Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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4817 There is no burden on the blind, nor is there any burden on the cripple, nor is there on the sick any burden. And whosoever obeys God and His messenger, He will admit them into paradises with rivers flowing beneath; and whosoever turns away, He will punish him with a painful retribution
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Salaam Anthony and everyone,
Indeed!! As I understand from the verse above, there is no undue expectations on the physically impaired and, performing within their capacity will earn them a reward on par with that of the able.
However the argument was ?how can one witness a month?? so it must, here, imply the scorching moon, "shahr ramadan".
As we learn from verses 4120, 21, 22, it is confirmed that the skin is capable of witnessing and will testify.
One can witness a month simply by being present in that month, as the skin is in touch with the atoms/molecules , water vapor mixture of gases, temperature etc., present at such a time. In this world one?s finger prints and DNA can also testify against a person, but just imagine a blind one saying to God, on the Day of Judgement, ?I did not witness the month of Ramadan?. His skin will then speak out against him.b.? those amongst you who witnessed?? exclude only those who are mentally incapacitated.
These verses also made me realise that the deaf, the dumb and the blind are not excluded from testifying.
How does a deaf or dumb person bear witness?
By the use of eyes and skin, which would include using sign language, as well as employing writing tools. In both cases the skin is used to bear witness. Similarly a deaf person, capable of speaking, may use his sight and his lips/skin .
A blind person can use the skin (to feel with), along with the ears to witness and, regarding the month of Ramadan, a blind person has witnessed it simply by being present in his body, in that month .This, in my opinion, is conclusive evidence, but I would welcome any input from others.
Peace,
- In classical Arabic feminine plural can be used to describe plural inanimate objects.
- Ma3dood, Ma3doodah, Ma3doodaaat (and even possibly ma3doodoona or ma3aadid or ma3aadeed) means numbered or counted primarily and literally. But it can take a diminutive meaning of 'few' through its meaning of numbered or limited. A good English example is 'your days are numbered.'
- Ma3dood in no way ONLY means few.
- The limitation of time as it concerns Ramadan and pilgrimage depends on the Quranic implication of shahr, and not the other way around.
Godbless,
AnwarI hope we can now look into a timing device, using the sun and the moon, as a next step forward.
peace
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Peace,
Belal, you used this verse as proof that manzil means any stage. However this word is munzal, and not manzil. Munzal is the verbal noun and place noun for form 4 anzala which is ' to cause to descend.' munzal means either making something descend (inzaal) or a place where something is made to descend (munzal). Manzil is where something descend on it's own.
Godbless,
AnwarPeace Anwar
How would you translate verse 10-5
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Thanks
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Peace everyone,
2185 Shahr Ramadan, which the Quran was descended in it
Which is Ramadan?
Solstice Moon Illusion June 16, 2008 Full Strawberry Moon or Rose Moon
http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/images/moonillusion/Kasaitis1_strip.jpg
Harvest Moon - September
http//www.earthsky.org/images/13821.jpg
This is the full Moon that occurs closest to the autumn equinox. At the peak of harvest, farmers can work late into the night by the light of this Moon.
Hunter's Moon - October
http//www.nightskyinfo.com/sky_highlights/hunters_moon/full_moon_small.jpg
With the leaves falling and the deer fattened, it is time to hunt. Since the fields have been reaped, hunters can easily see fox and the animals which have come out to glean.
443 ?We descended it in a blessed night
971 ?We descended it in night Al-Qadr
973 Night Al-Qadr better than a thousand shahr
Better than 1000 full moons or 1000 months?
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Peace Nun,
2185 Shahr Ramadan, which the Quran was descended in it
Which is Ramadan?
Solstice Moon Illusion June 16, 2008 Full Strawberry Moon or Rose MoonOut of all the full-moons that you listed, the solstice moon takes the lowest path accross the horizon and thus has the most vivid reddish color and stays red the longest (thus the name strawberry/rose moon)
http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast14jun_1.htm
There are actually two solstice moons, the one right before the summer solstice and the one right after the summer solstice. So which one is it?
The word "ramadan"/scorching has two connotation (1) the color red (2) hot. Naturally, the solstice moon after the summer solstice would be the one that best fits those two criteria.
I hope this helps.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace rsw,
what if it's cloudy?
Same as if underground or cannot see. None are accountable for circumstances beyond their control.
btw, interesting reading your story in the other thread.
Peace Ayman,
Out of all the full-moons that you listed, the solstice moon takes the lowest path accross the horizon and thus has the most vivid reddish color and stays red the longest (thus the name strawberry/rose moon)
http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast14jun_1.htm
There are actually two solstice moons, the one right before the summer solstice and the one right after the summer solstice. So which one is it?
