Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Farida,
I am glad to see that among many sheeps you have A_A (reply 166 above), who can read even more lines down than you can .
One excludes the blind, the other exclude's the deaf and the dumb. handshake
Looking forward to non sheepish understanding of the bigger picture when two "momins" exchange their understanding on verbal talaq as well. hmm
peaceYou still haven't answered my question. Do you have faith in the great reading?
Peace,
Ayman
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Salam belalhammad. There is an interesting analysis to be had, why often more than one Arabic word means almost the same thing.
The example I came across was in studying the origin of the "Ze" in Arabic. Without drawing a Ze, if you imagine the shape of a Ze it is similar to a scythe, an agricultural tool used to cut wheat or rice stalks. If you look at the English Z, you will see the shape of a similar tool, the three parts of the Z being the handle, the arm, and the blade. The scythe was the origin of the Pharoanic scimitar, an early sword. If you compare a Pharoanic scimitar to a scythe you can see the similarity. Eventually the Pharoanic scimitar evolved into the Arab saif, the shape of which resembles a Ze. Apparantly agricultural tools were the origin of some weapons.
The interesting evolution of the letters and words in Arabic results in two ways in which one can say a person has been killed. You can either use the agricultural route and say they have been cut off similar to a harvest, or you can say they have had their head removed similar to a sword being used. Both descriptions are valid.
I hope this clears up your question as to why sometimes more than one word can be used in Arabic to convey the same meaning.
When you come to the word for hot, there is a general consensus that the word Ramadan means the month of hot ground. This is not unusual, Jumada Al Awwal and Jumada Al Thani are the first and second dry months, Jumda means dry. There is often a connection between the names of the month and a seasonal event. The name of the month of Ramadan is no exception.
What is notable is that the month of Ramadan, the month of hot ground, is a month that is readily identifiable worldwide. There is one month in all countries which is the hottest month. This makes the identification of the month of Ramadan easy.
The problem does not lie in identifying which month is Ramadan. The problem begins when people try and impose one universal month as Ramadan, that does not work. People are foolish and not wise. Allah is wise.
Where in The Quran does Rammadan means Heat?
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Which post of mine are you alluding at?
your reply to this
Peace Every one'
The word "Shahed" means Testify, according to the Quran;
An Example of Shahada or Shada in Quran
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Allah Testifies (Shahed) that there is no god but He, and angels and those endued with knowledge, standing firm on justice There is no god but He, the Exalted in Power, the Wise. (3-1
I testify (Ashadu) that there is No God But Allah, without Seeing Him.
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Say "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say "Allah is Witness between me and you this Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration That I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there are other gods?" Say "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say "But in truth He is the One God and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him. (6-19)
Now Why Ayman insisting that ones must SEE The MOON if they Want To Fast.
According to God, Shahad means testify or witness by true knowledge.Was as follow
Peace Every one'
The word "Shahed" means Testify, according to the Quran;
An Example of Shahada or Shada in Quran
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Allah Testifies (Shahed) that there is no god but He, and angels and those endued with knowledge, standing firm on justice There is no god but He, the Exalted in Power, the Wise. (3-1
I testify (Ashadu) that there is No God But Allah, without Seeing Him.
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Say "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say "Allah is Witness between me and you this Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration That I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there are other gods?" Say "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say "But in truth He is the One God and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him. (6-19)
Now Why Ayman insisting that ones must SEE The MOON if they Want To Fast.
According to God, Shahad means testify or witness by true knowledge.Now do you agree with Ayman when saying that ones have to witness the Moon by their Eyes if they want to Fast?
Do you agree that "Famen Shahed menkom Elshaher falyasoma" means witnessing by eyes or Ears, or is it by Eyes only?
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Salam belalhammad. There is no ayat in the Quran that says "Ramadan means heat" However the root word of Ramadan, Ramd, does mean "burn"
Your question is an example of what is called "Reductio ad Absurdum"
You have reduced your question to an absurd point. Your question makes it impossible for anyone to give you a reasonable answer.
