I need help in Verse 7-176
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Peace Belalhammad
The antichrist is a myth...
The Rise of Imam Mahdi towards the Last Days
The hadith about the coming of the Mahdi to save mankind from the tribulations of the Dajjal or Anti-Christ towards the end of the world is not consistent with the teachings of the Quran. God commands us to strive in God's cause and to command good and to forbid evil every second of our lives. These hadith instead advocate a passive response and surrender to `fate' and await the Mahdi's arrival to save us.
The belief in the Mahdi arose from the Jewish belief in the coming of a savior. Actually this savior, as foretold in their scripture, was Prophet Muhammad whom they rejected when he arose among the Arabs. It is also consonant with the Christian belief about the Second Coming of Christ. The Shi`ites, when they lost political power to the Umayyads, similarly created their own myth about the return of the 12th Imam. He was believed to have disappeared, and will return towards the Last Days as the Mahdi who would rule the world with justice.
Source http//www.free-minds.org/books/kassim8.htm
Peace David
I agree with you.
As you know, any thing that is not in the Quran and talks about the unseen (e.g., Hadith) I do not take it.
But, this verse is puzzling me, and i'm trying to find an answer; thus, the story of the Antichrist came in my mind as a possible answer that I wanted to share with you.
So, what do you think about that verse?
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Bring them on, Lots of help is needed
peacePeace brother,
2134 And We did not give immortality to any human being that came before you. If you are going to die, would they be immortal?
I think there is a misunderstanding that this person is "eternally" on earth. -
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Someone explain "eternally on earth until the day of resurrection" as seems to be the interpretation of some of you.
Joe
Salam,
That could refer to his/her teachings that his followers adhere till the day of resurrection. I believe that whoever is the person, he/she was/is given the signs/ayat then along the way he corrupted it. He/she will have followers till the day of resurrection.
hati
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Salam Belalhammad,
I have been trying to find a historical person from scripture that fits the description of these verses.
In fact there are many stories and historical people that these verses could be speaking of. The fact that the verses do not specifically speak of WHO the person is, leaves me to believe that maybe we shouldn't try to MAKE a person fit.It says what it says.
And, we cannot insert any names or other information into that reading. Even guessing who it is speaking of.
The fact is that WHO the person is....is irrelevant. Why do I say that? Because if it WERE relevant the Quran would have indicated who it was.
The message of the verses is what is important.
Salam,
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The root "Kh Lam Dal" means to stick to something and be committed to it/ to stay. Expressions such as "khladaa ila al-noum/raa7a went in deep sleep, quiet rest" are common. The "eternal" meaning is an extension of this and not an original meaning of the verb. The verse gives the example of those who entrust this life and reject higher principles which guarantees them a better life to come.
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Peace All
Sorry, I was away from my computer,Peace brother,
2134 And We did not give immortality to any human being that came before you. If you are going to die, would they be immortal?
I think there is a misunderstanding that this person is "eternally" on earth.peace
I agree with verse 21-34
But Verse 7-176 does not say eternal life only, but a restricted eternal life. The eternal life is in Earth only, and restricted by the Earth life ?Hayat Eldonia?; which means that he will die at the end, along with Satan and every human on earth (some say even Angels).
Salam Belalhammad,
Coincidence
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14062.0
Hati
Peace Hati,
Please explain to me in words (I'm very bad in numbers) confused.The verse gives the example of those who entrust this life and reject higher principles which guarantees them a better life to come.
Peace
Which means, most humans are under this verse; but what so special about this verse, when God told the prophet, in the beginning of the verse, "recite to them the story of...".I think there is a deeper meaning, which I do not understand fully yet. Thus, I think we should think more about this verse.
PeaceSalam Belalhammad,
The fact that the verses do not specifically speak of WHO the person is, leaves me to believe that maybe we shouldn't try to MAKE a person fit.
And, we cannot insert any names or other information into that reading. Even guessing who it is speaking of.
Peace Arnab
My post was to understand if the verse means that there is a human who is or will live a long time on earth.
I was not trying to find a name, because if God did not reveal it, no one can.Peace
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Salam Belalhammad,
Peace Arnab
My post was to understand if the verse means that there is a human who is or will live a long time on earth.
I was not trying to find a name, because if God did not reveal it, no one can.Peace
My mistake then, I thought you were looking for an actual person from any of the scriptures.
However, I spent a lot of enjoyable time trying to find someone to fit the description.
