Who are the people of the book?
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Peace "Arnab",
JK- Show me where youve answered the following question
"Do you, Arnab, believe that GOD has ever commanded blasphemers/adulterers to be stoned to death and/or burned"? GOD Bless!Salam jonny_k,
I?ve repeatedly told you that I believe in ALL revelations of ALLAH. What more do you need?
I've also repeatedly told you that there are outermost limits listed in the Torah and the Quran.
It is ridiculous that you insist on being shocked and appalled by the verses on punishment in the Torah but easliy accept the punishment verses in the Quran.
Salam,
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Peace "arnab",
Salam jonny_k,
I?ve repeatedly told you that I believe in ALL revelations of ALLAH. What more do you need?
JK- So then say YES i beleive GOD once commanded stoning to death and burning for adulterers and/or blasphemers. Dont shy away say it then. The fact that you wont shows you still have some good in you and dont want to accept this as ever coming from GOD.
I've also repeatedly told you that there are outermost limits listed in the Torah and the Quran.
JK- It doesnt matter whether this punishment is outer most or not. EVen if GOD explicitly said "the most you can do is stone a blasphemer to death" I would never have beliwved that GOD said such FOR IT IS NONSENSE. These very suggestions are of a simplistic mind NOT of a Divine Being.
It is ridiculous that you insist on being shocked and appalled by the verses on punishment in the Torah but easliy accept the punishment verses in the Quran.
Salam,
ArnabJK- Where do the punishment verses in the Quran say that blasphemers, WHICH IS PURE IDEOLOGY, should be killed? Dont you see the difference between allowing a victim to kill a murderer as a max punishment or allowing a victim to max give the offender a blow as harsh as he did initially and allowing someone to kill a blasphemer? If you dont im ready to detail the difference to you. GOD Bless!
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Peace "arnab",
JK- So then say YES i beleive GOD once commanded stoning to death and burning for adulterers and/or blasphemers. Dont shy away say it then.
why don't you just hand out scripts to people. That way they can say things exactly the way you want them to ..... rotfl
except I would never do it because I obey God not man.
I'm done talking to you on this subject jonny_k.
Salam,
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Peace "arnab",
why don't you just hand out scripts to people. That way they can say things exactly the way you want them to ..... rotfl
except I would never do it because I obey God not man.
I'm done talking to you on this subject jonny_k.
Salam,
ArnabJK- See, SEE "arnab" you cannot answer my question and everyone can see it. Your just choosing to hold on to parts of the OT that pleases you whilst you remain silent on the vile stuff which is clearly in there. I call this hypocrisy and it gives the religious elite a dangerous tool to justify their cruelty. It is comparable to the common people amongst the Nazis who didnt actually agree with their acts but did not openly refute their dogma and ahnce allowed them to go on. GOD Bless!
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Peace "arnab",
JK- See, SEE "arnab" you cannot answer my question and everyone can see it. Your just choosing to hold on to parts of the OT that pleases you whilst you remain silent on the vile stuff which is clearly in there. I call this hypocrisy and it gives the religious elite a dangerous tool to justify their cruelty. It is comparable to the common people amongst the Nazis who didnt actually agree with their acts but did not openly refute their dogma and ahnce allowed them to go on. GOD Bless!
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"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures); in the Law and the Torah and Gospel; for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens (that were upon them before) and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him honour, him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him it is they who will prosper." (7-157)Thus, the Quran came to release (change) what were harsh punshment or duties. So, why don't you understand that the Torah containe tough punshment that were changed in Quran.
Example, (Chapter 4)( ( ( (
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. thus hath Allah ordained (prohibitions) against you except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property, desiring chastity, not lust. Seeing that ye derive benefit from them give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, ye agree mutually (to vary it) there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-Knowing All-Wise. (24) If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess and Allah hath full knowledge about your Faith. Ye are one from another wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable they should be chaste not lustful nor taking paramours when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (25) Allah doth wish to make clear to you and to guide you into the ways of those before you; and (He doth wish to) turn to you (in Mercy) and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. (26) Allah doth wish to turn to you, but the wish of those who follow their lusts is that ye should turn away (from Him), far, far away. (27) Allah doth wish to lighten your (difficulties) for man was created weak. (4-2 -
Peace "belalhammad",
This is a silly understanding of that verse. Releasing them from the burdens could 1) refer to the burdens which theyve created for themselves and forgetting the true system ordained by GOD 2) GOD indeed prohibited some animals and specific food for the Jews which He then relieved them from. heres the verse which supports that
For those who are Jewish we prohibited animals with undivided hoofs; and of the cattle and sheep we prohibited the fat, except that which is carried on their backs, or in the viscera, or mixed with bones. That was a retribution for their transgressions, and we are truthful.NEVER could GOD have commanded stoning for blasphemers BECAUSE THE LAW IS IRRATIONAL. It can lead believers to kill each other since asa a party differs on certain interpretations, which is inevitable in the long run, the other could potentially claim the other as blasphemers and then the result is what is apparent in the "islamic" world today i.e. sunni and shia and even differnet sunnis killing each other. Attributing such nonsense to GOD is in itself blasphemy. GOD Bless!
