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    Dotty
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    Peace,

    When I was pregnant with my children, many people referred to my baby as "he". So what? All it really meant is that the gender was unknown. Why is it so important to figure out whether God is a male or female? As I read earlier... "he" is a gender free word in the arabic language. Is that hard to understand? If it's a gender free word then it makes perfect sense... since God has no gender.

    Blessing to all!

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      curtly
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      'Where' is truth?

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        sirohey
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        He dwells within us and without us ... He sees through every eye and hears through every ear. He surrounds everything and His forces are by everyones sides at all times. He is not bound by space nor by time. We cannot understand this concept till we give up this concept of time ... time is a created thing .... GOD created time ... He dwells on all sides of time .. the past the present the future .... and outside of time altogether.

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          Alen
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          peace all
          so where is God?
          since he sees and hears all, is he literally everywhere? at several places at the same time?

          Peace,
          Respectfully.

          On the Throne.
          Throne is apparently so huge that the universe is nothing to it.
          If the Throne is bigger then the universe, then you can imagine what Earth is.
          Or humans.

          I saw the view from the plane when i was coming to Slovenija, yesterday.... trust me, we are truly very little and our houses are less then just little models from space. We should really get along.

          Glory be to God.
          Glory be to God, The AllPowerful.
          God can see and hear ALL.
          God is Able to do ALL Things.
          He creats but isn't created.
          The Originator.

          Peace.

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            anders
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            so where is God? since he sees and hears all, is he literally everywhere? at several places at the same time?

            He is defined as omnipresent which means he is everything there is which means you are him.
            So is your perceived enemy.
            But since you are finite, he is infinitely more than you.
            Spiritually growing up means becoming more (aware) of him, expand your awareness. Which is a difficult thing to do if you limit your info sources to only one book.

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              anthonywallace
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              peace all

              so where is God?

              since he sees and hears all, is he literally everywhere? at several places at the same time?

              peace

              Allah is in heaven.

              peace

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                anders
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                Then Allah is not omnipresent and therefore not the highest god-source but a created creator-god.
                The omnipresent one is in every cell and atom of my body. peace

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                  IronSky
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                  Peace to all,

                  wow anders, you know alot about God and his atributes, whered you get all this knowledge and authority from?

                  Kurt

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                    AlFajr
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                    anders,
                    1118 And who is more wicked than one who invents lies about God? They will be displayed before their Lord, and the witnesses will say ?These are the ones who lied about their Lord.? Alas, God?s curse will be upon the wicked.

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                      Ahmad_Bilal
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                      peace

                      Allah is in heaven.

                      peace

                      What do you mean by "heaven"? Do you mean "in the sky"???

                      Peace.

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                        anders
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                        You did not ask me but here's my answer anyway

                        Heaven is all of the multi dimensional creation including earth. Paradise is its core.

                        What we know as earth and its 'sky' is only a limited 3D perception of our own making/illusion.
                        Some cal it prison planet but its actually a nursery. A virtual reality from where we as a very juvenile species are destined to 'graduate'.

                        Many ufo stories are actually earth based.
                        Either from other dimensions or secret military stuff.
                        But extra terrestrial visitors seen and unseen ('gods' from 'the sky' walking among men) have always been a reality as well, nowadays research on that has become easy and conclusive.

                        From here you do not go to paradise!!!
                        That would be like an infant going to university. o
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                          anders
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                          wow anders, you know alot about God and his atributes, whered you get all this knowledge and authority from?
                          Try seeking with a free-mind.

                          If you assume to know, you can not receive. (free will directive)
                          If you dare to go 'naked', leave all (learned belief) you own behind and ASK, then you shall receive.

                          @ aalmakto
                          inventing is not the same as erring. I am confident to have done neither.
                          Quoting verses is what people do when they have nothing to say.
                          I suggest some free thinking of your own. If you err, god will not be angry, but amused and happy that you finally took courage to try.

