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    belH
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    I am turning to my Lord... pr

    peace

    Peace

    Well; all of us should turn to our God.

    Moreover, all of us are equal in front of God, and all of us will be judged if we reject or accept the truth from Him. Such truths are in the Book, and will be recited to us by the ones who will be witness upon us in the Day of Judgement.
    You, Wakas, Samia, Arnab, and everybody else can be the ones who remind others with the Truth, and then, you will gain the Rank among Witnesses in the Day of Judgement. Nevertheless, you will have the day when others will remind you with the truth from your Lord, when you make mistakes.

    May God increase your and everybody Knowledge and wisdom.
    Peace

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      Peace Wallace"
      The following is a Quote from you

      Pay attention and try to understand what I mean. The food that you put into your mouth doesn?t make you unclean and unfit to worship God.

      End Quote.

      So, if I eat Pork or Blood or Dead animal I'm still fit to worship Allah?

      Peace

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        Peace Wallace"
        The following is a Quote from you

        Pay attention and try to understand what I mean. The food that you put into your mouth doesn?t make you unclean and unfit to worship God.

        End Quote.

        So, if I eat Pork or Blood or Dead animal I'm still fit to worship Allah?

        Peace

        peace

        The only food I find in what is inspired to me forbidden is what is being recited to you...

        If you are forced to eat it without being disobedient, then God is forgiving , merciful...( this verse right here tells that if u eat it doesnt make you unfit to worship God, but it is the disobediance that makes you unfit ( what has entered your heart...to my understanding thus far...)

        If you eat pork then it will go into your stomach and then out of your body... But it wont go into your heart... What is in your heart ( Expl willfully eating pork while you know that it is forbidden, and delibritly doin it while you know ) is what make u unfit to worship Allah...( again this me personally speakin so I dont have no hardcore eveidence to support this except the verses that im qoutin from...and my understanding of these verses...)

        The food that u put into your mouth cannot make you unclean and unfit to worship God...

        This is a qoute from the Gospel, and I believe in the gospel...And it makes sence to me...( unless its another fabrication hmm)

        It is the bad words/ blasmy that come out of your mouth is what makes u unfit to worship Allah...what come out of your mouth come from the heart...And God calls us to accout for what has entered our hearts not our body, to my understandin...what is in your heart is what make u unfit...

        There is no sin upon those who believe and do good works for what they eat/ate/or consume if they are aware and believe and do good...God loves the good doers...

        To my understandin what is in your "body" doesnt make u unfit and unclean. But what is in your "heart" is what makes you unfit and unclean.

        This is only to my understandin...then on the other hand eating pig is " vile." So if pig is vile then eatin it is vile and i guess that makes a person vile ( unfit ) too ???

        What do u think about it ? Do u think it makes u unfit to worship Allah??? Or am I miss something???

        peace

        Peace

        Well; all of us should turn to our God.

        Moreover, all of us are equal in front of God, and all of us will be judged if we reject or accept the truth from Him. Such truths are in the Book, and will be recited to us by the ones who will be witness upon us in the Day of Judgement.
        You, Wakas, Samia, Arnab, and everybody else can be the ones who remind others with the Truth, and then, you will gain the Rank among Witnesses in the Day of Judgement. Nevertheless, you will have the day when others will remind you with the truth from your Lord, when you make mistakes.

        May God increase your and everybody Knowledge and wisdom.
        Peace

        peace

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          What do u think about it ? Do u think it makes u unfit to worship Allah??? Or am I miss something???

