sister Sarah

                                        Compared to the scale of population yes they are a minority, minorities are easily targeted, and look what happened to them. It?s a shame you don?t see anyone standing up against these atrocities. Where?s the human rights and other activists, busy worrying about animals rather than their own kind, or oblivious to the realities. I don?t know about you but just looking at my own country I feel I am a minority as a Muslim, and I am targeted and feel my community is useless and somewhat dysfunctional. Which is sad.

                                        I do not blame those socities reaction when Mohammedans are known as Muslim when they are not.
                                        Do you like such incidents and many others like that be exoported to your calm and peaceful society by the name of Islam?
                                        Do you not pay attention to animals rather such people which are following conjecture and poisoning societies. ?
                                        I was talking about women right in Mohammedans territories not those that are brain washed with their parent?s belief and introducing their own fabrication as Islam.

                                        The killing is from stupidity, pride ignorance and evil plotting. Hadith doesn?t support them to kill each other. Even if it did support it, as far as I know every traditional Muslim knows starting war is the most hated thing, killing your own brother in religion is like killing yourself. Even there is a hadith that says if you kill one man it is like you have killed the nation and if you save one man it is like you saved the nation. They kill each other because they're ignorant and use emotions over logic.

                                        But this killing is not new started with killing Ali and genocide all his family by due to feud over Ali rejecting adding 128 129 to chapter 9. At this era with our access to all kind of media an news reporting they lie to us and after many years we find the truth behind the news. Now how we expect from history recorded by paid clergies and historian the servants of rulers and kings change it to fight over Khilafat of Ali. I do not blame those masses of misinformed and brainwashed to follow clergies and scholars blindly but those well educated Men ans Women supporting such corruption and follow what clearly fabricated lies.. Of course they have no choice even agrre because they will be killed by their own people that have brain washed them for centuries with lies.
                                        The source of all these difficulties is base on those Hadith .

                                        Sometimes people take things out of context and interpret things to their wishes plus with media portraying things the way it wishes, usually negatively it scares people about Islam and can give false images.

                                        Exactly and these wrong interpretation is due to their Hadith. Just look at most famouse Mohammedan translator Yusef Ali and others with his belief how changed name of DOG to animal avoiding conflict to Hadith ;

                                        ?have taught your trained hunting animals?

                                        http//www.answering-islam.org/Silas/dogs.htm#_Toc158088969

                                        People expect the imam Mahdi to come back, people also expect Issa (Jesus) to come back.

                                        Where in Quran such thing is authored?

                                        People support a system unknowingly sometimes. Not realizing the faults. Or sometimes forcefully to conceal their identity from vilifications they might get. No one likes to be targeted especially with little or no support
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                                        You may explain this part more please.

                                        But the thing is hijab is in the Quran it is necessary,

                                        Not such thing in Quran

                                        Did you read Queen Rania article then tell us where you find flaw?

                                        it is part of Islam

                                        No is not . Islam is submission to God Alone .and there is no verse for wearing Hejab .

                                        you may choose not to wear a headscarf, fine but your dress code is your hijab, abide by it.
                                        Are you sure Hijab= Dress code and where in Quran says such thing.
                                        I remember that God says when Adam and Eve got visible they used tree leaves to cover their sexual parts not HEAD.

                                        I wear a scarf by choice,

                                        No you do not have any choice. They put it on your head since childhood and you are used to it . You feel uncomfortable removing it and even try to do so you may make those put on head be mad and angry of you.

                                        I don?t believe it is wrong.

                                        We do many things right and we think is right but time and expreinces shows that we were wrong.
                                        No it is not wrong but is wrong if you want show as religous law and connect to Quran when there is no such thing.
                                        Peace.

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                                          No one likes negative things.

                                          You kind of lost me, but don?t worry.

                                          Sigh, code 19 I?m not sure about that. Me and maths don?t work well it sounds plausible but I have uncertainties, but I won?t go there.

                                          I didn?t say Mahdi is authored nor Issa, just mentioned it.

                                          ?People support a system unknowingly sometimes. Not realizing the faults. Or sometimes forcefully to conceal their identity from vilifications they might get. No one likes to be targeted especially with little or no support?

                                          People tend to do what they are brought up in, they are comforted into a system so they just do it. They blind follow traditional ways not realizing the faults not questioning because they think research has been done just accept the facts. Or society does things which may be perceived as normal so if you?re participating in the events thinking it?s a normal everyday thing then you could possible support a system of values/beliefs without realizing.

                                          Sometimes people can?t open up about their beliefs. I wouldn?t towards my family even friends because they would act emotional and very badly. To secure my safety I say nothing. Besides I personally know of no one (in person) who agrees with me, or isn?t in favor of hadith. No one. Don?t you think that is sad, how do I support my views with the world against me? So I?d rather conceal and stay quiet.

                                          I believe the word ?hijab? is in the Quran even Rania says it?s in the Quran 7 times. Veiling in an appropriate way is necessary, that may not mean or include head cover. I guess my culture does have influence hijab is more of a barrier or screen, but I was meaning khimar.

                                          Hijab doesn?t = dress code, but khimar would have relation to clothing. I was actually told against wearing a scarf, and yes I am used to wearing it and I would feel uncomfortable without it. Though possibly I?d eventually get used to without it. I personally believe it is a form of modesty, which is ok in my logic.

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