Who are the people of the book?

belH

GOD 2) GOD indeed prohibited some animals and specific food for the Jews which He then relieved them from.

You see, it happend. (I admire you for using Quran as a proof bravo)

NEVER could GOD have commanded stoning for blasphemers BECAUSE THE LAW IS IRRATIONAL. It can lead believers to kill each other since asa a party differs on certain interpretations, which is inevitable in the long run, the other could potentially claim the other as blasphemers and then the result is what is apparent in the "islamic" world today i.e. sunni and shia and even differnet sunnis killing each other. Attributing such nonsense to GOD is in itself blasphemy.

Now, I do not admire you, but I brickwall at you for not using Quranic proof. you seam you did not read the example in my post regarding Adultary punishment giveup

jonny_k

Peace "belalhammad",

You see, it happend. (I admire you for using Quran as a proof bravo

JK- MAN I NEVER DENIED HARD LAWS BUT IRRATIONAL LAWS IS SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT and the OT does mention killing of blasphemers. It is IMPOSSIBLE that GOD commanded such, SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Now, I do not admire you, but I brickwall at you for not using Quranic proof. you seam you did not read the example in my post regarding Adultary punishment giveup

JK- YOUR comitting the fallacy of ptoving Quran with Quran. THIS IS CIRCULAR LOGIC. Any book which makes the claim to be Divine needs to be PROVEN USING EXTERNAL MEANS i.e. NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH REALITY AND SCIETIFIC OBSERVATIONS. Otherwise how would we know it is Divine? It seems that your logic is no different from other religious folk.
As for the adultery example it might be that GOD's punishment was harsher i.e. could be 200 lashes with a specific iron rod or some harder substance whilst now its just lashes in general. Anyways if the punishment were death then it would again be unjust since there can be logically and rationally be no dispute that murder and rape is always a greater crime than adultery and after death what is left? GOD Bless!

belH

Peace "belalhammad",

JK- MAN I NEVER DENIED HARD LAWS BUT IRRATIONAL LAWS IS SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT and the OT does mention killing of blasphemers. It is IMPOSSIBLE that GOD commanded such, SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.

JK- YOUR comitting the fallacy of ptoving Quran with Quran. THIS IS CIRCULAR LOGIC. Any book which makes the claim to be Divine needs to be PROVEN USING EXTERNAL MEANS i.e. NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH REALITY AND SCIETIFIC OBSERVATIONS. Otherwise how would we know it is Divine? It seems that your logic is no different from other religious folk.
As for the adultery example it might be that GOD's punishment was harsher i.e. could be 200 lashes with a specific iron rod or some harder substance whilst now its just lashes in general. Anyways if the punishment were death then it would again be unjust since there can be logically and rationally be no dispute that murder and rape is always a greater crime than adultery and after death what is left? GOD Bless!

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.

(part of 5-3)

In the Quran, God prfected his final Religion.

Now read the Following Verse, and think for 24 hours before answering (Take your time, PLEASE peace)

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To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and and Muhaymin (over the old Scriptures); so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute. (5-4

jonny_k

Peace "belalhammad",

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.

(part of 5-3)

In the Quran, God prfected his final Religion.

Now read the Following Verse, and think for 24 hours before answering (Take your time, PLEASE peace)

(&#65279
To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and and Muhaymin (over the old Scriptures); so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute. (5-4

JK- MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! GOD does not say He protected the old scriptures. YOUR INSERTING that in brackets and thereby putting words in GOD's mouth now. He protected THE MESSAGE BY REINSTATING THE VITAL PARTS OF THE MESSAGE WHICH IS UNIVERSAL IN THE QURAN. Also im not saying that the true Torah and Psalms cannot be found somewhere but until now it has not been. But the dead sea scrolls maybe part of them. GOD Bless!

belH

JK- MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! GOD does not say He protected the old scriptures. YOUR INSERTING that in brackets and thereby putting words in GOD's mouth now.

pr
Where did I do that; You mean this

(over the old Scriptures)

That is what Mohiman means, and does not mean protacting (protacting is in other verses, which I did not Quote)

Now read the Following Verse, and think for 24 hours before answering (Take your time, PLEASE )

(&#65279
To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and and Muhaymin
(over the old Scriptures); so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way
. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute. (5-4

jonny_k

Peace "belalhammad",

pr
Where did I do that; You mean this

(over the old Scriptures)

That is what Mohiman means, and does not mean protacting (protacting is in other verses, which I did not Quote)

Now read the Following Verse, and think for 24 hours before answering (Take your time, PLEASE )

(&#65279
To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and and Muhaymin
(over the old Scriptures); so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way
. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute. (5-4

