question about salat
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Peace be upon you Alen,
Dry Ablution says we should touch dust/soil and wipe our faces and hands.....its just more symbolism. The potter deals with both soil/clay and water to create. I wrote in my post under "washing arms to elbows" the following..
"...A metaphor for the spirit is the soil, where the farmer plants his seeds with his hands/arms. The farmer protects this seed by removing weeds, etc. So we wash the arms to show that it is a job of purification of the garden(subconcious mind). .."
Putting dirt on your face is not a comparable substitute to washing your face, its not about literal cleaning, even though you should be clean literally, but just a metaphor of water and soil, a metaphor about how to make changes in your spirit.
Salaam all
This is not rubbing dirt on your hands and face but, actually cleaning yourself with pure earth, which supposedly contains natural cleansing ingredients. Some time back I saw a programme on British TV where it was discussed how earth has cleansing powers and that, in Africa where there is a scarcity of water earth should be used for cleansing, I am no scientist so I would ask someone, so inclined, to do the research and I am sure this will be confirmed.
peace
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salaam
go easy please.
the symbolism is excitingly attractive. but is it the truth?
towards the end of 56 is this sentence
'... falam tajidoo maan fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban faimsahoo biwujoohikum waaydeekum minhu ma yureedu Allahu liyajAAala AAalaykum min harajin walakin yureedu liyutahhirakum waliyutimma niAAmatahu AAalaykum laAAallakum tashkuroona.'abdullah yusuf ali understood it to mean
'... and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.'there is that phrase of "... falam tajidoo maan ...." how does this phrase fit into your symbolism?
btw, my personal comprehension is
' ... but if you (pl.) could not find water (falam tajidoo maan), then resort to (fatayammamoo) an agreeable goodness (saAAeedan tayyiban), so, rub your faces (faimsahoo biwujoohikum) and hands (waaydeekum)....'so, if one could not find water, simply rub the face and the hands, with one's hands.
let's not ridicule or deride each other, for only God know the truth, symbolism or otherwise.
peace
jb
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I hear pigs like to roll around in mud and apparently some people do too, so I wanna roll around in some mud. ;D
Joe
Salaam,
Mud has been proven to have excellent cleansing powers; that is why people use mud masks and often the whole body covered in mud for thorough cleansing. Rolling in mud has beocome a healthy sports in some spa's too.
By the way pigs eat food too along with their own excrement; so does that mean that everything pigs do is bad? ???We can do a simple experiment to find this out, simply take note of your dirty hands under the microscope, then rub your hands with mud and check again if its any cleaner than before. I am sure any scieintist or doctor can do this simple experiment and even school labs can do so to find out for sure.
peace
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salaam,
thank you for the info. yes, mud, as every other things around us, has excellent properties, if only we were to investigate thoroughly. but are those excellent properties relevant to the issue at hand, of cleansing oneself before honouring the relationship with God, or the ritual prayers as some would prefer? is it in context of the message?
insha-Allah, God will guide us all.
peace
jb
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salaam,
thank you for the info. yes, mud, as every other things around us, has excellent properties, if only we were to investigate thoroughly. but are those excellent properties relevant to the issue at hand, of cleansing oneself before honouring the relationship with God, or the ritual prayers as some would prefer? is it in context of the message?
insha-Allah, God will guide us all.
peace
jb
Salaam,
Yes I believe it is in context of the message, preparing yourself according to a clear injunction in the Qur'an - physically prepare for the spiritual communion with God, detaching yourself from the worldly activities.peace
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As far as I'm aware, the connotation of the word is dry earth/soil, not mud.
Salaam Wakas,
Yes this is correct and thank you for putting us back on track. In reply no 13, I too said ...pure earth, which supposedly contains natural cleansing ingredients, but then the topic turned to mud and I overlooked that I used word mud for the experiment
So conduct experiment using dry clean earth and I am confident that the result will show that even dry clean earth has cleansing power.
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salaam
the phrase in question is 'fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban'.
what does this phrase mean?
what is 'tayammamoo? isn't it an imperative?
what is 'saAAeedan tayyiban'? to find the meaning break it first - what is 'saAAeedan'? and what is 'tayyiban'?insha-Allah God will guide us.
peace
jb
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If it's about cleansing (literally), how about cleansing creams/milk?