          Peace,
          Here are the answers from Allah

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          O you who believe! Eat of the lawful things that We have provided you with, and be grateful to All?h, if it is indeed He Whom you worship. (172) He has forbidden you only the Maitah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of pig, and that which is slaughtered as a scrifice for others than All?h. But if one is forced by necessity without willful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, All?h is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (173) Verily, those who conceal what All?h has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain therewith (of worldly things), they eat into their bellies nothing but fire. All?h will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor purify them, and theirs will be a painful torment. (2-174)

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          So eat of that (meat) on which All?h's Name has been pronounced, if you are believers in His Ay?t (11 And why should you not eat of that (meat) on which All?h's Name has been pronounced, while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under compulsion of necessity? And surely many do lead astray by their own desires through lack of knowledge. Certainly your Lord knows best the transgressors (119) Leave sin, open and secret. Verily, those who commit sin will get due recompense for that which they used to commit (120) Eat not of that on which All?h's Name has not been pronounced, for sure it is Fisq (a sin and disobedience of All?h). And certainly, the Shay?tin (devils) do inspire their friends to dispute with you, and if you obey them, then you would indeed be Mushrik?n (121) Is he who was dead and We gave him life and set for him a light whereby he can walk amongst men? like him who is in the darkness from which he can never come out? Thus it is made fairseeming to the disbelievers that which they used to do. (6-122)

          Moreover

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          O you who believe! Eat not Rib? (usury)] doubled and multiplied, but fear All?h that you may be successful. (130) And fear the Fire, which is prepared for the disbelievers. (3-131)

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          Verily, those who unjustly eat up the property of orphans, they eat up only a fire into their bellies, and they will be burnt in the blazing Fire! (4-10)

          If a believer earns his income from usury or by stealing the orphans money, and uses that money to buy food, such food will make him unfit.

          Peace

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            Peace,
            Please note that when you claim that you are the Messenger of Allah, you are intimidating people. You are asking people to stop thinking and follow your interpretation, which can agrees or disagrees with theirs. And that is why most of people in this forum will try to resist such power over them, which can lead them Astray if they would blindly trust you.

            Peace

            Salaam,

            Why Resist???
            I cannot understand everyone should resist person named Anthony Wallace just because HE draws the attention of people at this forum to the message from the Qur?an?

            Blind followers in this foum???
            First of all no one blindly follows anyone in this forum there is a debate on many subjects including the one by yourself about the Soul and, since many on this forum have their own set mindset it rarely results in blind following.

            How come Anthony Wallace is more capable of leading people astray than

            AYMAN, who believe that Ramadan last for only ten days and always falls in July or Arnold Yasin, who believes that Mary was secretly married to Josef, or Leythe who believes in code 19, or some women who refuse to accept that the Qur?an allows more than one wife or A_A who called an irresponsible man a Momin just for taking one wife after another ???

            In what way does anthonywallace said anything that is against the Quran? He is calling himself nothing but a human messenger and we are all human messengers, some of gossip some of idle talk and some who go beyond that?

            Who is more capable of leading many astray than one who tries to superimpose his own image on God?s, passing judgement and striving to have the last word?

            Look at these quotes from anthonywallace and then tell me how they are flawed

            ...that I am one of Gods messengers

            When I command you not to serve except God, and I order rigeousness

            God still sends human messengers to inspire whoever He chooses... Muhammad was the last prohet... but not the last messenger

            Stay away from them Pharises and teachers! They are like blind people leading other blind people , they all will fall into a ditch.

            peace

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              Salaam,

              AYMAN, who believe that Ramadan last for only ten days

              Peace'
              And that how Wallace believe

              Im goin with 3 or 4 days as meaning "a few", however i believe it can be ten also, i dont know thoe because ten seems to me alittle more than a few. Ten to me is a few x 2.

              Agreement ( Fasting)

              Desired results-

              1. Fast for 3 or 4 days in the month of Ramadan. 2184 - 185

              Guidelines-

              (1.) Fast for a few ( 3 or 4 ) number of days; however, if any of you is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days; and as for those who can do so but with difficulty, they may redeem by feeding the needy. And whoever does good voluntarily, then it is better for him. And if you fast it is better for you if you knew. 2184

              (2.)It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are God?s boundaries, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God makes His revelations clear to the people that they may be righteous. 2187