JK- "muhaymin" does not mean "protecting a whole/certain book" on its own. It doesnt say "muhaymin 'ala torat wal injeel". Secondly it is possible that the true Torah and Psalms are still somewhere but they are not in the hands of those who now call themslves Jews and Christians just like the true Quran need not be in the hands of those who call themselves "muslims" i.e. sunni and shia. Ive tried to explain this to you. If tomorrow i print a book known as Torah adding my own stuff to it, WHICH BTW WLD NOT CONTRADICT WHICH ALREADY IN THE so called "TORAH", and then sell it in the market will you accept it as such? Do you see the nonsense in the argument your trying to perpetuate? GOD Bless!

jonny_k

Peace "belalhammad",
You should read this verse
Therefore, woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands, then say, "This is what GOD has revealed," seeking a cheap material gain. Woe to them for what their hands write, and woe to them for their illicit gains.

Did this verse ever occur to you? Guess not. GOD Bless!

belH

Peace "belalhammad",
You should read this verse
Therefore, woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands, then say, "This is what GOD has revealed," seeking a cheap material gain. Woe to them for such distortion, and woe to them for their illicit gains.

Did this verse ever occur to you? Guess not. GOD Bless!

This verse is not about tampring the Book, but about writting a Book; hence, the books that were written after the death of prophets.

Here a proof, from Quran that proves the Torah Divinity (even Prophet Mohamed had doubt)

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Can they who rely on a clear proof from their Lord, and whom a witness from Him recities (follows) it; and before it, came the Book of Mosa (Moses), a guidance and a mercy, they believe therein, but those of the sects that reject it, the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. So be not in doubt about it Verily, it is the truth from your Lord, but most of the mankind believe not] (11-17)

(&#65279
And indeed We gave Moses the Scripture. so, do not be in doubt of meeting it And We made it a guide to the Children of Israel (32-23)

jonny_k

Peace "belalhammad",

This verse is not about tampring the Book, but about writting a Book; hence, the books that were written after the death of prophets.

Here a proof, from Quran that proves the Torah Divinity (even Prophet Mohamed had doubt)

(&#65279
Can they who rely on a clear proof from their Lord, and whom a witness from Him recities (follows) it; and before it, came the Book of Mosa (Moses), a guidance and a mercy, they believe therein, but those of the sects that reject it, the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. So be not in doubt about it Verily, it is the truth from your Lord, but most of the mankind believe not] (11-17)

(&#65279
And indeed We gave Moses the Scripture. so, do not be in doubt of meeting it And We made it a guide to the Children of Israel (32-23)

JK- Where does GOD call the OT books like deuteronomy, exodus etc Torah? Tell me that. Secondly i told you already if someone comes to you and says this is the book of Moses will you just believe him? Will you not analyse the text of tht book to see whether it truly can be the Torah revealed by GOD? ONCE AGAIN USE YOUR BRAIN! GOD Bless!

belH

ONCE AGAIN USE YOUR BRAIN! GOD Bless!

I will; thus, no more debating with someone who believes he is an Ape.
Untill you stop runing away from my sanswers, to your questions, by asking another question, I'm done with you eat

jonny_k

Peace "belalhammad",

I will; thus, no more debating with someone who believes he is an Ape.
Untill you stop runing away from my sanswers, to your questions, by asking another question, I'm done with you eat

JK- Belalhammad if you deny scientific evidence how can you be so sure that the Quran is the Word of GOD heh? Science is the one thing we have to see whether the Quran or any other book is Divine in the first place. Theres no other way to know. If you have found another way please explain it to all of us so we can be enlightened instead of trying to blast me with verses which is typical of all religious folk. GOD Bless!

farida

why don't you just hand out scripts to people. That way they can say things exactly the way you want them to ..... rotfl

except I would never do it because I obey God not man.

I'm done talking to you on this subject jonny_k.

Salam,
Arnab

Salaam
bravo
He obey's science muscle

jonny_k

Peace "farida",

Salaam
bravo
He obey's science muscle

JK- Science is all about using our senses correctly exactly as the Quran states in 1736. How do you know what is the Word of GOD and what isnt ms farida? Could you kindly inform us of that method of yours which allows you to make that distinction? Thankyou very much. ) GOD Bless!

farida

Peace "farida",

JK- Science is all about using our senses correctly exactly as the Quran states in 1736. How do you know what is the Word of GOD and what isnt ms farida? Could you kindly inform us of that method of yours which allows you to make that distinction? Thankyou very much. GOD Bless!

ignore

jonny_k

Peace "farida",

ignore

JK- Ignore those who dont agree with you! Typical close minded response. GOD Bless!

unknownuser

Salam,
Part of being a ?believer? is believing in that which is revealed and that which was revealed BEFORE

23 And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are sure of the hereafter.

241 And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear.

290 Evil is that for which they have sold their souls-- that they should deny what Allah has revealed, out of envy that Allah should send down of His grace on whomsoever of His servants He pleases; so they have made themselves deserving of wrath upon wrath, and there is a disgraceful punishment for the unbelievers.

