Who are the people of the book?
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Salam, Arnab,
So, Is what I am quoting underneath revealed? If it is revealed, who revealed it to whom?
Genesis 6 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain"Genesis 6
1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
Salaam
Salam Huruf,
It was revealed to Moses.
We know that there was an oral tradition that was passed down through out the generations before Moses.
We know that for generations God's laws were observed by some including Abraham.
We know that Abraham was a muslim, upright and an example for all generations.
This was before the Torah was written down.So the question is did Moses recieve this previous revelation (history that happened before he was born)
because it was revelation given to Abraham or Noah or another prophet from God and Moses recieved it via oral tradition?
or was it revelation direct from God at the time of the Torah?
I don't know the answer to that.
Salam,
Arnab -
Peace "arnab",
GOD does not prescribe a punishment which is entirely unjust and illogical or do you say adultery is ever a greater crime than murder ore even rape? BUT that is not all. GOD in the OT also allegedly prescribes stoning/burning to death FOR APOSTATES/BLASPHEMERS and it is impossible to justify this as ive explained.
Moses said, in the Quran, that God prescribed death for Israiles Blasphemers
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And Moses said to his people "O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves, that will be better for you with your Creator." Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful. (2-54)JK!! Please Think before answering, PLEASE pr
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Moses said, in the Quran, that God prescribed death for Israiles Blasphemers
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And Moses said to his people "O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves, that will be better for you with your Creator." Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful. (2-54)JK!! Please Think before answering, PLEASE pr
Peace belalhammad, and everyone.
The focus of this Scripture tells exactly what the context is. It says
"And Moses said to his people 'O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves, that will be better for you with your Creator.'"
According to this text, Mousa was saying that the Israelites would be demonstrating their repentence by 'killing themselves', and this would lead to their being forgiven by God. However, after that, it says
"Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful."
Now, in that Scripture, it doesn't say anything about them literally killing themselves and being raised up again as a sign of God's mercy - it simply says that they were forgiven, and God accepted their repentence. This implies that God wasn't speaking of them LITERALLY killing themselves, physically committing suicide. He was speaking of them killing their "egos" and their "pride", which is literally a form of repentence. We aren't instructed by God to actually kill ourselves - suicide is condemned in al-Qur'an...
Peace.
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Peace belalhammad, and everyone.
The focus of this Scripture tells exactly what the context is. It says
"And Moses said to his people 'O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves, that will be better for you with your Creator.'"
According to this text, Mousa was saying that the Israelites would be demonstrating their repentence by 'killing themselves', and this would lead to their being forgiven by God. However, after that, it says
"Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful."
Now, in that Scripture, it doesn't say anything about them literally killing themselves and being raised up again as a sign of God's mercy - it simply says that they were forgiven, and God accepted their repentence. This implies that God wasn't speaking of them LITERALLY killing themselves, physically committing suicide. He was speaking of them killing their "egos" and their "pride", which is literally a form of repentence. We aren't instructed by God to actually kill ourselves - suicide is condemned in al-Qur'an...
Peace.
exactly right peace
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He was speaking of them killing their "egos" and their "pride", which is literally a form of repentence. We aren't instructed by God to actually kill ourselves - suicide is condemned in al-Qur'an...
Peace.
Salaam,
Although my Arabic understanding is not very good but I too understand that nafs, among other meanings, also means ego and pride and that we must kill this part of ourself.
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Peace belalhammad, and everyone.
The focus of this Scripture tells exactly what the context is. It says
"And Moses said to his people 'O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves, that will be better for you with your Creator.'"
According to this text, Mousa was saying that the Israelites would be demonstrating their repentence by 'killing themselves', and this would lead to their being forgiven by God. However, after that, it says
"Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful."
Now, in that Scripture, it doesn't say anything about them literally killing themselves and being raised up again as a sign of God's mercy - it simply says that they were forgiven, and God accepted their repentence. This implies that God wasn't speaking of them LITERALLY killing themselves, physically committing suicide. He was speaking of them killing their "egos" and their "pride", which is literally a form of repentence. We aren't instructed by God to actually kill ourselves - suicide is condemned in al-Qur'an...
Peace.
Peace,
The meaning of 2-54 can be used to support that killing was the punishment for Isrealis Blasphemers, as Arnab showed from Torah. I understood the meanining of this verse as you do untill Arnab showed us the Torah Punshment, then, I changed my understanding.
