Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Moses son or deliver http//www.behindthename.com/name/moses
Jesus based on Joshua http//www.behindthename.com/name/jesus ---> Joshua "Yahweh is salvation" http//www.behindthename.com/name/joshua
Moon satellite of earth http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=definemoon&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Sun star that is source of light and heat for the solar system http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=definesun&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Stars massive luminous ball of plasma http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Astars
Jinn invisible being created from fire http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Ajinn
Ishmael God will hear http//www.behindthename.com/name/ishmaelI'm not trying to lend credibility to the "ramadan = scorching heat" thing; I don't have any knowledge about that. Most words have meanings, however, or else they would not be words. Even proper names have meanings.
belal wetting, refreshing http//babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Belal.html
hammad praised http//www.zelo.com/firstnames/findresults.asp?name=HAMMADAn example of a word without meaning is a gibberish word like "clufth" or "cubirm", these words have no meanings because I just invented (or discovered...?) them. Do you think month names are derived nonsensically like this, or that they are named after their qualities?
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Moses son or deliver http//www.behindthename.com/name/moses
Jesus based on Joshua http//www.behindthename.com/name/jesus ---> Joshua "Yahweh is salvation" http//www.behindthename.com/name/joshua
Moon satellite of earth http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=definemoon&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Sun star that is source of light and heat for the solar system http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=definesun&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Stars massive luminous ball of plasma http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Astars
Jinn invisible being created from fire http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Ajinn
Ishmael God will hear http//www.behindthename.com/name/ishmaelI'm not trying to lend credibility to the "ramadan = scorching heat" thing; I don't have any knowledge about that. Most words have meanings, however, or else they would not be words. Even proper names have meanings.
belal wetting, refreshing http//babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Belal.html
hammad praised http//www.zelo.com/firstnames/findresults.asp?name=HAMMADAn example of a word without meaning is a gibberish word like "clufth" or "cubirm", these words have no meanings because I just invented (or discovered...?) them. Do you think month names are derived nonsensically like this, or that they are named after their qualities?
Peace
Did God use one of the words that I showed you to refer to spacific meaning, as the ones you stated, in Quran?
For example, when hearing the name Moses in Quran, what does God wants us to understand?DO you know that the Arabic word that discribes two men having sex is "Loat".
Do you know why? Because they are using the name of Prophet Lut as a Root word for Man and man having Sex. Would you agree with them, or would you agree that Lut is a name of a respected Messanger?
Arabic dictionaries containe mistakes, simply because they are not divine.
Thus, the Quran is above all Books when Judging a meaning of a Word.
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Hello all,
Well I am not into Ayman's camp or another member's camp in fact Ayman would totally agree that there is no such thing. The only thing that anyone should care about is the quran.(God,Quran and me..)
Scorching moon,scorching month,new moon...whatever...BUT the quran as we all know,was not only meant for this generation with their cellphones,notebooks,fancy equipment to sight the stars...it was also meant for generations before us, way way before us. & remember fasting was prescribed to those who came before us too..The thing that could be easliy spotted would be something outa the norm.The moon is always white/a shade of white but a red moon clearly would stand out! If that is so that would mean something and Allah mentions it in the quran ,why choose to look the other way. Anyone who can prove that this red moon appears several times/regularly within 360 or 365 days (in a 30 day or so interval) please do so(I doubt except for eclipse).
The red moon could be the marker for start of ramadhan (current thinking) or more accurately the 4 forbidden months. Fasting may fall into this period of time. Occam' razor-no need to look elsewhere-just watch the moon,of course not all the time...forget the mainstream calendar..But just use it for secular/work-related purposes. (so is is a six day week?-maybe another time...)Happy Red Moon Year!!
This year I actually saw a red moon (not a full one)-I was so excited-the very first time in my life..(a little spooky though)
Salaam to all.. -
Peace RSW,
An example of a word without meaning is a gibberish word like "clufth" or "cubirm", these words have no meanings because I just invented (or discovered...?) them. Do you think month names are derived nonsensically like this, or that they are named after their qualities?
Proper names have their original meanings in common nouns but those meanings are irrelevant and for all intents and purposes they are just as meaningless as gibberish word like "clufth". This is why proper names are not translated. So when I say Bush, if I am talking about the plant then it is translated but if I am talking about the proper name of the president then it is not translated. Common nouns fit in the context while proper names do not and translating them leads to nonsense. So in the great reading proper names like Ismail and Ibrahim are not translated into Arabic from whatever they meant in Canaanite or Old Akadian or whatever language Abraham spoke or those names were borrowed from. On the other hand, the god translates concepts that existed since the time of Abraham like "al-muslimin", "islam", etc. into Arabic so those cannot be proper names, especially since their common universal meaning fits in the context. So those must be translated in an English conversation. Similarly the word "ramadan" must be translated because its common meaning fits in the context and in fact, it provides valuable information about the timing.