              (3.) And remember God during a few (3 or 4 ) number of days. Whoever hurries to two days, there is no sin upon him; and whoever delays, there is no sin upon him if he is being righteous. And be aware of God, and know that it is to Him that you will be gathered. 2203

              Accountabilities-

              (1.) Eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then complete the fast until night; 2187

              Consequenses

              Rewards -

              3335 Surely, the submitting men, and the submitting women, the believing men, and the believing women, the dutiful men, and the dutiful women, the truthful men, and the truthful women, the patient men, and the patient women, the humble men, and the humble women, the charitable men, and the charitable women, the fasting men, and the fasting women, the men who keep covered their private parts, and the women who similarly keep covered, and the men who commemorate God frequently, and the commemorating women; God has prepared for them a forgiveness and a great recompense.

              O0

              Now, if Wallac is Rassol Allah, then his opinion will influense everybody.
              No one can disobey God's Messanger; thus, Should I Fast for three days?
              Please read my opinion in
              http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
              Peace

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                Peace,
                Here are the answers from Allah

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                O you who believe! Eat of the lawful things that We have provided you with, and be grateful to All?h, if it is indeed He Whom you worship. (172) He has forbidden you only the Maitah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of pig, and that which is slaughtered as a scrifice for others than All?h. But if one is forced by necessity without willful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, All?h is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (173) Verily, those who conceal what All?h has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain therewith (of worldly things), they eat into their bellies nothing but fire. All?h will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor purify them, and theirs will be a painful torment. (2-174)

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                Peace

                peace

                Again,

                If you are forced to eat it without being disobedient and transgressing, then God is forgiving , merciful...

                This verse right here tells that if u eat it, it doesnt make you unfit to worship God, but it is the disobediance and transgresion in a person that makes you unfit ...

                There is no sin upon those who believe for what they eat if they are aware and believe and do good...

                Peace,
                Here are the answers from Allah

                Verily, those who conceal what All?h has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain therewith (of worldly things), they eat into their bellies nothing but fire. All?h will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor purify them, and theirs will be a painful torment. (2-174)

                So eat of that (meat) on which All?h's Name has been pronounced, if you are believers in His Ay?t (11 And why should you not eat of that (meat) on which All?h's Name has been pronounced, while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under compulsion of necessity? And surely many do lead astray by their own desires through lack of knowledge. Certainly your Lord knows best the transgressors (119) Leave sin, open and secret. Verily, those who commit sin will get due recompense for that which they used to commit (120) Eat not of that on which All?h's Name has not been pronounced, for sure it is Fisq (a sin and disobedience of All?h). And certainly, the Shay?tin (devils) do inspire their friends to dispute with you, and if you obey them, then you would indeed be Mushrik?n (121) Is he who was dead and We gave him life and set for him a light whereby he can walk amongst men? like him who is in the darkness from which he can never come out? Thus it is made fairseeming to the disbelievers that which they used to do. (6-122)

                Moreover

                O you who believe! Eat not Rib? (usury)] doubled and multiplied, but fear All?h that you may be successful. (130) And fear the Fire, which is prepared for the disbelievers. (3-131)

                Verily, those who unjustly eat up the property of orphans, they eat up only a fire into their bellies, and they will be burnt in the blazing Fire! (4-10)

                If a believer earns his income from usury or by stealing the orphans money, and uses that money to buy food, such food will make him unfit.

                Peace

                The above is due to a disease in the heart and disobeidence. Or it is the result of such...

                God calls us to accout for what has entered our hearts not our body,...what is in your heart is what make u unfit..

                the food that u put into your "body" doesnt make u unfit and unclean. But what is in your "heart" is what makes you unfit and unclean.

                If you eat up the orhans food unjustly then that is because you have a bad heart...Or if you demand usury while you know the law, but u do not give it up, then you have a bad heart,and if you dont mention Gods name over your food u are indeed strayed, and those who coceal what Allah has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain theirwith , they have disease in their heart, ,, an those who have bad hearts what they gain from it and eat is the Fire ( While they think they eatin good food )...they are eating as the cattle eat...