Let me give you another example from Quran were God shows that he could have commanded us to Kill ourselves when commetting Koffer, but He Chose not to due to our weakness (few of us would have obay the order)(
If We had ordered them to Kill themselves or to leave their homes, very few of them would have done it but if they had done what they were (actually) told, it would have been best for them, and would have gone farthest to strengthen their (faith). (4-66)
Peace -
Peace,
The meaning of 2-54 can be used to support that killing was the punishment for Isrealis Blasphemers, as Arnab showed from Torah. I understood the meanining of this verse as you do untill Arnab showed us the Torah Punshment, then, I changed my understanding.
Let me give you another example from Quran were God shows that he could have commanded us to Kill ourselves when commetting Koffer, but He Chose not to due to our weakness (few of us would have obay the order)(
If We had ordered them to Kill themselves or to leave their homes, very few of them would have done it but if they had done what they were (actually) told, it would have been best for them, and would have gone farthest to strengthen their (faith). (4-66)
PeacePeace.
This isn't speaking of literally killing themselves either. The preceding verse (465) speaks of them making the prophet the judge between them in their argument regarding their beliefs - the best way to overcome that type of disagreement would be to kill our "pride/egos" and submit to what the messenger speaks from God, as the verse points out. This is explained in the following verses as well, where it speaks of the results of their actions had they done what could've been prescribed to them (suicide)
"...and We would have given them from Ourselves a great reward..." (al-Qur'an 467)
This could be speaking about in this life or the Hereafter. However, the next verse is clearly speaking of THIS LIFE, meaning we would still be living, which wouldn't be the case had we actually killed ourselves (committed suicide).
"...and guide them to a straight path." (al-Qur'an 46
According to the Scripture, this straight path is the way we should lead our lives in this life, and it will enable us to receive God's mercies in the Hereafter, God willing. If we literally committed suicide, we couldn't be guided to this straight path because we would be dead. So, obviously, the Scripture is referring to killing our pride/ego and submit to the message, and this would strengthen us. In fact, the disagreeing people (465) were not believers, according to the Scripture, and this is why they rejected the prophet's message. That's where verse 66 comes in
"And if We ordered them to kill their pride/egos or to leave their homes/dwellings, very few of them would have done it. But had they done what they were told, it would have been best for them and would have strengthened them." (al-Qur'an 466)
As rejecters of the message, they wouldn't submit to the message by literally killing themselves, they would prove their submission to it by ridding themselves of their pride and accepting it, submitting themselves to the prophet. So, I think their "homes/dwellings" were referring to their current state of disbelief - it would have strengthened them to be humble and abandon their disbelief, submitting to the message. This is the only way they could be rewarded by God and guided by Him to the "straight path"...
Peace.
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Peace,
The meaning of 2-54 can be used to support that killing was the punishment for Isrealis Blasphemers, as Arnab showed from Torah. I understood the meanining of this verse as you do untill Arnab showed us the Torah Punshment, then, I changed my understanding.
Let me give you another example from Quran were God shows that he could have commanded us to Kill ourselves when commetting Koffer, but He Chose not to due to our weakness (few of us would have obay the order)(
If We had ordered them to Kill themselves or to leave their homes, very few of them would have done it but if they had done what they were (actually) told, it would have been best for them, and would have gone farthest to strengthen their (faith). (4-66)
Peace"For that We prescribed to the children of Israel that whoever kills a nafs not for another nafs nor for corruption on the Earth is as if he killed all the people..." 532
so obviously, these divinely-inspired books must be somewhere within our grasp, so we can study,Peace.
You don't have to look further. They are incorporated in the qur'aan. The valid verses were copied to the qur'aan , the no more valid ones have been replaced by better ones (2106).
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Salam,
Samia and Ahmad Bilal,
You're misunderstanding comes from not reading the PREVIOUS scripture.
There is a very well known traditional Sufi story which illustrates the problem we are seeing in this thread.
An Elephant belonging to a traveling exhibition had been stabled near a town where no elephant had been seen before. Four curious citizens, hearing of the hidden wonder, went to see if they could get a preview of it. When they arrived at the stable they found that there was no light. The investigation therefore had to be carried out in the dark.
One, touching its trunk, thought that the creature must resemble a hose pipe;
the second felt an ear and concluded that it was a fan.