Salaam,
wow Not a bad idea when we run out of water and clean earth on this earth.
salaam
the phrase in question is 'fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban'.
what does this phrase mean?
what is 'tayammamoo? isn't it an imperative?
what is 'saAAeedan tayyiban'? to find the meaning break it first - what is 'saAAeedan'? and what is 'tayyiban'?insha-Allah God will guide us.
peace
jb
Salaam
I need help I don't know how to do this search. -[ -
salaam
let's leave 'fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban' to the linguists. i am not.
now is the question were and when do you suppose we 'could not find water'? i suppose it is safe to say that 80% of the human beings a living in regions with easily available water. even the 20% living in the desert regions don't necessarily face a shortage of water.
could it be a case where water is easily available, but we are not in a position to access them, while we need to honour the salat at that very moment?
just ponder about it. what do we do?
peace
jb
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Question about salat...
How should I do a contact prayer while I'm at work? Do contact prayers need standing, bowing and prostrating at all costs? What if I can't do this? Can I pray while sitting then?
Also I'm aware that the Quran says the believers pray while sitting, standing, lying, etc. bet I think this is referring to DUA/TASBEEH and not SALAT.
Salam
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Question about salat...
How should I do a contact prayer while I'm at work? Do contact prayers need standing, bowing and prostrating at all costs? What if I can't do this? Can I pray while sitting then?
Also I'm aware that the Quran says the believers pray while sitting, standing, lying, etc. bet I think this is referring to DUA/TASBEEH and not SALAT.
Salam
2238 Preserve the contact prayers, including the middle contact prayer, and stand devoutly for God.
2239 But if you are in a state of worry, then you may do so while walking or riding. If you become secure, then remember God as He has taught you what you did not know.
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peace all
ok, so i was thinking, if 'salat' is not done the traditional way, what's the point of an ablution?
why mention cleaning only a few body parts for doing salat?Peace,.
Respectfully.That would be for the obediance.
I mean, think about it, how many times have you and i talked about this?
Okay, so you finally agree that if it was about cleanliness, we should've washed armpits first and also private parts, right?Peace.
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The ablution is good for the following reasons
- cleanliness and with that also
- respect towards God and
- preperation - it helps you get in the mindset of connecting with God.
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2238 Preserve the contact prayers, including the middle contact prayer, and stand devoutly for God.
2239 But if you are in a state of worry, then you may do so while walking or riding. If you become secure, then remember God as He has taught you what you did not know.
Thanks...I'll keep that in mind next time. )
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means S-L-V LETTERS
LISAN-UL ARAB SALAT=
salat dosent means pray for 5 times or 3 times salat means study quran-social work-Qur'an 4102 And when you are among them and keep up the prayerfor them, let a party of them stand up with you, and let themtake their arms; then when they have prostrated themselves letthem go to your rear, and let another party who have not prayedcome forward and pray with you, and let them take their precautionsand their arms; (for) those who disbelieve desire thatyou may be careless of your arms and your luggage, so that theymay then turn upon you with a sudden united attack, and thereis no blame on you, if you are annoyed with rain or if you aresick, that you lay down your arms, and take your precautions;surely Allah has prepared a disgraceful chastisement for theunbelievers.
then when they have prostrated themselves says here but prophet dosent prostrated cos he is explainin and other group coming but they dont prostrated
sucude =prostrated
but means so they understood and they got it they prostrated they got the lessen andQuran 4103Then when you have finished the prayer, remember Allahstanding and sitting and reclining; but when you are secure(from danger) keep up prayer; surely prayer is a timed ordinancefor the believers.
here give you after study remember Allahstanding and sitting and reclining
Allah knows the best
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look at muslim world
salat dosent means prayer but people change it,
salat,study quran-social work if all muslims would do salat properly muslims in the east and all of world would not be that positions
this is the bill our mistakes we have to do proper salatQuran/1311 For his sake there are angels following one another,before him and behind him, who guard him by Allah'scommandment; surely Allah does not change the condition of apeople until they change their own condition; and when Allahintends evil to a people, there is no averting it, andbesides Him they have no protector.
Allah knows the best
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