In the great reading, words like "qamar"/moon, "shams"/sun, "nejoom"/stars, "ins"/humans, "jin"/fantasies, "ramadan"/scorching are all common nouns and they should be translated and their meanings fit in the context. The trick of turning common universal concepts into proper names to mislead people has been used by hypocrites and deceivers throughout history and unfortunately we are seeing it here on this thread. So for example, now "ramadan" the central word in 2185 becomes meaningless so people can justify following their forefathers in fasting a completely random month and it was used by politicians to make a Michiavilian unpatriotic law into the PATRIOT Act. For more info on the timing issue, you can see the following article
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
Peace,
Ayman
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The moon is always white/a shade of white but a red moon clearly would stand out! If that is so that would mean something and Allah mentions it in the quran ,why choose to look the other way.
Peace
Scorching Moon is discribed as Follow( (
And the moon is (Kussef) eclipsed. (75-
And the sun and moon are joined together (75-9)
Why God did not use the word Rammadan to discrib such an event? ! -
Peace Rajah,
Well I am not into Ayman's camp or another member's camp in fact Ayman would totally agree that there is no such thing. The only thing that anyone should care about is the quran.(God,Quran and me..)
Scorching moon,scorching month,new moon...whatever...BUT the quran as we all know,was not only meant for this generation with their cellphones,notebooks,fancy equipment to sight the stars...it was also meant for generations before us, way way before us. & remember fasting was prescribed to those who came before us too..The thing that could be easliy spotted would be something outa the norm.The moon is always white/a shade of white but a red moon clearly would stand out! If that is so that would mean something and Allah mentions it in the quran ,why choose to look the other way. Anyone who can prove that this red moon appears several times/regularly within 360 or 365 days (in a 30 day or so interval) please do so(I doubt except for eclipse).
The red moon could be the marker for start of ramadhan (current thinking) or more accurately the 4 forbidden months. Fasting may fall into this period of time. Occam' razor-no need to look elsewhere-just watch the moon,of course not all the time...forget the mainstream calendar..But just use it for secular/work-related purposes. (so is is a six day week?-maybe another time...)
Happy Red Moon Year!!
This year I actually saw a red moon (not a full one)-I was so excited-the very first time in my life..(a little spooky though)
Salaam to all..Indeed it is all very simple and easy. We would only make it harder on ourselves by ignoring the truth from our lord and instead trying to desperately fit the great reading into the traditional timing. It is good to have debates as long as everyone is focused on the truth. However, there is no benefit when people are focused on arguing for the sake of arguing or for the sake of justifying traditional preconceptions.
Peace,
Ayman
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Now do you agree with Ayman when saying that ones have to witness the Moon by their Eyes if they want to Fast?
Do you agree that "Famen Shahed menkom Elshaher falyasoma" means witnessing by eyes or Ears, or is it by Eyes only?
Do you agree that one has to witness the moon if they want to fast?
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Peace
Scorching Moon is discribed as Follow( (
And the moon is (Kussef) eclipsed. (75-
And the sun and moon are joined together (75-9)
Why God did not use the word Rammadan to discrib such an event? !Hello bro! Of course, with all due respect, what God wanted to say has been said in the quran...Well if you don mind me asking,do all lunar eclipses turn the moon red?(Honestly, pardon me) How often do they appear? If such a red moon appears in winter due to an eclipse, should we call it (just) a red moon or a scorching moon? Does the description fit?
Remember Allah does not want to impose any hardships on us therefore He could have made the shahr ramadhan (the one we are talking about that appears once a year during the hottest periods) easy to spot. Not too frequent & not too remote like the eclipse....It blends in with the easy system,30 day month(sexagesimal?)..comes back in a circle-a historical meaning to it-instead of like the current Eid falling one year in December and another in October..& prior to that,someome has to scramble to see the moon to announce "Okay I declare all should fast right about now!!" while the masses have been waiting "when..when". We all depend on someone,cannot use own own brains and it all be fine if we just follow what is in the quran...AND if anyone sincerely is not sure...don't follow..right?
Of course the handicap is language, people like Ayman and some others are the 'language tutors' whose help we need besides the lexicon stuff..As long the "handicap" is not ignorance or indifference or disbelief..peace will prevail... prhave a great weekend....
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Peace Farida,
You still haven't answered my question. Do you have faith in the great reading?
Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Ayman
Sorry I didn't realise you had this question for me.
Well!!! I centainly have faith in the Qur'an but I do not have faith in the personal interpretation of one person, so for that reason, we need to debate and research all channels before arriving at a conclusion.Now as I have replied to your question it would benefit us all if you could reply to Neil who has asked you for a clarification.