                The food ( Fire) you put into your body doesent go into the heart, but into the stomach...And then out of your body...it doesent stay there...

                God is forgiver, merciful...

                Thats what I get out of it all these verses...

                peace hmm

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                  Peace'
                  And that how Wallace believe

                  Now, if Wallac is Rassol Allah, then his opinion will influense everybody.
                  No one can disobey God's Messanger; thus, Should I Fast for three days?
                  Please read my opinion in
                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
                  Peace

                  peace

                  Yes you should fast for three days...if His messenger says so...

                  If we are using the word few... we all know that a " few" is

                  not too many/ middling/ several/ a small number/ a handful/ not so many as one might expect / a number that can be counted on ones fingers/ 3 or 4...

                  thus 10 days would be two handfuls instead of one...But on the contrary ten is also a number that can be counted on fingers ( but using both hands )

                  5 days would be one handful/ middling...

                  several = more than two or three but not many ( about 4 or 6 )...

                  With all of this I would suggest one to fast 3-10 days untill further notice... And whoever hurrys to two days then there is no sin upon them if they are being righteous...

                  3- 10 days would be a good suggestion to make because there is no specific number mentioned ( e.g. the numbers 3 nor ten nor 30 days ). 3 would be the minimum and ten being the max fast days for the month of Rahmadan...

                  peace

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                    However, the word few is most commonly defined as 3...and has been always known as such...

                    Therefore, 3 or 4 is closer to being a " few " than 10 is...

                    eat

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                      This is what I see

                      First of all, be aware of God and obey me. police

                      If you fast for 3 days it is acceptable, and if you fast 10 days it is acceptable, and if you fast 30 days it is acceptable... handshake

                      And whatever good you put forth for yourselves you will find it with Allah...

                      And He will hold you for what you "intend." elektro

                      And whoever can fast,but with difficulty; eat eat then he may redeem by feeding a poor person handshake ...but if u fast then that is better for you if you only knew... ! muscle

                      And if can only fast 2 days then there is no sin upon you if you are being righteous. eat

                      " Let each work according to his own, your Lord is fully aware of who is best guided to the path." jedi

                      O you who believe, do not be seperated, hold firmly to the rope of God, all of you. And remember Gods blessing upon you when you were enemys and He united your hearts. Then you became, with His blessing, as brothers; group and you were on the edge of a pit of fire and He saved you from it; police it is thus that God clarifies for you His signs that you may be guided. jedi

                      And let there be a nation from amonst you which calls towards goodness, and orders kindness, and deters from evil. And these are the successful ones. group

                      And do not be like those who seperated and differed after the clarity had come to them. And for them is a painful retribution. elektro voodoo voodoo elektro confused confused

                      God is fully aware of their number. And none know them except a few.

                      There is no specific number mention. nope This means that each individual will be held for what they intend, and each individual shall fast according to their way... handshake

                      As long as you fast 3 or more days in the month of ramadan, then it is acceptable... handshake

                      And Rahmadan is hear and this is end of discussion about it,the truth has come from your Lord, while falshood has perished. falshood is always bound to perish! jedi...unless im missin somethig hmm Hey im only a human messenger, i make mistakes too...

                      peace

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                        Peace,

                        This is what I see

                        First of all, be aware of God and obey me. police

                        This is where you lost me.

                        The Qu'ran repeatedly says "Obey God and the Messenger;" but that doesn't mean that because someone comes up to us and says they are a Messenger and recites scripture that we should obey them.

                        3367 And they will say ?Our Lord, we have obeyed our leaders and our learned ones, but they misled us from the path.?

                        Save us from this, Lord! We have learned this lesson from the Sunni.

                        And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for." (1736)

                        If you ask me to accept what you say on religion without explaining where in the Qu'ran you got that from then you are violating that command from God. Also, if you provide proof from the Qu'ran to support you but it is taken out of context or mistranslated or otherwise distorted from it's true meaning, then you are not delivering the Message and are not a Messenger and I ought not to obey you. We have learned this lesson from the Submitters.