The word "ramadan"/scorching has two connotation (1) the color red (2) hot. Naturally, the solstice moon after the summer solstice would be the one that best fits those two criteria.
Yes when I first saw the huge moon it freaked me out; thought it was going to crash into earth.
Moonrise, Moonset and Moonphase for Saudi Arabia ? Makkah ? July 2008
http//www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=151&month=7&year=2008&obj=moon&afl=-11&day=1
June 21 2008 Begins Summer in the Northern Hemisphere
Next full moon occurred 30 days later in day time...
Date Illuminated Phase
Jul 16, 2008 97.8%
Jul 17, 2008
Jul 18, 2008 99.8% Full at 1059 AM
Jul 19, 2008 99.7%
Jul 20, 2008 97.4%How do we witness which night/day is Ramadan?
Also, its clear Quran was sent in a night 971 ?
973 the night Al-Qadr better than a thousand shahr
Was that ?night? (i.e. time sunset to dawn) better than a thousand full moon snapshots witnessed?
Or
Better than a thousand months (i.e. lunar cycles x 1000 = 80.852076 years or lifetime witnessed)?
These Google algorithms are smart.
http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS291&q=lunar+cycles+x+1000&btnG=SearchPeace
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Peace Ayman,
To clarify a bit on the first question...
Next full moon occurred 30 days later in day time...
Date Illuminated Phase
Jul 16, 2008 97.8%
Jul 17, 2008
Jul 18, 2008 99.8% Full at 1059 AM
Jul 19, 2008 99.7%
Jul 20, 2008 97.4%How do we witness/know which of the four phases is full moon?
http//s4.tinypic.com/24faadt.jpg
Learning Things
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5riBjv3MZyUPeace
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Peace all,
How do we witness/know which of the four phases is full moon?
Some time ago I noticed that the full moon rose after the sun set. I didn'it verify the illumination percentage but my hunch would be that the full moon with the highest percentage of illumination would be the night it rose after the sunset.
adjwi
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I just got a ? (2)
Is this the month OF hotness or not?
In other words, is this the moon of redness or not?
iN OTHER WORDS IS IT THE THE TIME OF FASTING OR NOT?
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Peace adjwi,
Some time ago I noticed that the full moon rose after the sun set. I didn'it verify the illumination percentage but my hunch would be that the full moon with the highest percentage of illumination would be the night it rose after the sunset.
adjwi
Use link below and check the full moon for your area after June 21st and notice sometimes they appear in the daytime and varying hours as well.
Moonrise, Moonset and Moonphase for Saudi Arabia ? Makkah ? July 2008
http//www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=151&month=7&year=2008&obj=moon&afl=-11&day=1
Jul 16, 2008 97.8%
Jul 17, 2008
Jul 18, 2008 99.8% Full at 1059 AM
Jul 19, 2008 99.7%Take a look at the picture I posted earlier and imagine walking outside seeing each of those four moons individually (don't have luxury to compare next to each other) -- how would be able to tell which is the full moon with less than .3% Illuminated Phase difference?
The new moon waxing crescent (D in DOC) stands out as does waning crescent C...
http//farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/2472224091_c9637ac4f8.jpg?v=0
I just got a ? (2)
Is this the month OF hotness or not?
In other words, is this the moon of redness or not?
iN OTHER WORDS IS IT THE THE TIME OF FASTING OR NOT?
We're getting there anthony.
Peace
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Salaaman Anthoney,
What??? ???
I just got a ? (2)
Is this the month OF hotness or not?
In other words, is this the moon of redness or not?
iN OTHER WORDS IS IT THE THE TIME OF FASTING OR NOT?
You said you got "a" ?
Then you extended to (2)
And finally asked THREElaugh
Regards,
mmKhan -
Salaaman Anthoney,
What??? ???
You said you got "a" ?
Then you extended to (2)
And finally asked THREElaugh
Regards,
mmKhanlaugh
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Peace Frida and All;
Ayman is avoiding to answer my point; as you can note, Summer was after the 4 restricted Month (9-81). in other words, Rammadan had to be 4 month before summer time, and cann't fall in June 15.
If Ayman does not answer, then, I will understand that Ayman is deliberately trying to lead people Astray.Peace
Salaam Belalhammad
I had time to understand the relevance of 91-5 and 81 last night
Free_Minds
95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill those who have set up partners wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and honor the connection, and contribute towards betterment, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving,95 tells us that? when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill....?
Hence , 4 months later, when the war was going on as in
Free_Minds
981 Those who have remained are happy with their position of lagging behind God's messenger, and they disliked striving with their wealth and lives in the cause of God; and they say "Do not mobilize in the heat." Say "The fire of Hell is far hotter," if they could only understand...... "Do not mobilize in the heat." confirms that fighting was indeed engaged during the hot season.
