question about salat

Joe_Betik

salaam

go easy please.

the symbolism is excitingly attractive. but is it the truth?

towards the end of 56 is this sentence
'... falam tajidoo maan fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban faimsahoo biwujoohikum waaydeekum minhu ma yureedu Allahu liyajAAala AAalaykum min harajin walakin yureedu liyutahhirakum waliyutimma niAAmatahu AAalaykum laAAallakum tashkuroona.'

abdullah yusuf ali understood it to mean
'... and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.'

there is that phrase of "... falam tajidoo maan ...." how does this phrase fit into your symbolism?

btw, my personal comprehension is
' ... but if you (pl.) could not find water (falam tajidoo maan), then resort to (fatayammamoo) an agreeable goodness (saAAeedan tayyiban), so, rub your faces (faimsahoo biwujoohikum) and hands (waaydeekum)....'

so, if one could not find water, simply rub the face and the hands, with one's hands.

let's not ridicule or deride each other, for only God know the truth, symbolism or otherwise.

peace

jb

farida

I hear pigs like to roll around in mud and apparently some people do too, so I wanna roll around in some mud. ;D

Joe

Salaam,

Mud has been proven to have excellent cleansing powers; that is why people use mud masks and often the whole body covered in mud for thorough cleansing. Rolling in mud has beocome a healthy sports in some spa's too.
By the way pigs eat food too along with their own excrement; so does that mean that everything pigs do is bad? ???

We can do a simple experiment to find this out, simply take note of your dirty hands under the microscope, then rub your hands with mud and check again if its any cleaner than before. I am sure any scieintist or doctor can do this simple experiment and even school labs can do so to find out for sure.

peace

Joe_Betik

salaam,

thank you for the info. yes, mud, as every other things around us, has excellent properties, if only we were to investigate thoroughly. but are those excellent properties relevant to the issue at hand, of cleansing oneself before honouring the relationship with God, or the ritual prayers as some would prefer? is it in context of the message?

insha-Allah, God will guide us all.

peace

jb

farida

salaam,

thank you for the info. yes, mud, as every other things around us, has excellent properties, if only we were to investigate thoroughly. but are those excellent properties relevant to the issue at hand, of cleansing oneself before honouring the relationship with God, or the ritual prayers as some would prefer? is it in context of the message?

insha-Allah, God will guide us all.

peace

jb

Salaam,
Yes I believe it is in context of the message, preparing yourself according to a clear injunction in the Qur'an - physically prepare for the spiritual communion with God, detaching yourself from the worldly activities.

peace

Wakas

As far as I'm aware, the connotation of the word is dry earth/soil, not mud.

farida

As far as I'm aware, the connotation of the word is dry earth/soil, not mud.

Salaam Wakas,
Yes this is correct and thank you for putting us back on track. In reply no 13, I too said ...pure earth, which supposedly contains natural cleansing ingredients, but then the topic turned to mud and I overlooked that I used word mud for the experiment
So conduct experiment using dry clean earth and I am confident that the result will show that even dry clean earth has cleansing power.
peace

Samia

If it's about cleansing (literally), how about cleansing creams/milk?

Joe_Betik

salaam

the phrase in question is 'fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban'.

what does this phrase mean?
what is 'tayammamoo? isn't it an imperative?
what is 'saAAeedan tayyiban'? to find the meaning break it first - what is 'saAAeedan'? and what is 'tayyiban'?

insha-Allah God will guide us.

peace

jb

farida

If it's about cleansing (literally), how about cleansing creams/milk?

Salaam,

wow Not a bad idea when we run out of water and clean earth on this earth.

salaam

the phrase in question is 'fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban'.

what does this phrase mean?
what is 'tayammamoo? isn't it an imperative?
what is 'saAAeedan tayyiban'? to find the meaning break it first - what is 'saAAeedan'? and what is 'tayyiban'?

insha-Allah God will guide us.

peace

jb

Salaam
I need help I don't know how to do this search. -[

Joe_Betik

salaam

let's leave 'fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban' to the linguists. i am not.

now is the question were and when do you suppose we 'could not find water'? i suppose it is safe to say that 80% of the human beings a living in regions with easily available water. even the 20% living in the desert regions don't necessarily face a shortage of water.

could it be a case where water is easily available, but we are not in a position to access them, while we need to honour the salat at that very moment?

just ponder about it. what do we do?

peace

jb

Meteora

Question about salat...