Let me demonstrate. The English word heat is not in the Quran. You know this as well as anyone else. You poisoned the question so that it could not be answered and you will gloat over the fact it was not answered. The result of this is, instead of identifying the correct month, which should have been your goal, you can identify nothing.
Allah exposes falsehood with the truth.
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Salam belalhammad. There is no ayat in the Quran that says "Ramadan means heat" However the root word of Ramadan, Ramd, does mean "burn"
Ramd is R + M + "D"; The "D" is "Dal" and NOT "DaD".
is different from
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The parable of those who reject their Lord is that their works are as ashes, on which the wind blows furiously on a tempestuous day No power have they over aught that they have earned That is the straying far, far (from the goal). (14-1Now, where is an arabic word that say
Let me demonstrate. The English word heat is not in the Quran. You know this as well as anyone else. You poisoned the question so that it could not be answered and you will gloat over the fact it was not answered. The result of this is, instead of identifying the correct month, which should have been your goal, you can identify nothing.
Allah exposes falsehood with the truth.
Heat in Quran is as I posted before, "Har" and "Lza".
Please read and let us repect the Quran as the final say (a Judge) between us, so we can end this debate
Peace'
Why does "Rammadan" word means "Hot", when God uses other words for Hot?LET GOD TELL US
Extreme and intense Heat isPart of 9-81 (
Those who were left behind rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger of Allah they hated to strive and fight with their goods and their persons, in the Cause of Allah they said "Go not forth in the heat
. Say "The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat
." If only they could understand! (9-81)Why God did not use the Word Ramadan Instead of "Har" or "Al-Har"?
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Nor are the (chilly) shade and the extreme heat of the sun (35-21)Why again God ignored the use of Rammadan instead of "Harror"
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It is Allah who made out of the things He created, some things to give you shade; of the hills He made some for your shelter; He made you garments to protect you from heat
, and coats of mail to protect you from your (mutual) violence. Thus does He complete his favours on you, that ye may surrender to His will (in Islam). (16-81)Heat is "Har" and never the Word Rammadan.
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Therefore do I warn you of a Fire blazing fiercely; (92-14)(
By no means! For it would be the blazing Heat of Hell! (70-15)NOW, Where is Your and Ayman and every body who claim Rammadan to mean Heat, proof FROM QURAN. OTHERWISE, you are Misleading People From the TRue Meaning of Quranic Words.
Now, read this
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Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the clear Signs came to them did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace guided the believers to the Truth concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guides whom He will to a path that is straight. (2-213)(
Say "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt. (6-114)LET US USE THE BOOK TO END THIS IN THE LIGHT OF THE TRUTH
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Moses son or deliver http//www.behindthename.com/name/moses
Jesus based on Joshua http//www.behindthename.com/name/jesus ---> Joshua "Yahweh is salvation" http//www.behindthename.com/name/joshua
Moon satellite of earth http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=definemoon&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Sun star that is source of light and heat for the solar system http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=definesun&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Stars massive luminous ball of plasma http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Astars
Jinn invisible being created from fire http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Ajinn
Ishmael God will hear http//www.behindthename.com/name/ishmaelI'm not trying to lend credibility to the "ramadan = scorching heat" thing; I don't have any knowledge about that. Most words have meanings, however, or else they would not be words. Even proper names have meanings.
belal wetting, refreshing http//babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Belal.html
hammad praised http//www.zelo.com/firstnames/findresults.asp?name=HAMMADAn example of a word without meaning is a gibberish word like "clufth" or "cubirm", these words have no meanings because I just invented (or discovered...?) them. Do you think month names are derived nonsensically like this, or that they are named after their qualities?