                          Just like any parent is amused and happy when they see child attempting but initially failing to grow up.
                          Allah is a most perfect parent. Not the boogie man that the clergy make of him.

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                            anthonywallace
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                            What do you mean by "heaven"? Do you mean "in the sky"???

                            Peace.

                            what do you think it mean??? Where do you think its at???

                            peace

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                              Ahmad_Bilal
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                              what do you think it mean??? Where do you think its at???

                              peace

                              Ummm... Not in the sky... Al-Qur'an mentions God as being "omniscient", everywhere at once. Also, since The God is All-Powerful and Glorious, He doesn't dwell within the limits of His creation. Since He created the "heavens", then He doesn't live in the heavens. He lives beyond our scope of understanding - He is everywhere and among everything. He doesn't sit on a giant throne in the sky, neither does He reside in a fleshly form amongst humans.

                              Peace.

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                                anders
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                                Since He created the "heavens", then He doesn't live in the heavens. He lives beyond our scope of understanding - He is everywhere and among everything. He doesn't sit on a giant throne in the sky, neither does He reside in a fleshly form amongst humans.
                                Erroneous thinking.
                                If he does't live in his creation, he is not omnipresent.
                                He is where his creation is, he is in you. Every atom of you, every thought of you.
                                The only difference between you and him is your limited awareness.

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                                  anthonywallace
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                                  Ummm... Not in the sky... Al-Qur'an mentions God as being "omniscient", everywhere at once. Also, since The God is All-Powerful and Glorious, He doesn't dwell within the limits of His creation. Since He created the "heavens", then He doesn't live in the heavens. He lives beyond our scope of understanding - He is everywhere and among everything. He doesn't sit on a giant throne in the sky, neither does He reside in a fleshly form amongst humans.

                                  Peace.

                                  If He is in heaven looking down on and seeing everything, werever u turn is His presence.

                                  He sits on the throne, and He sees all that goes on on Earthand in heaven...

                                  And He is in heaven...

                                  To say He is everywere is to say you Allah, or I killed Allah...or He is that fly...ect......

                                  everywere is His presence cause He sees all, from heaven above...and nothing is hidden from Him...

                                  The Quran even says and the previous Scriptures say that God is in heaven... And He sends down to us our provitions from heaven...

                                  Now if u want to get metaphofcic or whatever, then bring quranic evedence to support ur claims...

                                  But, the Quran says that He is in heaven, also the bible says He in heaven... And my understandin of these verses is, " He is in heaven." Cause thats what it says...And thats what it means... we can always try to make it out to be something else. But I choose to keep it simple and try not to cause confussion...

                                  peace

                                  Erroneous thinking.
                                  If he does't live in his creation, he is not omnipresent.
                                  He is where his creation is, he is in you. Every atom of you, every thought of you.
                                  The only difference between you and him is your limited awareness.

                                  If there had been gods in them as they say, then they would have tryed to gain a way to the Throne. God be glorified above all they set up...

                                  If there was a god in them, them each god would have took what He created and tryed to over take each other...

                                  If there was a god in them, then they would have been ruined...

                                  peace

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                                    Ahmad_Bilal
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                                    Erroneous thinking.
                                    If he does't live in his creation, he is not omnipresent.
                                    He is where his creation is, he is in you. Every atom of you, every thought of you.
                                    The only difference between you and him is your limited awareness.

                                    If God lives INSIDE His creation, then how is He all-powerful? Nothing in the limits of human thought can equal "Almighty", nothing. He is beyond us, yet His presence is everywhere.

                                    If He is in heaven looking down on and seeing everything, werever u turn is His presence.
                                    He sits on the throne, and He sees all that goes on on Earthand in heaven...

                                    If this is the case, then how can God be closer to us than out "jugular vein" as is stated in al-Qur'an? If He's high above the earth sitting on a giant throne, then that means He's nowhere near us - He's far out in space. But al-Qur'an disagrees with that belief, at least from my understanding...

                                    Peace.