For your convenience I am pasting it here
[Peace all,
I have read Ayman's articles on Ramadan and Laylat Al-Qadr and have questions that I hope can be answered.
Ayman you seem to say that Ramadan is around the time of the summer solstice (first full moon after it until the next full moon) and that the restrictions on game hunting associated with Hajj in the following months have much to do with the seasons and animal behavior within these months. I quote below..
"The timing of the restriction is significant, especially given that the restriction is on hunting wild-life. Interestingly, the restriction doesn't cover domesticated livestock animals (see 51). Why is that? The answer may be because summer is the time when most wild animals and even wild birds give birth. By killing a wild female animal, you are not only killing it but you would also be inadvertently killing all its new-born off-spring who cannot feed and fend for themselves...."
"...Of course, our analysis indicates that the restriction period would be different between the southern and the northern hemisphere. This is fine. There is nothing in the great reading that indicates that they should be the same for people all over the world. We should orient our direction to the truth from our Lord wherever we are, whether in the Southern or Northern hemisphere (see 2149). "
I understand that Ayman means that in the Southern Hemisphere Ramadan will take place after the first full moon after the summer solstice here (I am in Australia) ie after 22 December. Consequently I also take Ayman to mean that we will also have our own 'sacred/restricted months' in which we in the Southern Hemisphere will observe our own Hajj in the months after our Ramadan and hunting restrictions which are appropriate in those months?
If there are 2 Ramadans does it not follow that there are also two sets of sacred months/hajj? Will the location of Hajj cater to pilgrims over a period of 6 months in the year or are there two different locations? surely not?
It also follows that there would be two laylat al-qadr per year? Will there not also be two calendars with two different new years day as the count of full moon months is to begin in the period between one summer solstice to the next?
Thanks for your clarification
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
hmm According to your learned friend A_A okey, it doesn't matter if we have two sets of sacred months/hajj as the aim is to preserve wild life and its doesnt matter that momins fast where ever they happen to face the scorching moon, but which laylat al-qadr should be taken as the real one, mentioned in the Qur'an ???
Look forward to your contribution
peace
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Hello bro! Of course, with all due respect, what God wanted to say has been said in the quran...Well if you don mind me asking,do all lunar eclipses turn the moon red?(Honestly, pardon me) How often do they appear? If such a red moon appears in winter due to an eclipse, should we call it (just) a red moon or a scorching moon? Does the description fit?
Peace,
We do not need to play around; Red Moon is what Ayman claiming to happen in June; Red Moon is what Ayman claiming to be "Shahar Rammadan".
Now; after I showed you the Verse where ALLAH Calls Such Event As "Kosef El Kamar" and Not Shahar Rammadn; and after I posted a very reliable Link that explains why Red Moon occurs, and shows that it Happen in Winter, Summer, or Spring and Fall.Now, are you still trying to find more excuse for Ayman's Propaganda?
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Do you agree that one has to witness the moon if they want to fast?
Please, clairfy to Which Stage (e.g., Crescent or Full) of the Moon you are refering to, and what Color (Red or the common Collor--White)?
Which of the two quotes is posted by me? nope
NONE of Them rotfl
Sorry about that, I will try one more time
Salaam Belal
I also thought of the meaning "to testify", but descarded it immediately after scanning this verb in the qur'aan and how it is used.. The verb "yashhadu" meaning "to testify" does not take a direct object. You cannot find in the qur'aan "yashhadu something" meaning to testify. It's to testify THAT or testify ON/UPON something/someone (yashhadu unna/inna or yashhadu 3ala), or just yashhadu without being followed directly by the object.
In the case this verb is followed directly by the object (as the case of the verse we are discussing), then it means to witness.
I hope others try to search this verb in the qur'aan in case I missed something. -
Peace,
We do not need to play around; Red Moon is what Ayman claiming to happen in June; Red Moon is what Ayman claiming to be "Shahar Rammadan".
Now; after I showed you the Verse where ALLAH Calls Such Event As "Kosef El Kamar" and Not Shahar Rammadn; and after I posted a very reliable Link that explains why Red Moon occurs, and shows that it Happen in Winter, Summer, or Spring and Fall.Salaam Bilahhammad
I would like to add this; in fairness I would say that there's doubt that, the month of Ramadan we are observing is actually the right one. I have seen, even in my own life time, how relegious organizations have played with the sighting of the moon and how Saudies control when to start Ramadan so that Hajj may fall in convenient days to accomodate huge number of Hajjis.
I am pretty sure that others too have, in the past, played their part in switching the months, but that does not mean I accept Ayman's version.