                        I don't have any aversion to you or what you believe, but I think those of us here already have the Message (in several mediums and translations) and so do not need the Messenger. Deciphering the message is what our goal is here, not finding a Messenger to decipher it for us (they would not be a Messenger but a Decipherer or Interpreter, and the Qu'ran does not say to follow those). But I only speak for myself. Thanks for your concern though!

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                          farida
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                          Peace'
                          And that how Wallace believe

                          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
                          Peace

                          Salaam brother Belalhammad,

                          Thank you for informing us of A. Wallac's view on fasting, I missed this side of him and thanks again for giving link to your understandings.

                          Now, if Wallac is Rassol Allah, then his opinion will influense everybody.
                          No one can disobey God's Messanger; thus, Should I Fast for three days?
                          Please read my opinion in

                          Absolutely! But, as I said, no one is going to accept him as a messenger blindly, so no question of following him and, as I see him he's not much different from quite a few on this forum except I find him a bit amusing. Such selfproclaimed "Inspired Messengers" are not rare; one wellknown is Bush junior, so he said, inspired by God; then you have seen where he is leaving the world. elektro

                          peace

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                            farida
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                            However, the word few is most commonly defined as 3...and has been always known as such...

                            Therefore, 3 or 4 is closer to being a " few " than 10 is...

                            eat

                            Salaam anthonywhallace

                            You are not simply passing on the message but telling others your interpretation; not much different from pharasies or a teacher huh. (
                            I suggest you stop claiming to be one of the inspired messengers of God, hypno or you may end up like General Zia ul Haq(ex president of Pakistan) who believed he was chosen and inspired by God. For a bit of fiction mixed with facts please do read ?The case of exploding mangoes? by Hanif Mohammad and roll with laughter. rotfl

                            peace

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                              belH
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                              First of all, be aware of God and obey me. police

                              (&#65279

                              It is not possible for any human being to whom All?h has given the Book and wisdom and Prophethood to say to the people "obey me rather than All?h's." On the contrary "Be people of God, for ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly." (3-79)

                              Peace everyone

                              Wallace is trying to brainwash you, by speaking the words of God and then invoke his own words.

                              His view of Fasting is based on a misunderstanding of 2-184 and 185; thus he is normal humanbeing who might make mistakes sometimes.
                              Wallace' please read my understanding of fasting in the link I provided you.

                              Salaam brother Belalhammad,

                              Thank you for informing us of A. Wallac's view on fasting, I missed this side of him and thanks again for giving link to your understandings.

                              Peace,
                              You welcome; my advice to you and every body else, Hold tight on your Book and do not obey anybody else BUT ALLAH.

                              he's not much different from quite a few on this forum except I find him a bit amusing.
                              peace

                              But be aware, most of the people that you comparing him to never claimed being God's Messangers !

                              Peace and may God Bless You

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                                (&#65279

                                It is not possible for any human being to whom All?h has given the Book and wisdom and Prophethood to say to the people "obey me rather than All?h's." On the contrary "Be people of God, for ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly." (3-79)

                                Peace everyone

                                Wallace is trying to brainwash you, by speaking the words of God and then invoke his own words.

                                His view of Fasting is based on a misunderstanding of 2-184 and 185; thus he is normal humanbeing who might make mistakes sometimes.
                                Wallace' please read my understanding of fasting in the link I provided you.

                                Peace,

                                This is an obvious lie! I never said to the people to obey me instead of God... But I did say be aware of God and obey me...

                                Im not tryin to brainwash anyone, but to clarify for them and to set free the brainwashed...and to clarify to the 3,10,and 30 day faster believers what they dispute in... ( no muslim shall be harmed for the number of days they fast in rahmadan ). weather u fast 3,10,or 30 days it is acceptable wit your Lord...and He will not waste the reward of neither worker...

