Adam, Eve, Noah and Evolution
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Peace.
First we all need to understand that time is irrelevant to GOD. So, if we see a million years go by .... how much time does GOD see go by?? NONE. We are under trial and thus we see "our" time pass from our "perspective". GOD created time just like everything else. When Adam and Eve were in the Garden where they eventually ate of the tree forbidden ...... it was not on this planet ... it was in the Garden of Paradise. We have all been alive once before and due to Adam and Eve's failure we are now being tested .... each one of us. Adam is our Father. The creation on this planet evolved over whatever time we are made to perceive by the signs left by GOD on the planet and the layerings of the earth. Noah and those before him lived up to a thousand years ... go to the Torah and the Quran ... both these books state that Noah lived 950 years on this earth .....
The generations before us were stronger, taller, had more intellect and lived longer lives ... look at the signs left of them .... we still can't figure out how they made the structures thousands of years ago, which we can barley make now with all our "technology". Look at the buildings carved out of the side of mountains in Petra ..... how did they do that?? when we can't even do that today??
What has happened in the past is not known to us clearly .... we can't even get the last 50 years right ... and we read books written by men ...... when the three books of GOD, Torah, Bible and Quran reside with us to confirm what happened and what will happen.
Man disputes everything he does not understand .. those that "understand" a bigger picture are called fools and mad. We will all die and we will all see then .... but then will be too late if we haven't seen with our hearts already.
Peace
I agree with what you are saying but we did not have a life before this. Adam was created once then he died, he will be raised again. We were created once and we will die and rise again. There was no previous life before for mankind ie living in the Garden. I quote
"They will say, 'Our Lord, twice You have caused us to be lifeless and twice You have brought us to life. Now we recognize our sins. Is there any way out?'"
We were lifeless when we didn't exist (ie werent born) and will be lifeless when we expire on this Earth. We were brought to life once when we were born (including Adam instead he was created from dust not sperm), and we will be brought to life again on the Day of Reckoning. That's all.
Truth_Seeker, as for Noah's Ark, if you are doubtful about this, then why are you not doubtful about Jesus' & Moses' miracles or the Jinn being sub-servient to David and Solomon? Surely these are more far-fetched? God does as he wills, just like we are the only planet with life on as we know, this is by God's will, even though it is incredible and awesome to us, this is the will of God just as is fitting pairs of every species on an Ark may seem incredible and awesome to us. I believe it happened, I believe everything in the Qur'an happened because God is Almighty.
I think Adam is not a parable but the truth, it gives the reason for our existence on this Earth as a test. The reason why the Jinn, Iblis is deceiving many of us to disbelieve and the origin of man. When I think of man I do not think of cavemen or neanderthals. I think Adam was a man like us (obviously his intellect was lower, but we as humans progress in intelligence and science, look at the world today and 200 years ago) and he was able to memorize the names of all the God's creation. This isn't a hard thing to comprehend. He was the first MAN akin to us, but I believe there were cavemen and neanderthals before him but they were wiped out were'nt they? God said himself if he so willed he could remove us from the Earth and set up a new creation as Guardians of the Earth. Cavemen and homo-beings before us were different creatures to us, we didnt evolve from them, Adam was created separately in the Garden as the new Man, "Eve" (who cares about the name we all know what its referring to) was the partner of Adam to live with in peace and love. They later disobeyed God and were sent to Earth is my understanding.
Peacee
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527 And read/recite on them (the) information/news (of) Adam's two sons with the truth, when they approached/neared an approachment to God (an offering), so (it) was accepted from one of them and was not (to) be accepted from the other, he said "I will kill you." He said "But, God accepts from the fearing and obeying."
Is above allegoric of human conflict and at which point is Adam ? the consciousness of understanding right and wrong ?I will kill you? which does not exist in animal kingdom?
Who woulda thunkit!
The We Persona who created aliens!
Let us (i.e. me) reason we are friends I you? ;D
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Abrahamic faith is full of examples of whole people or cities, places who got washed away or got destroyed.
When people seems to reach a level of transgression, God finds a way.
And it is no wonder, because these people hate themselves anyway.
And in the gay, I often see a tormented insecure satan who hates himself.
And the angels bow to mankind.
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In Paradise? confused
Yea, c'mon read your Qur'an. They were in the Garden, Iblis tempted them to eat the fruit and they knew their "nakedness", therefore they disobeyed God, who said do not eat from the tree. When they did he told them to get out and Adam and Eve were enemies with Iblis from that point on...The True believers will return to this Garden.
Here's the story in short
"'I swear I shall fill Hell with you and all who follow you! But you and your wife, Adam, live in the Garden. Both of you eat whatever you like, but do not go near this tree or you will become wrongdoers.'"
718-19"he lured them with lies. Their nakedness became exposed to them when they had eaten from the tree they began to put together leaves from the Garden to cover themselves."
722"They replied, 'Our Lord, we have wronged our souls if You do not forgive us and have mercy, we shall be lost.' He said, 'All of you get out! You are each other's enemies. On Earth you will have a place to stay and livelihood - for a time.' He said, 'There you will live' There you will die'; from there you will be brought out.'"
723-25Its quite clear here that they were in Paradise no? If not then read The Heights (sura 7) from your Qur'an.
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Iblis too was in "paradise" ?
Do you mind God breaking His own rules?
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Iblis too was in "paradise" o?
Iblis is the deceiver, he deceives all mankind to make their sins and evil appear alluring to us. That doesn't mean he is here on earth. Jinn exist somewhere else and are able to communicate with us, or on the other hand they are unseen on this earth at the moment. It's not far fetched that a Jinn could tempt Adam from outside of paradise. And NO i didnt say he was in paradise, just read the Qur'an before acting confused. God banished Iblis from Paradise, Iblis can tempt people without actually being where they are (don't ask me how God has knowledge of all things). He tempted Adam and his Wife to eat from the forbidden fruit. That is not breaking God's rules. Stop making things contradictory, there are no contradictions, just read the Qur'an.
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Well, you see, 'The Garden' doesn't necessarily mean it's located in the spiritual realm of God. The word 'Jannah' in the Qur'an is used for earthly gardens too.
I suggest T.O. Shanavas' book, Creation/Evolution, for more on this matter.
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Well, you see, 'The Garden' doesn't necessarily mean it's located in the spiritual realm of God. The word 'Jannah' in the Qur'an is used for earthly gardens too.
I suggest T.O. Shanavas' book, Creation/Evolution, for more on this matter.
I see, but do you think Adam was created in Paradise? It's quite easy to discern when talks about Adam and his descendants finding livelihood on Earth. He would only talk about Earth if it was different from the Garden. I believe Adam was in THE Garden.
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Peace,
Respectfully.You talk about something you know.
But why do you tlak about something you d not know.I forgot which chapter carries this verse but one of you will remember, God willing.
Some of you here has gone off topic.I didn't like the comments where Noah's ark is mentioned as a UFO.
We have to glorify God.
Glory be to God, The Most Merciful.
Exalted God Most Merciful forgives a lot.Peace.
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You talk about something you know.
But why do you tlak about something you d not know.733 Say ?My Lord has forbidden all lewd action, what is obvious from them and what is subtle, and sin, and aggression without cause, and that you set up partners with God that which He has never authorized, and that you say about God what you do not know.?
There are many verses that warn people who say what they do not know.