How should I do a contact prayer while I'm at work? Do contact prayers need standing, bowing and prostrating at all costs? What if I can't do this? Can I pray while sitting then?

Also I'm aware that the Quran says the believers pray while sitting, standing, lying, etc. bet I think this is referring to DUA/TASBEEH and not SALAT.

Salam

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

Question about salat...

How should I do a contact prayer while I'm at work? Do contact prayers need standing, bowing and prostrating at all costs? What if I can't do this? Can I pray while sitting then?

Also I'm aware that the Quran says the believers pray while sitting, standing, lying, etc. bet I think this is referring to DUA/TASBEEH and not SALAT.

Salam

2238 Preserve the contact prayers, including the middle contact prayer, and stand devoutly for God.

2239 But if you are in a state of worry, then you may do so while walking or riding. If you become secure, then remember God as He has taught you what you did not know.

Alen

peace all

ok, so i was thinking, if 'salat' is not done the traditional way, what's the point of an ablution?
why mention cleaning only a few body parts for doing salat?

Peace,.
Respectfully.

That would be for the obediance.
I mean, think about it, how many times have you and i talked about this?
Okay, so you finally agree that if it was about cleanliness, we should've washed armpits first and also private parts, right?

Peace.

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

The ablution is good for the following reasons

cleanliness and with that also
respect towards God and
preperation - it helps you get in the mindset of connecting with God.

Meteora

2238 Preserve the contact prayers, including the middle contact prayer, and stand devoutly for God.

2239 But if you are in a state of worry, then you may do so while walking or riding. If you become secure, then remember God as He has taught you what you did not know.

Thanks...I'll keep that in mind next time. )

Istanbul

means S-L-V LETTERS

LISAN-UL ARAB SALAT=
salat dosent means pray for 5 times or 3 times salat means study quran-social work-

Qur'an 4102 And when you are among them and keep up the prayerfor them, let a party of them stand up with you, and let themtake their arms; then when they have prostrated themselves letthem go to your rear, and let another party who have not prayedcome forward and pray with you, and let them take their precautionsand their arms; (for) those who disbelieve desire thatyou may be careless of your arms and your luggage, so that theymay then turn upon you with a sudden united attack, and thereis no blame on you, if you are annoyed with rain or if you aresick, that you lay down your arms, and take your precautions;surely Allah has prepared a disgraceful chastisement for theunbelievers.

then when they have prostrated themselves says here but prophet dosent prostrated cos he is explainin and other group coming but they dont prostrated

sucude =prostrated
but means so they understood and they got it they prostrated they got the lessen and

Quran 4103Then when you have finished the prayer, remember Allahstanding and sitting and reclining; but when you are secure(from danger) keep up prayer; surely prayer is a timed ordinancefor the believers.

here give you after study remember Allahstanding and sitting and reclining

Allah knows the best

Istanbul

look at muslim world
salat dosent means prayer but people change it,
salat,study quran-social work if all muslims would do salat properly muslims in the east and all of world would not be that positions
this is the bill our mistakes we have to do proper salat

Quran/1311 For his sake there are angels following one another,before him and behind him, who guard him by Allah'scommandment; surely Allah does not change the condition of apeople until they change their own condition; and when Allahintends evil to a people, there is no averting it, andbesides Him they have no protector.

Allah knows the best

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

Selam "Istanbul",

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Istanbul

selam

if salat prayer can u show me from Qur'an how we gonna do it

Allah knows the best

Qur'an 1664 And We have revealed the Scripture unto thee only that thou mayst explain unto them that wherein they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe
M.M. Pickthall

Wakas

then when they have prostrated themselves says here but prophet dosent prostrated cos he is explainin and other group coming but they dont prostrated

Never noted that before. Interesting.

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http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htm