                                I have read some of ur post but not all of it...and my veiw still stands... and we all know that a " few " means the lesser... meaning that 3 days is less than 10 and 30 days...

                                Rahmadan has a total of 30 fasting days... 3 days are obligatory and 27 are optional...

                                Once a intention for a certain number of days ( 3, 10,or 30 ) days has been formed, one should fast the full 3,10,or 30 days. The submitter has a choice of fasting for more than three days but are not obligated to...

                                Once a muslim begins with intention to fast a certain number of days, it becomes obligatory upon him to complete it. If he breaks it he becomes a sinner and shall have to make up on different days...so if u sunnis intend to fast 30 days then u shall complete it, and if u intend to fast 3, or ten days then u shall complete the count....God will hold each of u for what u intend...

                                and im not done with this yet, im still gatherin the details for Rahmadan... But this is my view thus far... and im usually right about these things... but hey, i could be wronge... but I dont think so...

                                peace

                                Salaam anthonywhallace

                                You are not simply passing on the message but telling others your interpretation; not much different from pharasies or a teacher huh.
                                I suggest you stop claiming to be one of the inspired messengers of God, hypno or you may end up like General Zia ul Haq(ex president of Pakistan) who believed he was chosen and inspired by God. For a bit of fiction mixed with facts please do read ?The case of exploding mangoes? by Hanif Mohammad and roll with laughter. rotfl

                                peace

                                God is suffecient for me...

                                Peace,

                                This is where you lost me.

                                sorry, couldnt resist sayin " be aware of God and obey me " tempt

                                didnt mean to offend or appear arrogant...But I am a trustworthy messenger to you...and i admit i could have kept that comment in this post, but its still the same wit me weather i did or didnt post it...

                                get back later...

                                Salaam brother Belalhammad,

                                Thank you for informing us of A. Wallac's view on fasting, I missed this side of him and thanks again for giving link to your understandings.

                                peace

                                How could u turn away now, after you had already witnessed that the messenger is true?

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                                  Waylun likulli affakin atheemin

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                                  Woe to every guilty impostor

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                                    Im not tryin to brainwash anyone, but to clarify for them and to set free the brainwashed...and to clarify to the 3,10,and 30 day faster believers what they dispute in... ( no muslim shall be harmed for the number of days they fast in rahmadan ). weather u fast 3,10,or 30 days it is acceptable wit your Lord...and He will not waste the reward of neither worker...

                                    Peace to all.

                                    First of all, you said your mission was to teach the people about salat and zakat, claiming that God Himself sent a book down to you explaining everything in detail... Then, you said that The God sent down to you an English translation of al-Qur'an, something that was clearly a LIE since you admittedly follow Layth's translation, not the one you claimed God sent you... And now you're saying your mission is to teach us about Ramadhan??? The God gives us the answers to the issues we dispute about. Claiming to be a messenger of God (Allah), you can't give your personal opinion on matters and expect us to follow your personal advice. Do you say about God what you don't know?

                                    Rahmadan has a total of 30 fasting days... 3 days are obligatory and 27 are optional...

                                    Ramadhan has 30 days, but 27 of them are optional??? Did you intend to write this, or was this a mistake?

                                    and im not done with this yet, im still gatherin the details for Rahmadan... But this is my view thus far... and im usually right about these things... but hey, i could be wronge... but I dont think so...

                                    This doesn't make sense regarding your messengership either. If God Himself sent you as a messenger to His people, you should know the definate, easily-understandable answer to this question from The God, especially if He sent down to you an English translation of His Scripture. Al-Qur'an-Majeed says that when Mohammed didn't know the answer to a question, he didn't give his personal opinion, saying, "I could be wrong". He waited for God's answer through the Great Reading. Anything other than that is innovation and speculation...

                                    Peace.

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                                      Waylun likulli affakin atheemin

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                                      Woe to every guilty impostor

                                      I fear if I disobeyed my Lord, the retribution of a great Day!

                                      Peace to all.