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Moses son or deliver http//www.behindthename.com/name/moses
Jesus based on Joshua http//www.behindthename.com/name/jesus ---> Joshua "Yahweh is salvation" http//www.behindthename.com/name/joshua
Moon satellite of earth http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=definemoon&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Sun star that is source of light and heat for the solar system http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=definesun&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Stars massive luminous ball of plasma http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Astars
Jinn invisible being created from fire http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Ajinn
Ishmael God will hear http//www.behindthename.com/name/ishmaelI'm not trying to lend credibility to the "ramadan = scorching heat" thing; I don't have any knowledge about that. Most words have meanings, however, or else they would not be words. Even proper names have meanings.
belal wetting, refreshing http//babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Belal.html
hammad praised http//www.zelo.com/firstnames/findresults.asp?name=HAMMADAn example of a word without meaning is a gibberish word like "clufth" or "cubirm", these words have no meanings because I just invented (or discovered...?) them. Do you think month names are derived nonsensically like this, or that they are named after their qualities?
Peace
Did God use one of the words that I showed you to refer to spacific meaning, as the ones you stated, in Quran?
For example, when hearing the name Moses in Quran, what does God wants us to understand?DO you know that the Arabic word that discribes two men having sex is "Loat".
Do you know why? Because they are using the name of Prophet Lut as a Root word for Man and man having Sex. Would you agree with them, or would you agree that Lut is a name of a respected Messanger?
Arabic dictionaries containe mistakes, simply because they are not divine.
Thus, the Quran is above all Books when Judging a meaning of a Word.
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Hello all,
Well I am not into Ayman's camp or another member's camp in fact Ayman would totally agree that there is no such thing. The only thing that anyone should care about is the quran.(God,Quran and me..)
Scorching moon,scorching month,new moon...whatever...BUT the quran as we all know,was not only meant for this generation with their cellphones,notebooks,fancy equipment to sight the stars...it was also meant for generations before us, way way before us. & remember fasting was prescribed to those who came before us too..The thing that could be easliy spotted would be something outa the norm.The moon is always white/a shade of white but a red moon clearly would stand out! If that is so that would mean something and Allah mentions it in the quran ,why choose to look the other way. Anyone who can prove that this red moon appears several times/regularly within 360 or 365 days (in a 30 day or so interval) please do so(I doubt except for eclipse).
The red moon could be the marker for start of ramadhan (current thinking) or more accurately the 4 forbidden months. Fasting may fall into this period of time. Occam' razor-no need to look elsewhere-just watch the moon,of course not all the time...forget the mainstream calendar..But just use it for secular/work-related purposes. (so is is a six day week?-maybe another time...)Happy Red Moon Year!!
This year I actually saw a red moon (not a full one)-I was so excited-the very first time in my life..(a little spooky though)
Salaam to all.. -
Peace RSW,
An example of a word without meaning is a gibberish word like "clufth" or "cubirm", these words have no meanings because I just invented (or discovered...?) them. Do you think month names are derived nonsensically like this, or that they are named after their qualities?
Proper names have their original meanings in common nouns but those meanings are irrelevant and for all intents and purposes they are just as meaningless as gibberish word like "clufth". This is why proper names are not translated. So when I say Bush, if I am talking about the plant then it is translated but if I am talking about the proper name of the president then it is not translated. Common nouns fit in the context while proper names do not and translating them leads to nonsense. So in the great reading proper names like Ismail and Ibrahim are not translated into Arabic from whatever they meant in Canaanite or Old Akadian or whatever language Abraham spoke or those names were borrowed from. On the other hand, the god translates concepts that existed since the time of Abraham like "al-muslimin", "islam", etc. into Arabic so those cannot be proper names, especially since their common universal meaning fits in the context. So those must be translated in an English conversation. Similarly the word "ramadan" must be translated because its common meaning fits in the context and in fact, it provides valuable information about the timing.
In the great reading, words like "qamar"/moon, "shams"/sun, "nejoom"/stars, "ins"/humans, "jin"/fantasies, "ramadan"/scorching are all common nouns and they should be translated and their meanings fit in the context. The trick of turning common universal concepts into proper names to mislead people has been used by hypocrites and deceivers throughout history and unfortunately we are seeing it here on this thread. So for example, now "ramadan" the central word in 2185 becomes meaningless so people can justify following their forefathers in fasting a completely random month and it was used by politicians to make a Michiavilian unpatriotic law into the PATRIOT Act. For more info on the timing issue, you can see the following article
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
Peace,
Ayman
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The moon is always white/a shade of white but a red moon clearly would stand out! If that is so that would mean something and Allah mentions it in the quran ,why choose to look the other way.