The third, feeling a leg, could liken it only to a living pillar;
and when the fourth put his hand on its back he was convinced that it was some kind of throne.
None could form the complete picture;
and of the part which each felt, he could only refer to it in terms of things which he already knew.
The result of the expedition was confusion.
Each was sure that he was right; none of the other townspeople could understand what had happened, what the investigators had actually experienced.
There are many versions of this story. This one is a retelling by Idries Shah
When you limit your resources and material you study (such as ONLY the Quran or ONLY the Torah) you do not understand the whole picture.
When you study ALL the scriptures....its as if you were given a LIGHT so that you can SEE the Elephant in the dark.
But still those who have only felt the ear, the trunk, the leg or the back will insist that those who have SEEN the elephant are wrong.
Salam,
Arnab -
Salam arnab. Some people dont want to see the elephant. These people believe they are superior because they have a hose.
They can cover the Torah and the Injeel, however Allah is not fooled by their covering. Allah knows what he recited to them, they will be judged by what they covered, they will be judged on what was recited to them.
Allah has sent down a glorious recitation.
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Salaam Arnab
Your analysis of the story of the elephant is up-side-down. Look at all of you who are trying to figure out what the torah is Has it ever existed, was it tampered with or was it pure, is it available and in our grasp or not, was it divine, what language is best to read it...those are the people in the dark trying to figure out what this "creature" is. On the other hand, the answer is very simple turn on the light (it is there...I mean the light). This light is described by God as "guidance to the righteous". You will find the necessary description of the elephant as far as you are concerned. End of story.When you study ALL the scriptures....its as if you were given a LIGHT so that you can SEE the Elephant in the dark.
God incorporated what is necessary and what we need of past scriptures in the qur'aan. The qur'aan is the guidance...the Light.
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Salaam Arnab
Your analysis of the story of the elephant is up-side-down. Look at all of you who are trying to figure out what the torah is Has it ever existed, was it tampered with or was it pure, is it available and in our grasp or not, was it divine, what language is best to read it...those are the people in the dark trying to figure out what this "creature" is. On the other hand, the answer is very simple turn on the light (it is there...I mean the light). This light is described by God as "guidance to the righteous". You will find the necessary description of the elephant as far as you are concerned. End of story.
God incorporated what is necessary and what we need of past scriptures in the qur'aan. The qur'aan is the guidance...the Light.Salam,
I took for granted that it would not be difficult to understand the story. I see from your post above that I was mistaken.
An Elephant belonging to a traveling exhibition had been stabled near a town where no elephant had been seen before. Four curious citizens, hearing of the hidden wonder, went to see if they could get a preview of it. When they arrived at the stable they found that there was no light. The investigation therefore had to be carried out in the dark.
The elephant represents scripture.
One, touching its trunk, thought that the creature must resemble a hose pipe;
the second felt an ear and concluded that it was a fan.
The third, feeling a leg, could liken it only to a living pillar;
and when the fourth put his hand on its back he was convinced that it was some kind of throne.Each person is only reading ONE part of scripture. In some the case of some people they ONLY read the Quran.
None could form the complete picture;
When one does not read ALL the scriptures, they cannot FULLY understand the information contained therein.
and of the part which each felt, he could only refer to it in terms of things which he already knew.
IF all you read is the Quran....you will try to find answers that the QURAN. But the QURAN itself tells you to look elsewhere The previous scriptures.
The result of the expedition was confusion.
Each was sure that he was right;Those who only read the OT are SURE they are RIGHT and everyone else is wrong.
Those who only read the QURAN are sure they are RIGHT and everyone else is wrong.But they are still confused on many points. Why? Because they are not SEEING the Elephant. They are just feeling around in the dark.
none of the other townspeople could understand what had happened, what the investigators had actually experienced.
"You follow NO GOOD until you KEEP UP the TORAH and INJEEL"
Salam,
Arnab -
Peace.
