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why does the translation of salaat change ever so often???

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  • WakasW Offline
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    Wakas
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    One downside of online translations is there is no list of changes, and reason given for change when changed, which is what I proposed long time ago.

    Remember free-minds is NOT a cult/sect with the same views, so any reference to group think is irrelevant. Questions should be addressed to the person in charge of the translation, which is Layth.

    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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      Tay
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      Peace,

      Remember free-minds is NOT a cult/sect with the same views, so any reference to group think is irrelevant. Questions should be addressed to the person in charge of the translation, which is Layth.

      You beat me to it.
      That first sentence should be in every thread and at the bottom of every post as it just doesn't seem to get through to some. No offense.

      peace

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        drfazl
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        Language is the bursting out of the fountain of information springing up in the hearts. Then what is uttered is the tip of the iceberg that spills from the tip of the tongue; and what you spell is the word, then the words and then into sentences. So we must have the heart to understand the wholesomeness of the heart; and this is the real communication. But sadly enough we embark on the man made language with the grammar usages and so on and so forth. For eg., the word 'prayer' is still haunting the entire populace from the time man was created. Except man all other creations are doing their prayers as Allah had conducted them for, man has taken other than Allah's to teach and conduct him in His prayers.

        For 1500 years you do not know what prayer is; and we will never know what prayer is! Turn to Allah and lead your life fearing your conscience and stay in righteousness! And before long you will know for sure that this is the only prayer Allah is definitely pleased with. It is time we stopped even discussing what prayer is and involve in action rather than involving in debates as to how to act a prayer out.

        To every one We taught them the prayer which they observe, therefore they should not dispute with you about the matter and call to your Lord; most surely you are on a right way.

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          Al-Quran_only
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          Language is the bursting out of the fountain of information springing up in the hearts. Then what is uttered is the tip of the iceberg that spills from the tip of the tongue; and what you spell is the word, then the words and then into sentences. So we must have the heart to understand the wholesomeness of the heart; and this is the real communication. But sadly enough we embark on the man made language with the grammar usages and so on and so forth. For eg., the word 'prayer' is still haunting the entire populace from the time man was created. Except man all other creations are doing their prayers as Allah had conducted them for, man has taken other than Allah's to teach and conduct him in His prayers.

          For 1500 years you do not know what prayer is; and we will never know what prayer is!

          For 1500 years you do not know what prayer is; and we will never know what prayer is

          413
          (413) a Book whose verses are well-expounded, an Arabic Qur'an for those who have knowledge,

          For 1500 years you do not know what prayer is; and we will never know what prayer is

          122

          (122) We have sent it down as Qur'an *1 in Arabic so that you (Arabs) may understand it well.

          For 1500 years you do not know what prayer is; and we will never know what prayer is

          26195

          (26195) in plain Arabic languag

          For 1500 years you do not know what prayer is; and we will never know what prayer is

          16103

          (16103) We know very well what they say about you "Surely a certain person teaches him. " *107 But the person to whom they allude speaks a foreign tongue, and this (Qur'an) is in plain Arabic

          For 1500 years you do not know what prayer is; and we will never know what prayer is

          144

          (144) Whenever We sent a Messenger' to convey Our Message, he delivered it in the language of his people so that he may make it plain to them. *5 Then Allah lets go astray whomsoever He wills and shows Guidance to whomsoever He desires *6 `He is All-Powerful, All-Wise.

          Only one group cannot understand Quranic message and that is

          27
          (27) Allah has sealed up their hearts and ears and a covering has fallen over their eyes, *10 and they have incurred the severest punishment.

          28
          (2 Then there are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day", whereas they do not believe at all.

          29
          (29) They thus try to deceive Allah and the Believers, but they succeed in deceiving none except themselves and they realize it not

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            Jack
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            Peace,

            Why is that a bad thing?

            An honest, truth-seeking person will change his mind ever so often. Who believes the same thing from cradle to grave?

            No, salat doesn't translate as "prayer".

            Dua is prayer.

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              Al-Quran_only
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              Peace,

              Why is that a bad thing?

              An honest, truth-seeking person will change his mind ever so often. Who believes the same thing from cradle to grave?

              No, salat doesn't translate as "prayer".

              Dua is prayer.

              You want to say that "prophets have been changing their minds very often about tauheed" .Because that was the most honest truth seeking group.

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                Layth
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                Salam,

                I agree with House M.D. on this one.

                People who seek truth will continue to change their mind each time they come accross more information.

                Case in point Abraham (the father of prophets) began with the premise that his people were misguided...then he researched/thought and determined that a certain shining planet was god...then he researched/thought and determined that the moon was god...then he researched/thought and determined that the sun was god...then, finally, he found the truth, that God was the One who initiated all these things and He is above them all (674-79)

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                  drfazl
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                  (122) We have sent it down as Qur'an *1 in Arabic so that you (Arabs) may understand it well.
                  (26195) in plain Arabic languag
                  (16103) and this (Qur'an) is in plain Arabic
                  Only one group cannot understand Quranic message and that is

                  Very well said; Quran is for arabs alone
                  Quran is for the people of the worlds; none but the pure can even ever touch Quran; Allah alone knows the real meaning of quranic verses; it is He alone can conduct you in the straight path through the Guidance, alQuran
                  Which of the above is true? say with evidence from the ayats

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                    Al-Quran_only
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                    Very well said; Quran is for arabs alone

                    provide the evidence/proof for your claim.

                    Allah alone knows the real meaning of quranic verses;

                    Again proof/evidence rquested.

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                      Wakas
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                      I noticed another change to "commune", e.g.

                      1071 Have you seen him who is denying IN the system?
                      1072 It is the one who mistreats the orphan,
                      1073 And does not encourage the feeding of the poor.
                      1074 So woe to those who commune,
                      1075 But to? their communion they are absent minded.
                      1076 They only want to be seen,
                      1077 And they withhold from far-reaching deeds.

                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                        God_Within
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                        Peace be upon you,

                        For the record I have salaat as "programming" for all occurences

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