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GOD 2) GOD indeed prohibited some animals and specific food for the Jews which He then relieved them from.
You see, it happend. (I admire you for using Quran as a proof bravo)
NEVER could GOD have commanded stoning for blasphemers BECAUSE THE LAW IS IRRATIONAL. It can lead believers to kill each other since asa a party differs on certain interpretations, which is inevitable in the long run, the other could potentially claim the other as blasphemers and then the result is what is apparent in the "islamic" world today i.e. sunni and shia and even differnet sunnis killing each other. Attributing such nonsense to GOD is in itself blasphemy.
Now, I do not admire you, but I brickwall at you for not using Quranic proof. you seam you did not read the example in my post regarding Adultary punishment giveup
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Peace "belalhammad",
You see, it happend. (I admire you for using Quran as a proof bravo
JK- MAN I NEVER DENIED HARD LAWS BUT IRRATIONAL LAWS IS SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT and the OT does mention killing of blasphemers. It is IMPOSSIBLE that GOD commanded such, SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.
Now, I do not admire you, but I brickwall at you for not using Quranic proof. you seam you did not read the example in my post regarding Adultary punishment giveup
JK- YOUR comitting the fallacy of ptoving Quran with Quran. THIS IS CIRCULAR LOGIC. Any book which makes the claim to be Divine needs to be PROVEN USING EXTERNAL MEANS i.e. NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH REALITY AND SCIETIFIC OBSERVATIONS. Otherwise how would we know it is Divine? It seems that your logic is no different from other religious folk.
As for the adultery example it might be that GOD's punishment was harsher i.e. could be 200 lashes with a specific iron rod or some harder substance whilst now its just lashes in general. Anyways if the punishment were death then it would again be unjust since there can be logically and rationally be no dispute that murder and rape is always a greater crime than adultery and after death what is left? GOD Bless! -
Peace "belalhammad",
JK- MAN I NEVER DENIED HARD LAWS BUT IRRATIONAL LAWS IS SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT and the OT does mention killing of blasphemers. It is IMPOSSIBLE that GOD commanded such, SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.
JK- YOUR comitting the fallacy of ptoving Quran with Quran. THIS IS CIRCULAR LOGIC. Any book which makes the claim to be Divine needs to be PROVEN USING EXTERNAL MEANS i.e. NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH REALITY AND SCIETIFIC OBSERVATIONS. Otherwise how would we know it is Divine? It seems that your logic is no different from other religious folk.
As for the adultery example it might be that GOD's punishment was harsher i.e. could be 200 lashes with a specific iron rod or some harder substance whilst now its just lashes in general. Anyways if the punishment were death then it would again be unjust since there can be logically and rationally be no dispute that murder and rape is always a greater crime than adultery and after death what is left? GOD Bless!This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.
(part of 5-3)
In the Quran, God prfected his final Religion.
Now read the Following Verse, and think for 24 hours before answering (Take your time, PLEASE peace)
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To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and and Muhaymin (over the old Scriptures); so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute. (5-4 -
Peace "belalhammad",
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.
(part of 5-3)
In the Quran, God prfected his final Religion.
Now read the Following Verse, and think for 24 hours before answering (Take your time, PLEASE peace)
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To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and and Muhaymin (over the old Scriptures); so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute. (5-4JK- MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! GOD does not say He protected the old scriptures. YOUR INSERTING that in brackets and thereby putting words in GOD's mouth now. He protected THE MESSAGE BY REINSTATING THE VITAL PARTS OF THE MESSAGE WHICH IS UNIVERSAL IN THE QURAN. Also im not saying that the true Torah and Psalms cannot be found somewhere but until now it has not been. But the dead sea scrolls maybe part of them. GOD Bless!
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JK- MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! GOD does not say He protected the old scriptures. YOUR INSERTING that in brackets and thereby putting words in GOD's mouth now.