Peace
Scorching Moon is discribed as Follow( (
And the moon is (Kussef) eclipsed. (75-
And the sun and moon are joined together (75-9)
Why God did not use the word Rammadan to discrib such an event? ! -
Peace Rajah,
Well I am not into Ayman's camp or another member's camp in fact Ayman would totally agree that there is no such thing. The only thing that anyone should care about is the quran.(God,Quran and me..)
Scorching moon,scorching month,new moon...whatever...BUT the quran as we all know,was not only meant for this generation with their cellphones,notebooks,fancy equipment to sight the stars...it was also meant for generations before us, way way before us. & remember fasting was prescribed to those who came before us too..The thing that could be easliy spotted would be something outa the norm.The moon is always white/a shade of white but a red moon clearly would stand out! If that is so that would mean something and Allah mentions it in the quran ,why choose to look the other way. Anyone who can prove that this red moon appears several times/regularly within 360 or 365 days (in a 30 day or so interval) please do so(I doubt except for eclipse).
The red moon could be the marker for start of ramadhan (current thinking) or more accurately the 4 forbidden months. Fasting may fall into this period of time. Occam' razor-no need to look elsewhere-just watch the moon,of course not all the time...forget the mainstream calendar..But just use it for secular/work-related purposes. (so is is a six day week?-maybe another time...)
Happy Red Moon Year!!
This year I actually saw a red moon (not a full one)-I was so excited-the very first time in my life..(a little spooky though)
Salaam to all..Indeed it is all very simple and easy. We would only make it harder on ourselves by ignoring the truth from our lord and instead trying to desperately fit the great reading into the traditional timing. It is good to have debates as long as everyone is focused on the truth. However, there is no benefit when people are focused on arguing for the sake of arguing or for the sake of justifying traditional preconceptions.
Peace,
Ayman
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Now do you agree with Ayman when saying that ones have to witness the Moon by their Eyes if they want to Fast?
Do you agree that "Famen Shahed menkom Elshaher falyasoma" means witnessing by eyes or Ears, or is it by Eyes only?
Do you agree that one has to witness the moon if they want to fast?
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Peace
Scorching Moon is discribed as Follow( (
And the moon is (Kussef) eclipsed. (75-
And the sun and moon are joined together (75-9)
Why God did not use the word Rammadan to discrib such an event? !Hello bro! Of course, with all due respect, what God wanted to say has been said in the quran...Well if you don mind me asking,do all lunar eclipses turn the moon red?(Honestly, pardon me) How often do they appear? If such a red moon appears in winter due to an eclipse, should we call it (just) a red moon or a scorching moon? Does the description fit?
Remember Allah does not want to impose any hardships on us therefore He could have made the shahr ramadhan (the one we are talking about that appears once a year during the hottest periods) easy to spot. Not too frequent & not too remote like the eclipse....It blends in with the easy system,30 day month(sexagesimal?)..comes back in a circle-a historical meaning to it-instead of like the current Eid falling one year in December and another in October..& prior to that,someome has to scramble to see the moon to announce "Okay I declare all should fast right about now!!" while the masses have been waiting "when..when". We all depend on someone,cannot use own own brains and it all be fine if we just follow what is in the quran...AND if anyone sincerely is not sure...don't follow..right?
Of course the handicap is language, people like Ayman and some others are the 'language tutors' whose help we need besides the lexicon stuff..As long the "handicap" is not ignorance or indifference or disbelief..peace will prevail... prhave a great weekend....
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Peace Farida,
You still haven't answered my question. Do you have faith in the great reading?
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman
Sorry I didn't realise you had this question for me.