I agree with Samia - you've presented a backwards story regarding the Scripture. If you read through the verse of al-Qur'an, it says that it has the details for everything, it is complete, and it explains all things
"And We placed shields around their hearts, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using al-Qur'an alone, they run away in aversion." (al-Qur'an 1746)
Study the Scripture of al-Qur'an where it mentions these things (6114-115; 1689; 638; 12111), and you'll understand. None of these verses tell us to study these other books also - 1746 says "AL-QUR'AN ALONE", which means we need no other book to complete our picture. Al-Qur'an is even called "the Light" in the Scriptures. God has incorporated everything we need regarding Scripture inside al-Kitaab, which is why it confirms the previous Scriptures. We don't need to study the "Gospels" of Esa to learn about him, not because al-Qur'an gives us all the details of his life, but because al-Qur'an gives us ALL THE DETAILS WE NEED regarding his life and message. All that other stuff in unnecessary, especially considering the fact that the Gospels that we have (Biblical accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are all MAN-MADE BOOKS of Esa's life, similar to reading sunna and hadeeths.
Peace.
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Peace.
I agree with Samia - you've presented a backwards story regarding the Scripture. If you read through the verse of al-Qur'an, it says that it has the details for everything, it is complete, and it explains all things
"And We placed shields around their hearts, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using al-Qur'an alone, they run away in aversion." (al-Qur'an 1746)
Study the Scripture of al-Qur'an where it mentions these things (6114-115; 1689; 638; 12111), and you'll understand. None of these verses tell us to study these other books also - 1746 says "AL-QUR'AN ALONE", which means we need no other book to complete our picture. Al-Qur'an is even called "the Light" in the Scriptures. God has incorporated everything we need regarding Scripture inside al-Kitaab, which is why it confirms the previous Scriptures. We don't need to study the "Gospels" of Esa to learn about him, not because al-Qur'an gives us all the details of his life, but because al-Qur'an gives us ALL THE DETAILS WE NEED regarding his life and message. All that other stuff in unnecessary, especially considering the fact that the Gospels that we have (Biblical accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are all MAN-MADE BOOKS of Esa's life, similar to reading sunna and hadeeths.
Peace.
Salam,
Did you forget ALL of these verses from the Quran?
Part of being a ?believer? is believing in that which is revealed and that which was revealed BEFORE
23 And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are sure of the hereafter.
241 And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear.
290 Evil is that for which they have sold their souls-- that they should deny what Allah has revealed, out of envy that Allah should send down of His grace on whomsoever of His servants He pleases; so they have made themselves deserving of wrath upon wrath, and there is a disgraceful punishment for the unbelievers.
291 And when it is said to them, Believe in what Allah has revealed, they say We believe in that which was revealed to us; and they deny what is besides that, while it is the truth verifying that which they have. Say Why then did you kill Allah's Prophets before if you were indeed believers?
297 Say Whoever is the enemy of Jibreel-- for surely he revealed it to your heart by Allah's command, verifying that which is before it and guidance and good news for the believers.
2136 Say We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.
2285 The messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers; We make no difference between any of His messengers; and they say We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course.
33 He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan.
34 Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah they shall have a severe chastisement; and Allah is Mighty, the Lord of retribution.
384 Say We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and what was given to Musa and Isa and to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.
3199 And most surely of the followers of the Book there are those who believe in Allah and (in) that which has been revealed to you and (in) that which has been revealed to them, being lowly before Allah; they do not take a small price for the communications of Allah; these it is that have their reward with their Lord; surely Allah is quick in reckoning.
447 O you who have been given the Book! believe that which We have revealed, verifying what you have, before We alter faces then turn them on their backs, or curse them as We cursed the violaters of the Sabbath, and the command of Allah shall be executed.
4136 O you who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger and the Book which He revealed before; and whoever disbelieves in Allah and His angels and His messengers and the last day, he indeed strays off into a remote error.
4162 But the firm in knowledge among them and the believers believe in what has been revealed to. you and what was revealed before you, and those who keep up prayers and those who give the poor-rate and the believers in Allah and the last day, these it is whom We will give a mighty reward.
544 Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.
547 And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.
548 And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;
559 Say O followers of the Book! do you find fault with us (for aught) except that we believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed before, and that most of you are transgressors?
566 And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do
568 Say O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people.
692 And this is a Book We have revealed, blessed, verifying that which is before it, and that you may warn the metropolis and those around her; and those who believe in the hereafter believe in it, and they attend to their prayers constantly.
1094 But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.
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They said O our people! we have listened to a Book revealed after Musa verifying that which is before it, guiding to the truth and to a right pathSeveral times the revelation given to Muhammad is called a REMINDER
What are the stories in the Quran REMINDING us about?
A LARGE PORTION is about the previous prophets....
in the PREVIOUS scripture....
Those stories are found in the OLD TESTAMENT AND THE INJEEL!