                                      First of all, you said your mission was to teach the people about salat and zakat, claiming that God Himself sent a book down to you explaining everything in detail... Then, you said that The God sent down to you an English translation of al-Qur'an, something that was clearly a LIE since you admittedly follow Layth's translation, not the one you claimed God sent you... And now you're saying your mission is to teach us about Ramadhan??? The God gives us the answers to the issues we dispute about. Claiming to be a messenger of God (Allah), you can't give your personal opinion on matters and expect us to follow your personal advice. Do you say about God what you don't know?

                                      Ramadhan has 30 days, but 27 of them are optional??? o Did you intend to write this, or was this a mistake?

                                      This doesn't make sense regarding your messengership either. If God Himself sent you as a messenger to His people, you should know the definate, easily-understandable answer to this question from The God, especially if He sent down to you an English translation of His Scripture. Al-Qur'an-Majeed says that when Mohammed didn't know the answer to a question, he didn't give his personal opinion, saying, "I could be wrong". He waited for God's answer through the Great Reading. Anything other than that is innovation and speculation...

                                      Peace.

                                      You are a lier... You put words into my mouth... The God knows what u do...

                                      We are only required to fast for a " few" number of days... So how many is a few???

                                      Bring the Quran and show us that we are required to fast a certain number of fixed days ( 10, or 30 days ).

                                      We all know that a " few " acually means 3 or 4, and it coulod mean just allittle more than that, but not too much more...Now bring your evidence that im wronge...

                                      And yes, Rahmadan is the month of fasting, therefore everyday of Rahmadan is a fasting day, but we dont have to fast the full 30 days, we are only required to fast for a " few" days within ramadan...

                                      O.k. so what do u suggest... Are we obligated to fast 30 days??? and will I go to Hell if I only fast 3 or 10??? Or should we harm someone who only fasts for 3 days or even should we hatm someone who doesnt fast at all in Rahmadan??? Does the Quran ordain that we fast for a specific number of days???

                                      Gather your proofs and be sure that it doesnt come against you...and judge me and dont hold back...

                                      And this is what I do know, the Quran has not ordained any specific days to fast on, nor has it ordained any specific number of days to fast except for a "few" ( which commonly means 3 or more, but not too much more as one might expect...)...

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                                        Peace.

                                        You didn't explain anything at all. You keep pointing out the word "few", yet you don't know how many this refers to. How do you know that The God won't inflict His judgement upon those who don't fast/abstain? Has God told you this? You are only speculating, you don't know for sure how many days we're instructed to abstain. So, how can you tell us how many YOU THINK we should fast? Do you speak about The God what you do not know?

                                        You are a lier... You put words into my mouth... The God knows what u do...

                                        If I've lied, SHOW ME WHERE I LIED. I'm only asking you to explain what you said...

                                        And yes, Rahmadan is the month of fasting, therefore everyday of Rahmadan is a fasting day, but we dont have to fast the full 30 days, we are only required to fast for a " few" days within ramadan...

                                        O.k. so what do u suggest... Are we obligated to fast 30 days??? and will I go to Hell if I only fast 3 or 10??? Or should we harm someone who only fasts for 3 days or even should we hatm someone who doesnt fast at all in Rahmadan??? Does the Quran ordain that we fast for a specific number of days???

                                        So, when does this "month" of ramadhan start and end, if you are truthful? Ramadhan is detailed in al-Qur'an as a fixed period, not a month. Who told you that ramadhan has "30 days" in it? What you speak is falsehood, pure speculation. The God is fully aware of what you do...

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                                          We are only required to fast for a " few" number of days... So how many is a few???

                                          Peace,

                                          Wallac, you are using "Few" as a translation for the arabic word "M3dodat", as Ayman does.

                                          in verse (2-184) means COUNTED DAYS and NOT FEW DAYS.
                                          Please, understand that and refer to the following (as you said, you are a human and you can make mistake or misled by others tempt)

                                          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.new;topicseen#new

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