Salam,
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Peace be upon you,
Wait a minute...you mean there is a devil out here in the earth with us? Is he red with horns and a tail? What does he eat and drink? Did he vote for Obama or Hillary? (assuming he is a US citizen).
If the word "eternally" is present , then it is only to emphasize how committed to the lower life this person...rather ANY PERSON who fits this example..is.
Dont waste your time trying to find the forever living man
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Coincidence
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14062.0
Peace Hati,
The worst thing they did was introduce verse numbers causing people to read out of context and come up with nonsense which anyone with basic math knowledge can plainly see.
1974 takes the prize for absurdity topping even the dumbest hadith ever invented.
My post was to understand if the verse means that there is a human who is or will live a long time on earth.
I was not trying to find a name, because if God did not reveal it, no one can.Peace Belalhammad,
Why do you suppose this is in the verse?
... Such is the parable of the people who reject Our Ay?t. So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect (7-176)
Mathalu ? example, likeness, parable, etc...
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par?a?ble
example; specifically a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principleThis is a parable not about any particular person rather a general case ? anyone who...
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Peace Belalhammad,
Why do you suppose this is in the verse?
... Such is the parable of the people who reject Our Ay?t. So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect (7-176)
Mathalu ? example, likeness, parable, etc...
Peace Nun de plume
And recite to them the story of him to whom We gave Our Ay?t, but he threw them away, so Shait?n (Satan) followed him up, and he became of those who went astray. (7-175)
And had We willed, We would surely have elevated him therewith but he clung eternally to the earth and followed his own vain desire. So his parable is the parable of a dog if you drive him away, he lolls his tongue out, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls his tongue out. Such is the parable of the people who reject Our Ay?t. So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect (7-176)So his parable is the parable of a dog
Such is the parable of the people who reject Our Ay?t
God meant That the parable of the people who reject Our Ay?t is the parable of a dog.
That is how I understand it.Peace
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So his parable is the parable of a dog
Such is the parable of the people who reject Our Ay?t
God meant That the parable of the people who reject Our Ay?t is the parable of a dog.
That is how I understand it.Exactly!
That is why him (singular) is used in beginning and not "them" (plural) to compare a human to a dog (singular).
Waotlu AAalayhim nabaa allathee ataynahu ayatina...
And read/recite on them whom We gave/brought him Our verses/evidences...Thus it's a parable and not about a single person living forever; although there will forever be rejectors.
Peace
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Peace Hati,
The worst thing they did was introduce verse numbers causing people to read out of context and come up with nonsense which anyone with basic math knowledge can plainly see.
1974 takes the prize for absurdity topping even the dumbest hadith ever invented.
So are you bothered that the number 504 725 born 11 19 1935 died 1 31 1990 fits 7175-176? Dont be bothered with what you call nonsense on arithmetic.
God bless you Nun,
Hati
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So are you bothered that the number 504 725 born 11 19 1935 died 1 31 1990 fits 7175-176? Dont be bothered with what you call nonsense on arithmetic.
God bless you Nun,
Hati
Peace Hati,
I'm not bothered at all -- really amused at the naive absurdity of it all same as with hadith stories.
God bless you Hati
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The person with GV 504 725 born 11 19 1935 died 1 31 1990 fits the verses 7175-7176.
But dont be bothered anyway these are mere numbers.-
7175-176 is NOT about ANY single person -- it's a parable!
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Thousands of names = GV 504 with people born/dieing everyday.
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Juliann calendar dates which people MADE UP have NOTHING to do with Quran
Lastly, the math is comical and trial is to read/believe Qur'an or imaginary self appointed messengers.
This is no different than hadith story tellers who likewise prey on the naive ignorant masses.
Peace
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- 7175-176 is NOT about ANY single person -- it's a parable!
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And recite to them the story of him to whom We gave Our Ay?t, but he threw them away, so Shait?n (Satan) followed him up, and he became of those who went astray. (7-175)
And had We willed, We would surely have elevated him therewith but he clung eternally to the earth and followed his own vain desire. So his parable is the parable of a dog if you drive him away, he lolls his tongue out, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls his tongue out. Such is the parable of the people who reject Our Ay?t. So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect (7-176)Peace
"Wa Etlo Alyhim Nabaa Ellazi" Recite To Them the Story of to whom. NABAA Means a True Story, and Elazi refers to one person.
If God said "recite to them the parable (example)", in Arabic " Wa Etlo Alyhim Mathel", that would mean A Parable Story.
In the entire Quran, when God telling us a true story, he uses "NABAA" or "Kasses".
Peace