These stories HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
The written forms have also been with us for THOUSANDS OF YEARS.388 Has the reminder been revealed to him from among us? Nay! they are in doubt as to My reminder. Nay! they have not yet tasted My chastisement!
82 A Book revealed to you-- so let there be no straitness in your breast on account of it-- that you may warn thereby, and a reminder close to the believers.
152 And they say O you to whom the Reminder has been revealed! you are most surely insane
159 Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian.
1244 With clear arguments and scriptures; and We have revealed to you the Reminder that you may make clear to men what has been revealed to them, and that haply they may reflect.
20113 And thus have We sent it down an Arabic Quran, and have distinctly set forth therein of threats that they may guard (against evil) or that it may produce a reminder for them.
2110 Certainly We have revealed to you a Book in which is your good remembrance; what! do you not then understand?
2150And this is a blessed Reminder which We have revealed; will you then deny it?
2951 Is it not enough for them that We have revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Most surely there is mercy in this and a reminder for a people who believe.
2510 Allah has prepared for them severe chastisement, therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah, O men of understanding who believe! Allah has indeed revealed to you a reminder,
What has been revealed before? and to what is the Quran reminding us? This is outlined in the Quran
33 He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan.
348 And He will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat and the Injeel.
350 And a verifier of that which is before me of the Taurat and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden t you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.
543 And how do they make you a judge and they have the Taurat wherein is Allah's judgment? Yet they turn back after that, and these are not the believers.
544 Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.
546 And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).
566 And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they do
568 Say O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people.
5110 When Allah will say O Isa son of Marium! Remember My favor on you and on your mother, when I strengthened you I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said This is nothing but clear enchantment.
7157 Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel (who) enjoins them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so (as for) those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
9111 Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.
4869 Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.
616 And when Isa son of Marium said O children of Israel! surely I am the messenger of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and giving the good news of an Messenger who will come after me, his name being Ahmad, but when he came to them with clear arguments they said This is clear magic.
625 The likeness of those who were charged with the Taurat, then they did not observe it, is as the likeness of the ass bearing books, evil is the likeness of the people who reject the communications of Allah; and Allah does not guide the unjust people.
547 And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.
4163 Surely We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh, and the prophets after him, and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Haroun and Sulaiman and We gave to Dawood the psalms.
1755 And your Lord best knows those who are in the heavens and the earth; and certainly We have made some of the prophets to excel others, and to Dawood We gave a scripture.
Previous scripture is REVELATION from ALLAH
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He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan.543
And how do they make you a judge and they have the Taurat wherein is Allah's judgment? Yet they turn back after that, and these are not the believers.544
Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.545
And We prescribed to them in it that life is for life, and eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for tooth, and (that there is) reprisal in wounds; but he who foregoes it, it shall be an expiation for him; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unjust.546
And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).547
And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.548
And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;YOU follow NO GOOD until you Keep up the Torah and Injeel
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Say O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people.The ones who are GUIDED?.BELIEVE in what was revealed BEFORE?THIS is how we know who is guided as said in al baqarah....
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And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are sure of the hereafter.And this is what is said of those who do NOT believe in previous revelation?..
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O you who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger and the Book which He revealed before; and whoever disbelieves in Allah and His angels and His messengers and the last day, he indeed strays off into a remote error.625
The likeness of those who were charged with the Taurat, then they did not observe it, is as the likeness of the ass bearing books, evil is the likeness of the people who reject the communications of Allah; and Allah does not guide the unjust people.566
And if they had kept up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet there is a party of them keeping to the moderate course, and (as for) most of them, evil is that which they doThe common claim is that previous scripture has been lost or altered.
Those who make such claims are also claiming that THEY DISBELIEVE in the Quran when we are TOLD to uphold previous scripture.
I have given several verses as evidence regarding previous scripture. However, there ARE MANY MORE.
Allah clearly states that HE KNOWS BEST what is in the Heavens and the EARTH (that would include knowing that previous scriptures are STILL here for us to UPHOLD as COMMANDED).?
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And your Lord best knows those who are in the heavens and the earth; and certainly We have made some of the prophets to excel others, and to Dawood We gave a scripture.Salam,
Arnab -
Salam people of this thread. Before claiming that you consider the followers of the Quran, to be the people of the book, LEARN THE MEANING OF THE WORD QURAN.