For that reason I have pasted above some very valid questions for deliberations from all who can contribute including Nun de plume.
peace
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Salaam Bilahhammad
I would like to add this; in fairness I would say that there's doubt that, the month of Ramadan we are observing is actually the right one. I have seen, even in my own life time, how relegious organizations have played with the sighting of the moon and how Saudies control when to start Ramadan so that Hajj may fall in convenient days to accomodate huge number of Hajjis.
I am pretty sure that others too have, in the past, played their part in switching the months, but that does not mean I accept Ayman's version.
Peace,
ones can play and make mistakes when sighting the crescent. But the mistake will never effect the sequence of the Months; after all the Crescent will have to appear and the Moon will have to disappear.
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Peace,
ones can play and make mistakes when sighting the crescent. But the mistake will never effect the sequence of the Months; after all the Crescent will have to appear and the Moon will have to disappear.
SalamSalaam Belalhammad
True! but its been claimed that even months or hijri was messed up, and its possible that things drastically changed after the Mongol invasion;
the question arises why would one change it unless there was some political reason to do so?
However no one can reject that the moon is used to calculate the year or, as Ayman says the 12 moons and as Neil said It also follows that there would be two laylat al-qadr per year? Will there not also be two calendars with two different new years day as the count of the full moon months is to begin in the period between one summer solstice and the next?I am waiting for Ayman to clarify, in such a scenario, which would be the actual laylat al-qadr, as its definitely one night per year.
peace
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Salaam Belalhammad
True! but its been claimed that even months or hijri was messed up, and its possible that things drastically changed after the Mongol invasion;
Peace,
Rumors are what you will hear, but truth is what you should believe.
Our Rammadan Month has been comming in its respected turn after Shaban; There is no Moslem contry or sect will disagree that Rammadan month this year is between September 1 thru October 1.
By the way, did you watch the Scorching Moon Video in the Link I provided?
It is amazing!!! -
Peace,
By the way, did you watch the Scorching Moon Video in the Link I provided?
It is amazing!!!Yes I did and I understand very well what you posted and looked at it too
However I am waiting for Ayman to resolve the two laylat al-qadr scenario. -XMaybe it's Friday night so not many want to sit on this site but I will be waiting for a response.
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Peace Farida,
Well!!! I centainly have faith in the Qur'an but I do not have faith in the personal interpretation of one person,
Thank you for answering. It is good that we established that you have faith in the great reading because otherwise the whole matter of discussing with you the timing of the abstinence would be pointless.
Not having faith in personal interpretations is what most people say. On the other hand, here is what you said on September 3rd on another thread about who you are following
It could be someone like you but surely he has a bigger following than you will ever have.
So for the timing of the abstinence you have faith in someone that you don?t know and who didn?t even base the timing on anything in the great reading. In fact, had that person started the so-called Islamic calendar three years earlier then you would be fasting in what was Shaaban a month ago. So you are currently fasting a completely random month that has nothing to do with the great reading.
so for that reason, we need to debate and research all channels before arriving at a conclusion.
What debate? A debate requires at least two points of views to be presented and compared. I presented my point of view based on the great reading. You didn?t present anything based on the great reading or otherwise. All you presented was some attempt at a strange argument that since Umar is a proper name then ?ramadan? must be a proper name. This is not a logical argument for any debate and it doesn?t say anything about how you achieved your present understanding based on your faith in the great reading.
When your children ask you why are we fasting now, is that what you are going to tell them? ?We are following someone like Ayman but surely he has a bigger following than Ayman will ever have? and "because Umar is a proper name". Is this the legacy you want to leave?
Now as I have replied to your question it would benefit us all if you could reply to Neil who has asked you for a clarification.
All of Neil?s questions are already explained by the fact that the restriction is on hunting wild-life and hence the restricted full-moons have to be different in the southern and northern hemispheres. Neil then goes on and answers his own questions as ?surely not?. So why does he need an answer from me if it is ?surely not??
If one is talking about the meaningless cultural names Ramadan, Laylat-al-Qadr, Hajj, and manmade calendars then yes, ?surely not?. But if one is talking about the common universal concepts of scorching full-moon, the night of measure (3639 and 971), the feast, and god-given cosmic markers then surely when the scorching full-moon occurs and when the restricted full-moons occur would be different between the southern and northern hemispheres and surely there can be more than one location for the feast (hagg) based on the clear location given in 2226 and surely the night of measure according to 3639 occurs many times in the year every year and it is the same in the southern and northern hemispheres. One of those nights of measure which also had a scorching full-moon is when the great reading was descended. This doesn?t mean that the night of measure and a scorching full-moon only occurred one time over 1400 years ago. I hope I am clear.
If you want to have a real debate then please present how you reached your understanding of the timing based on your faith in the great reading and then we can compare and follow the best available as of now.
Peace,
Ayman