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                                      If God lives INSIDE His creation, then how is He all-powerful? Nothing in the limits of human thought can equal "Almighty", nothing. He is beyond us, yet His presence is everywhere.

                                      If this is the case, then how can God be closer to us than out "jugular vein" as is stated in al-Qur'an? If He's high above the earth sitting on a giant throne, then that means He's nowhere near us - He's far out in space. But al-Qur'an disagrees with that belief, at least from my understanding...

                                      Peace.

                                      Were is the jugler vein? Is it inside us? You just said that God caint live inside of us...He is the one who created you. Should He not know His creation?

                                      What you have to understand is that God isnt in la, or in chicago, ect... but He is above looking down on la and chicago...and the whole world... He knows everthing that goes on on earth and everything that comes out and goes into the Earth...And the same way He look down on earth he is in control of everthing bthat goes on in heaven also, were He is...

                                      How can He be far when He sees all that goes on on earth and in heaven?

                                      All I know is that God is in heaven. And that is what Quran says. And the previous scripture... peace

                                      peace

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                                        anders
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                                        I strongly suggest to do away with all books and intellectual folly.
                                        Look at nature, the only book god ever wrote himself.

                                        you can easily see that nature has a repetitive system, it is holographic by design.

                                        Observe a tree. God-source is the trunk, you are a leaf.
                                        Which means your immediate creator is not god-source but his created creator-twig you are hanging on.
                                        Yet, all branches, twigs and leaves are nourished by him and follow his creative rules.

                                        You can also see a leave as our universe among countless universes in the omniverse. Holographic, remember?

                                        Observe the many wonders in nature and you will be connected with all knowledge you seek.

                                        The so called pagan tree worshipers knew what they were doing, they understood creation and saw the tree was its perfect symbol.
                                        The so called cow worshipers (hindu's) know what they are doing, they understand that the giving character of a cow is a perfect symbol of gods love.
                                        Granting its life giving nectar/milk to all who want it. Even to 'alien' species like humans, even when these humans eventually eat her. Beautiful.
                                        It is the physically oriented and spiritually ignorant that can do no other than to misunderstand this and assume it is the meat of the cow that is worshiped.

                                        The example of the tree also shows that monotheism is erroneous, therefore not a teaching of god.
                                        Truth is mono-source-ism that includes many creator gods/branches. (hinduism Brahma created all gods)
                                        The belief in one god only, is only one god away from godlessness. When introduced to early, the law of economics dictate war over a very scarce and much valued commodity the only remaining god.
                                        This leads to the conclusion that monotheism is an untimely introduced distorted truth, and distortion and untimeliness are standard tricks of satan, who knows how to 'play the truth'.
                                        Just observe the bloody history of monotheist cultures and the sad state of the world that is its result.

                                        Now read the tora again (accepted as gods word by quran) and you will see more than one god mentioned.
                                        But all gods/branches are the one tree. As are the leaves/twigs/you.
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                                          The example of the tree also shows that monotheism is erroneous, therefore not a teaching of god.
                                          Truth is mono-source-ism that includes many creator gods/branches. (hinduism Brahma created all gods)
                                          The belief in one god only, is only one god away from godlessness. When introduced to early, the law of economics dictate war over a very scarce and much valued commodity the only remaining god.
                                          This leads to the conclusion that monotheism is an untimely introduced distorted truth, and distortion and untimeliness are standard tricks of satan, who knows how to 'play the truth'.
                                          Just observe the bloody history of monotheist cultures and the sad state of the world that is its result.

                                          Now read the tora again (accepted as gods word by quran) and you will see more than one god mentioned.
                                          But all gods/branches are the one tree. As are the leaves/twigs/you.

                                          Why, then, does the Torah and al-Qur'an describe The God as "ONE GOD"? If there are really many gods deserving of worshippers, why does God call those who worship them "idolators"? What was He referring to when He instructed us to follow the religion/belief/creed/milla of Ibraheem?

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