The word QURAN means "that which is recited" You do yourselves a great WRONG by making a claim that "a particular writing" is Quran. Making such a claim is "your addition to the word of Allah" Which is haram. If Torah, or Zabur, or Injeel, or Quran is RECITED to you it is ALL QURAN. The word Quran INCLUDES Torah, Injeel, and Zabur.
You do yourselves a great evil by rejecting ANY WORD of Allah. If you foolishly claim the authenticity of Allah's word is in doubt, then NONE of Allah's word is good enough for you, you were not present when Allah recited Quran. You would be better off worshipping a newspaper.
Allah is has the mother of the writing.
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Peace Arnab,
"You follow NO GOOD until you KEEP UP the TORAH and INJEEL"
Let?s read in context?
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O Messenger! Proclaim which has been sent down to you from your Lord (the Quran). And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. All?h will protect you from mankind. Verily, All?h guides not the people who disbelieve. Say "You The Book's people, you are not on a thing, until you keep up the Torah and the Injeel, and what was descended to you from your Lord (the Quran)." And what was descended to you from your Lord increases many of them tyranny/arrogance, and disbelief, so do not grieve/sadden on the nation, the disbelieving. Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, - whosoever believed in All?h and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.There is no contradiction; Quran confirms only the truth in prior scriptures (not entire word for word bible whichever books those are) thus preserving their true revelations?
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In their narration (stories there) had been an example to those of the pure minds/hearts (it) was not an information/speech to be fabricated and but confirmation (to) which (is) between his hands and detailing/explaining/clarifying every thing, and guidance, and mercy to (a) nation believing. -
Peace Arnab,
Let?s read in context?
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O Messenger! Proclaim which has been sent down to you from your Lord (the Quran). And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. All?h will protect you from mankind. Verily, All?h guides not the people who disbelieve. Say "You The Book's people, you are not on a thing, until you keep up the Torah and the Injeel, and what was descended to you from your Lord (the Quran)." And what was descended to you from your Lord increases many of them tyranny/arrogance, and disbelief, so do not grieve/sadden on the nation, the disbelieving. Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, - whosoever believed in All?h and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.There is no contradiction; Quran confirms only the truth in prior scriptures (not entire word for word bible whichever books those are) thus preserving their true revelations?
Salam,
By your reasoning then the Quran is not to be followed entirely either...(which is not true)
...Say "You The Book's people, you are not on a thing, until you keep up the Torah and the Injeel, and what was descended to you from your Lord (the Quran)."
Exactly WHERE do you SEE that the WHOLE of the previous scriptures is not to be followed. It does not say this in THIS verse or the others. This is your imagination.
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In their narration (stories there) had been an example to those of the pure minds/hearts (it) was not an information/speech to be fabricated and but confirmation (to) which (is) between his hands and detailing/explaining/clarifying every thing, and guidance, and mercy to (a) nation believing.This verse actually supports my statements.
Salam,
Arnab -
Salaam pvb
samia - you know nothing about Jesus by reading just the Quran and not reading the Gospel. The Quran confirms a scripture and you don't want to read it?
Like what? His temptations for example? The qur'aan tells about Jesus more than it tells about Muhammad or many other messengers. It tells me what is necessary to know. It's not a biography. Give me one confirmed and important detail that the qur'aan overlooked regarding the story of Jesus (or any other prophet/messenger for that matter). Ironically, it's only in hadith that we find details of the life of Muhammad. If I am not concerning myself with details of one messenger, why should I bother about details of other messengers' lives?
Salam,
I took for granted that it would not be difficult to understand the story. I see from your post above that I was mistaken.
An Elephant belonging to a traveling exhibition had been stabled near a town where no elephant had been seen before. Four curious citizens, hearing of the hidden wonder, went to see if they could get a preview of it. When they arrived at the stable they found that there was no light. The investigation therefore had to be carried out in the dark.
The elephant represents scripture.
One, touching its trunk, thought that the creature must resemble a hose pipe;
the second felt an ear and concluded that it was a fan.
The third, feeling a leg, could liken it only to a living pillar;
and when the fourth put his hand on its back he was convinced that it was some kind of throne.Each person is only reading ONE part of scripture. In some the case of some people they ONLY read the Quran.
None could form the complete picture;
When one does not read ALL the scriptures, they cannot FULLY understand the information contained therein.
and of the part which each felt, he could only refer to it in terms of things which he already knew.
