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where is Allah?

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    amuslim
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    Peace,

    I was watching a lecture regarding this question from the IRF (Islamic Research Foundation), which Dr Zakir Naik is a part of. I dont know the name of the speaker, but he was saying about people who say that God is Omnipresent. He said that thought was Kufr, and that God is in arsh, the throne. I thought, if he truely thinks this way, his way of thinking is more kufr then God being Omnipresent, or in no location at all.

    Peace

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      Zulf
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      you know, religious unquestionable dogma

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        amin
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        GOD the controller of the total system or one whos in arsh(throne) makes more sense than the omnipresent thing.
        he has given us the 6th sense or the power to do certain things which GOD only can do otherwise.
        ie like going against GOD's system, yet he is the controller, change us or make us repent when we transgressed the limit, we are able to understand our mistakes as k for forgiveness and do good to nullify the mistakes.

        for ex... theres this global warming which is man made and we are know able to sense it and do things to reduce that and to save our earth.

        no other creations go against GOD's system, except human with their god given ability.

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          Zulf
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          well, what makes sense and what doesn't pretty much depends on what idea or image we have of God, and that's quite a tricky one. We can't understand God and we are not to associate anything with God...

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            amuslim
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            Peace Amin

            GOD the controller of the total system or one whos in arsh(throne) makes more sense than the omnipresent thing.
            he has given us the 6th sense or the power to do certain things which GOD only can do otherwise.
            ie like going against GOD's system, yet he is the controller, change us or make us repent when we transgressed the limit, we are able to understand our mistakes as k for forgiveness and do good to nullify the mistakes.

            for ex... theres this global warming which is man made and we are know able to sense it and do things to reduce that and to save our earth.

            no other creations go against GOD's system, except human with their god given ability.

            If arsh is literally a place, wouldn't that mean that God is confined to a certain point? Then again, the same could be said about if God could lie, or make a boulder too heavy for him to lift, and still be omnipotent.

            Peace

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              Peace,

              Then again, the same could be said about if God could lie, or make a boulder too heavy for him to lift, and still be omnipotent.

              This is refuted here

              http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14430.0 (great read)

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                nimnimak_11
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                Peace,

                Try to think of a place where the god does not exist, or where he cannot exist. ???

                Peace all

                Good thread
                and a good reminding question bravo

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                  pvb
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                  Hell? He visited it once, but is no longer there.

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                    sirohey
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                    God is "everywhere". The Universe was created by GOD in seven Layers (seven Heavens) (seven Strengths). He is firmly established on the thrown and we are currently under the lowest "heaven" or "layer". He surrounds "Everything" ... so He surrounds the Universe from ALL sides. His Spirit and Angels regulate everything in the Universe at HIS command. 2 Angels are by our side at ALL times ... protecting us by the Command of GOD and recording all that we say and do ...one of them will be our witness and one our marcher on the DAY. The Quran is not "just" a literal piece of reading ... it has many hidden meanings which only those chosen by God can understand. The understanding only comes with reading it over and over and over and correlating everything in it. The light starts to shine throw clearly when GOD choses to let it shine on someone. Mankind has lost its footing and the promised punishment will come.

                    God Sees thrown every eye and He Hears throw every ear ... HE is everywhere. All livings things were created from fluid (Maa), Maa is fluid not water .... but water is a fluid. So what do you think GOD is IF 'everything" living came from fluid??

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                      Dotty
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                      Peace,

                      When I was pregnant with my children, many people referred to my baby as "he". So what? All it really meant is that the gender was unknown. Why is it so important to figure out whether God is a male or female? As I read earlier... "he" is a gender free word in the arabic language. Is that hard to understand? If it's a gender free word then it makes perfect sense... since God has no gender.

                      Blessing to all!

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                        curtly
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                        'Where' is truth?

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                          sirohey
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                          He dwells within us and without us ... He sees through every eye and hears through every ear. He surrounds everything and His forces are by everyones sides at all times. He is not bound by space nor by time. We cannot understand this concept till we give up this concept of time ... time is a created thing .... GOD created time ... He dwells on all sides of time .. the past the present the future .... and outside of time altogether.

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                            Alen
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                            peace all
                            so where is God?
                            since he sees and hears all, is he literally everywhere? at several places at the same time?

                            Peace,
                            Respectfully.

                            On the Throne.
                            Throne is apparently so huge that the universe is nothing to it.
                            If the Throne is bigger then the universe, then you can imagine what Earth is.
                            Or humans.

                            I saw the view from the plane when i was coming to Slovenija, yesterday.... trust me, we are truly very little and our houses are less then just little models from space. We should really get along.

                            Glory be to God.
                            Glory be to God, The AllPowerful.
                            God can see and hear ALL.
                            God is Able to do ALL Things.
                            He creats but isn't created.
                            The Originator.

                            Peace.

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                              anders
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                              so where is God? since he sees and hears all, is he literally everywhere? at several places at the same time?

                              He is defined as omnipresent which means he is everything there is which means you are him.
                              So is your perceived enemy.
                              But since you are finite, he is infinitely more than you.
                              Spiritually growing up means becoming more (aware) of him, expand your awareness. Which is a difficult thing to do if you limit your info sources to only one book.

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                                anthonywallace
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                                peace all

                                so where is God?

                                since he sees and hears all, is he literally everywhere? at several places at the same time?

                                peace

                                Allah is in heaven.

                                peace

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                                  anders
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                                  Then Allah is not omnipresent and therefore not the highest god-source but a created creator-god.
                                  The omnipresent one is in every cell and atom of my body. peace

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                                    IronSky
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                                    Peace to all,

                                    wow anders, you know alot about God and his atributes, whered you get all this knowledge and authority from?

                                    Kurt

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                                      AlFajr
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                                      anders,
                                      1118 And who is more wicked than one who invents lies about God? They will be displayed before their Lord, and the witnesses will say ?These are the ones who lied about their Lord.? Alas, God?s curse will be upon the wicked.

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                                        Ahmad_Bilal
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                                        peace

                                        Allah is in heaven.

                                        peace

                                        What do you mean by "heaven"? Do you mean "in the sky"???

                                        Peace.

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                                          anders
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                                          You did not ask me but here's my answer anyway

                                          Heaven is all of the multi dimensional creation including earth. Paradise is its core.

                                          What we know as earth and its 'sky' is only a limited 3D perception of our own making/illusion.
                                          Some cal it prison planet but its actually a nursery. A virtual reality from where we as a very juvenile species are destined to 'graduate'.

                                          Many ufo stories are actually earth based.
                                          Either from other dimensions or secret military stuff.
                                          But extra terrestrial visitors seen and unseen ('gods' from 'the sky' walking among men) have always been a reality as well, nowadays research on that has become easy and conclusive.

                                          From here you do not go to paradise!!!
                                          That would be like an infant going to university. o
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