Well!!! I centainly have faith in the Qur'an but I do not have faith in the personal interpretation of one person, so for that reason, we need to debate and research all channels before arriving at a conclusion.Now as I have replied to your question it would benefit us all if you could reply to Neil who has asked you for a clarification.
For your convenience I am pasting it here
[Peace all,
I have read Ayman's articles on Ramadan and Laylat Al-Qadr and have questions that I hope can be answered.
Ayman you seem to say that Ramadan is around the time of the summer solstice (first full moon after it until the next full moon) and that the restrictions on game hunting associated with Hajj in the following months have much to do with the seasons and animal behavior within these months. I quote below..
"The timing of the restriction is significant, especially given that the restriction is on hunting wild-life. Interestingly, the restriction doesn't cover domesticated livestock animals (see 51). Why is that? The answer may be because summer is the time when most wild animals and even wild birds give birth. By killing a wild female animal, you are not only killing it but you would also be inadvertently killing all its new-born off-spring who cannot feed and fend for themselves...."
"...Of course, our analysis indicates that the restriction period would be different between the southern and the northern hemisphere. This is fine. There is nothing in the great reading that indicates that they should be the same for people all over the world. We should orient our direction to the truth from our Lord wherever we are, whether in the Southern or Northern hemisphere (see 2149). "
I understand that Ayman means that in the Southern Hemisphere Ramadan will take place after the first full moon after the summer solstice here (I am in Australia) ie after 22 December. Consequently I also take Ayman to mean that we will also have our own 'sacred/restricted months' in which we in the Southern Hemisphere will observe our own Hajj in the months after our Ramadan and hunting restrictions which are appropriate in those months?
If there are 2 Ramadans does it not follow that there are also two sets of sacred months/hajj? Will the location of Hajj cater to pilgrims over a period of 6 months in the year or are there two different locations? surely not?
It also follows that there would be two laylat al-qadr per year? Will there not also be two calendars with two different new years day as the count of full moon months is to begin in the period between one summer solstice to the next?
Thanks for your clarification
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
hmm According to your learned friend A_A okey, it doesn't matter if we have two sets of sacred months/hajj as the aim is to preserve wild life and its doesnt matter that momins fast where ever they happen to face the scorching moon, but which laylat al-qadr should be taken as the real one, mentioned in the Qur'an ???
Look forward to your contribution
peace
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Hello bro! Of course, with all due respect, what God wanted to say has been said in the quran...Well if you don mind me asking,do all lunar eclipses turn the moon red?(Honestly, pardon me) How often do they appear? If such a red moon appears in winter due to an eclipse, should we call it (just) a red moon or a scorching moon? Does the description fit?
Peace,
We do not need to play around; Red Moon is what Ayman claiming to happen in June; Red Moon is what Ayman claiming to be "Shahar Rammadan".
Now; after I showed you the Verse where ALLAH Calls Such Event As "Kosef El Kamar" and Not Shahar Rammadn; and after I posted a very reliable Link that explains why Red Moon occurs, and shows that it Happen in Winter, Summer, or Spring and Fall.Now, are you still trying to find more excuse for Ayman's Propaganda?
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Do you agree that one has to witness the moon if they want to fast?
Please, clairfy to Which Stage (e.g., Crescent or Full) of the Moon you are refering to, and what Color (Red or the common Collor--White)?
Which of the two quotes is posted by me? nope
NONE of Them rotfl
Sorry about that, I will try one more time
Salaam Belal
I also thought of the meaning "to testify", but descarded it immediately after scanning this verb in the qur'aan and how it is used.. The verb "yashhadu" meaning "to testify" does not take a direct object. You cannot find in the qur'aan "yashhadu something" meaning to testify. It's to testify THAT or testify ON/UPON something/someone (yashhadu unna/inna or yashhadu 3ala), or just yashhadu without being followed directly by the object.
In the case this verb is followed directly by the object (as the case of the verse we are discussing), then it means to witness.
I hope others try to search this verb in the qur'aan in case I missed something.