IF all you read is the Quran....you will try to find answers that the QURAN. But the QURAN itself tells you to look elsewhere The previous scriptures.
The result of the expedition was confusion.
Each was sure that he was right;Those who only read the OT are SURE they are RIGHT and everyone else is wrong.
Those who only read the QURAN are sure they are RIGHT and everyone else is wrong.But they are still confused on many points. Why? Because they are not SEEING the Elephant. They are just feeling around in the dark.
none of the other townspeople could understand what had happened, what the investigators had actually experienced.
"You follow NO GOOD until you KEEP UP the TORAH and INJEEL"
Salam,
ArnabSalaam Arnab
Yes, you have to put a sign for each part of your story so that it is twisted to your understanding. The qur'aan tells me to believe in previous scriptures (you did not have to cite all the verses), but it also told me that it had copied what is valid in the qur'aan and replaced what is no more valid by better ones. It did not even mention the fabrications and unnecessary additions (which, of course are to be disregarded, no matter which "religion" they emanate from). The qur'aan tells us about messages, not just from the time of Jesus and Moses, but back from Noah. The message is one, revealed in parts and confirmed in the qur'aan . The qur'aan tells us about what was revealed to Noah and the other messengers down to the last one. Please tell us of ONE imporant and indispensible detail revealed in other scriptures that the qur'aan has overlooked.
The word QURAN means "that which is recited" You do yourselves a great WRONG by making a claim that "a particular writing" is Quran.
Salaam Al Araf
Your definition applies to "a qur'aan a great recitation". What we have is the great recitation AL qur'aan, or as Ayman puts it The Great Reading, because the pattern "fa3laan" is an emphatic pattern. The non-emphatic/standard pattern is "qiraa'a recitation". So, yes, you are partially right the other scriptures are recitations, but Al qur'aan is THE great reading/mother of all readings. -
Salaam pvbLike what? His temptations for example? The qur'aan tells about Jesus more than it tells about Muhammad or many other messengers. It tells me what is necessary to know. It's not a biography. Give me one confirmed and important detail that the qur'aan overlooked regarding the story of Jesus (or any other prophet/messenger for that matter). Ironically, it's only in hadith that we find details of the life of Muhammad. If I am not concerning myself with details of one messenger, why should I bother about details of other messengers' lives?
Have you READ the Gospel in ARAMAIC to make this statement or are you reciting only what others have told you?
Salaam Arnab
Yes, you have to put a sign for each part of your story so that it is twisted to your understanding.
rotfl No, its a well established story that has been told for centuries to illustrate similiar examples and the meanings are clear.
Even Wikipedia has an article on it LOL
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Men_and_an_Elephant
The qur'aan tells me to believe in previous scriptures (you did not have to cite all the verses), but it also told me that it had copied what is valid in the qur'aan and replaced what is no more valid by better ones.
No, it does not say that.
It did not even mention the fabrications and unnecessary additions (which, of course are to be disregarded, no matter which "religion" they emanate from). The qur'aan tells us about messages, not just from the time of Jesus and Moses, but back from Noah. The message is one, revealed in parts and confirmed in the qur'aan . The qur'aan tells us about what was revealed to Noah and the other messengers down to the last one.
The Quran summarizes, reminds, and confirms (among other things). The details are in the previous scripture. You cannot be REMINDED if you do not have the FULL stories to be reminded about. You cannot understand the summaries if you don't know the FULL stories that are summarized and you do not know what is being confirmed or corrected if you have no other basis for your information other than the correction of confirmation itself.
Please tell us of ONE imporant and indispensible detail revealed in other scriptures that the qur'aan has overlooked.
The KEY WORD in that above statement is DETAIL. The DETAILS for many things are in previous scripture.
Prayer, and observation DETAILS of Holy days to name two very important DETAILS that are in previous scripture. Not to say that the Quran does not mention them. But the DETAILS are in the previous scriptures.
The following is directed to the readers of this thread
When someone makes a statement about a subject without having knowledge about the subject other than heresay, they are only parroting what others have told them.
Let me be more specific
When someone says that the previous scripture is filled with lies, has been changed, or is not revelation
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They have not read these scriptures in their ORIGINAL languages,They are speaking about that which they HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE and merely parroting what others have told them.
Now, if someone says that they have read the previous scripture in Hebrew and Aramaic an intelligent discussion can ensue.
Salam,
Arnab