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Where did I do that; You mean this(over the old Scriptures)
That is what Mohiman means, and does not mean protacting (protacting is in other verses, which I did not Quote)
Now read the Following Verse, and think for 24 hours before answering (Take your time, PLEASE )
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To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and and Muhaymin
(over the old Scriptures); so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way
. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute. (5-4 -
Peace "belalhammad",
pr
Where did I do that; You mean this(over the old Scriptures)
That is what Mohiman means, and does not mean protacting (protacting is in other verses, which I did not Quote)
Now read the Following Verse, and think for 24 hours before answering (Take your time, PLEASE )
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To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and and Muhaymin
(over the old Scriptures); so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way
. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute. (5-4JK- "muhaymin" does not mean "protecting a whole/certain book" on its own. It doesnt say "muhaymin 'ala torat wal injeel". Secondly it is possible that the true Torah and Psalms are still somewhere but they are not in the hands of those who now call themslves Jews and Christians just like the true Quran need not be in the hands of those who call themselves "muslims" i.e. sunni and shia. Ive tried to explain this to you. If tomorrow i print a book known as Torah adding my own stuff to it, WHICH BTW WLD NOT CONTRADICT WHICH ALREADY IN THE so called "TORAH", and then sell it in the market will you accept it as such? Do you see the nonsense in the argument your trying to perpetuate? GOD Bless!
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Peace "belalhammad",
You should read this verse
Therefore, woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands, then say, "This is what GOD has revealed," seeking a cheap material gain. Woe to them for what their hands write, and woe to them for their illicit gains.Did this verse ever occur to you? Guess not. GOD Bless!
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Peace "belalhammad",
You should read this verse
Therefore, woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands, then say, "This is what GOD has revealed," seeking a cheap material gain. Woe to them for such distortion, and woe to them for their illicit gains.Did this verse ever occur to you? Guess not. GOD Bless!
This verse is not about tampring the Book, but about writting a Book; hence, the books that were written after the death of prophets.
Here a proof, from Quran that proves the Torah Divinity (even Prophet Mohamed had doubt)
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Can they who rely on a clear proof from their Lord, and whom a witness from Him recities (follows) it; and before it, came the Book of Mosa (Moses), a guidance and a mercy, they believe therein, but those of the sects that reject it, the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. So be not in doubt about it Verily, it is the truth from your Lord, but most of the mankind believe not] (11-17)(
And indeed We gave Moses the Scripture. so, do not be in doubt of meeting it And We made it a guide to the Children of Israel (32-23) -
Peace "belalhammad",
This verse is not about tampring the Book, but about writting a Book; hence, the books that were written after the death of prophets.
Here a proof, from Quran that proves the Torah Divinity (even Prophet Mohamed had doubt)
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Can they who rely on a clear proof from their Lord, and whom a witness from Him recities (follows) it; and before it, came the Book of Mosa (Moses), a guidance and a mercy, they believe therein, but those of the sects that reject it, the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. So be not in doubt about it Verily, it is the truth from your Lord, but most of the mankind believe not] (11-17)(
And indeed We gave Moses the Scripture. so, do not be in doubt of meeting it And We made it a guide to the Children of Israel (32-23)JK- Where does GOD call the OT books like deuteronomy, exodus etc Torah? Tell me that. Secondly i told you already if someone comes to you and says this is the book of Moses will you just believe him? Will you not analyse the text of tht book to see whether it truly can be the Torah revealed by GOD? ONCE AGAIN USE YOUR BRAIN! GOD Bless!
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Peace "belalhammad",
I will; thus, no more debating with someone who believes he is an Ape.
Untill you stop runing away from my sanswers, to your questions, by asking another question, I'm done with you eatJK- Belalhammad if you deny scientific evidence how can you be so sure that the Quran is the Word of GOD heh? Science is the one thing we have to see whether the Quran or any other book is Divine in the first place. Theres no other way to know. If you have found another way please explain it to all of us so we can be enlightened instead of trying to blast me with verses which is typical of all religious folk. GOD Bless!
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why don't you just hand out scripts to people. That way they can say things exactly the way you want them to ..... rotfl
except I would never do it because I obey God not man.
I'm done talking to you on this subject jonny_k.
Salam,
ArnabSalaam
bravo
He obey's science muscle -
Peace "farida",
Salaam
bravo
He obey's science muscleJK- Science is all about using our senses correctly exactly as the Quran states in 1736. How do you know what is the Word of GOD and what isnt ms farida? Could you kindly inform us of that method of yours which allows you to make that distinction? Thankyou very much. ) GOD Bless!
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Peace "farida",
JK- Science is all about using our senses correctly exactly as the Quran states in 1736. How do you know what is the Word of GOD and what isnt ms farida? Could you kindly inform us of that method of yours which allows you to make that distinction? Thankyou very much. GOD Bless!
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