291 And when it is said to them, Believe in what Allah has revealed, they say We believe in that which was revealed to us; and they deny what is besides that, while it is the truth verifying that which they have. Say Why then did you kill Allah's Prophets before if you were indeed believers?

297 Say Whoever is the enemy of Jibreel-- for surely he revealed it to your heart by Allah's command, verifying that which is before it and guidance and good news for the believers.

2136 Say We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

2285 The messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers; We make no difference between any of His messengers; and they say We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course.

33 He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan.

34 Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah they shall have a severe chastisement; and Allah is Mighty, the Lord of retribution.

384 Say We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and what was given to Musa and Isa and to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

3199 And most surely of the followers of the Book there are those who believe in Allah and (in) that which has been revealed to you and (in) that which has been revealed to them, being lowly before Allah; they do not take a small price for the communications of Allah; these it is that have their reward with their Lord; surely Allah is quick in reckoning.

447 O you who have been given the Book! believe that which We have revealed, verifying what you have, before We alter faces then turn them on their backs, or curse them as We cursed the violaters of the Sabbath, and the command of Allah shall be executed.

4136 O you who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger and the Book which He revealed before; and whoever disbelieves in Allah and His angels and His messengers and the last day, he indeed strays off into a remote error.

4162 But the firm in knowledge among them and the believers believe in what has been revealed to. you and what was revealed before you, and those who keep up prayers and those who give the poor-rate and the believers in Allah and the last day, these it is whom We will give a mighty reward.

544 Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.

547 And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.

548 And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;

559 Say O followers of the Book! do you find fault with us (for aught) except that we believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed before, and that most of you are transgressors?

566 And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do

568 Say O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people.

692 And this is a Book We have revealed, blessed, verifying that which is before it, and that you may warn the metropolis and those around her; and those who believe in the hereafter believe in it, and they attend to their prayers constantly.

1094 But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.

4230
They said O our people! we have listened to a Book revealed after Musa verifying that which is before it, guiding to the truth and to a right path

Several times the revelation given to Muhammad is called a REMINDER

What are the stories in the Quran REMINDING us about?

A LARGE PORTION is about the previous prophets....
in the PREVIOUS scripture....
Those stories are found in the OLD TESTAMENT AND THE INJEEL!
These stories HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
The written forms have also been with us for THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

388 Has the reminder been revealed to him from among us? Nay! they are in doubt as to My reminder. Nay! they have not yet tasted My chastisement!

82 A Book revealed to you-- so let there be no straitness in your breast on account of it-- that you may warn thereby, and a reminder close to the believers.

152 And they say O you to whom the Reminder has been revealed! you are most surely insane

159 Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian.

1244 With clear arguments and scriptures; and We have revealed to you the Reminder that you may make clear to men what has been revealed to them, and that haply they may reflect.

20113 And thus have We sent it down an Arabic Quran, and have distinctly set forth therein of threats that they may guard (against evil) or that it may produce a reminder for them.

2110 Certainly We have revealed to you a Book in which is your good remembrance; what! do you not then understand?

2150And this is a blessed Reminder which We have revealed; will you then deny it?

2951 Is it not enough for them that We have revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Most surely there is mercy in this and a reminder for a people who believe.

2510 Allah has prepared for them severe chastisement, therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah, O men of understanding who believe! Allah has indeed revealed to you a reminder,

What has been revealed before? and to what is the Quran reminding us? This is outlined in the Quran

33 He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan.

348 And He will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat and the Injeel.

350 And a verifier of that which is before me of the Taurat and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden t you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.

543 And how do they make you a judge and they have the Taurat wherein is Allah's judgment? Yet they turn back after that, and these are not the believers.

544 Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.

546 And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).

566 And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do

568 Say O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people.

5110 When Allah will say O Isa son of Marium! Remember My favor on you and on your mother, when I strengthened you I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said This is nothing but clear enchantment.

7157 Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel (who) enjoins them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so (as for) those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.

9111 Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.

4869 Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.

616 And when Isa son of Marium said O children of Israel! surely I am the messenger of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and giving the good news of an Messenger who will come after me, his name being Ahmad, but when he came to them with clear arguments they said This is clear magic.

625 The likeness of those who were charged with the Taurat, then they did not observe it, is as the likeness of the ass bearing books, evil is the likeness of the people who reject the communications of Allah; and Allah does not guide the unjust people.

547 And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.

4163 Surely We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh, and the prophets after him, and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Haroun and Sulaiman and We gave to Dawood the psalms.

1755 And your Lord best knows those who are in the heavens and the earth; and certainly We have made some of the prophets to excel others, and to Dawood We gave a scripture.

Salam,
Arnab

jonny_k

Peace "arnab"