Applying Ayman?s theory
The hot months in Arabia should stretch from May to August, which means that Ramadan must have occurred sometime in April/May according to the verses above.
So Ramadan was not in the month of extreme heat, if we believe Ayman?s theory that the sacred months follow Ramadan and than apply the evidence from the Qur'an...a contradiction here!!!As nun de plume wrote earlier, we are getting there. Alhumdullilah, with the combined effort of everyone here, we are getting to the root question Hot/Ramadan or The Month of Ramadan. I would suggest we all do our own verification by looking into.91-5 and 81
361 Whoever debates with you in this after the knowledge has come to you, then say "Let us call our children and your children, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then, let us call out, and we shall make God's curse upon the liars."
peace
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Salaam Belalhammad
I had time to understand the relevance of 91-5 and 81 last night
Free_Minds
95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill those who have set up partners wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and honor the connection, and contribute towards betterment, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving,95 tells us that? when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill....?
Hence , 4 months later, when the war was going on as in
Free_Minds
981 Those who have remained are happy with their position of lagging behind God's messenger, and they disliked striving with their wealth and lives in the cause of God; and they say "Do not mobilize in the heat." Say "The fire of Hell is far hotter," if they could only understand...... "Do not mobilize in the heat." confirms that fighting was indeed engaged during the hot season.
Applying Ayman?s theory
The hot months in Arabia should stretch from May to August, which means that Ramadan must have occurred sometime in April/May according to the verses above.
So Ramadan was not in the month of extreme heat, if we believe Ayman?s theory that the sacred months follow Ramadan and than apply the evidence from the Qur'an...a contradiction here!!!Salam
Summer starts her from june and July & Augusts are the hotest months over here, there is also a ban on A ban on labourers working in the hot afternoon sun from 1230 PM till 430 Pm in these two months.
It is September and still very hot.peace
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Peace all,
Ayman said
I do not agree with this. I do not think that this is the logic behind the etymology of the meaning of 'stages' as it concerns nazala. Despite that we are not dealing with etymology. I was just trying to help people understand the sense behind this meaning and the possible logic for it. manzil means stage, any stage, descending or ascending. As it refers to the moon it includes all its stages before full moon, at full moon and after full moon.
To give a similar word with a somewhat similar concept going on here Mawqa3 means location as well. It is from the root waqa3 which is to fall literally, and also means to occurr/happen. Now Mawqa3 is not where someone literally falls (although it can mean this). It arrived at that meaning from an archaic usage of the concept 'to fall'. Old English I think makes similar use of the concept to fall for location. Ex. "The old oak tree wilst fall to thy left upon the road hither" It can still be used in today's language albeit rare. Ex. "If you keep going straight the store your're looking for will fall on your left." No literal falling at all. And we need only go to the word 'befall' to see how the concept of falling is also connected to occurrence and happenings. So I hope everyone can see how the concept of to fall or descend doesn't have to be literal or order-oriented as it concerns the use of manzil. In the end no matter how far the meanings may seem to stray from the original root, if there is no evidence that it is a post-quranic meaning (the most obvious being that it is an interpretational meaning given by a post-quranic figure) then the meaning is what it is. Period.This is false. Idiomatic usage of a word doesn't change the basic meaning of the word. For example, when one says "hit the road", this doesn't change the meaning of "hit" to "travel". The idiomatic expression as whole is interpreted through cultural nuances as "travel" but linguistically the basic meaning of the word "hit" is the same. The word "MaNAZL" always means something that one descends to. The relationship between the form NZL and MaNAZL is fairly common in the Arabic language, for example, think SJD and MaSAJD, DRS and MaDARS. No one with a grain of common sense would claim that MaDARS can actually mean a place for ignorance (the opposite of study like ascending is the opposite of descending).
Peace,
Ayman
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Salam
Summer starts her from june and July & Augusts are the hotest months over here, there is also a ban on A ban on labourers working in the hot afternoon sun from 1230 PM till 430 Pm in these two months.
It is September and still very hot.peace
Salaam
Afridi,Thank you for this information. So if the hottest months are June, July and August then, as we learn from 981, the war was in one of the hot months, after the sacred months; in other words, at least 3 months had passed since Ramadan, according to Ayman's theory.
Now work it out yourself when was Ramadan?
peace
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Salam
Summer starts her from june and July & Augusts are the hotest months over here, there is also a ban on A ban on labourers working in the hot afternoon sun from 1230 PM till 430 Pm in these two months.
It is September and still very hot.peace
If Rammadan starts in June 25, according to Ayman;
and if Rammdan is the starter of the 4 restricted months;
Then, Verse 9-81 had to be in October.If you look deeply in verse 9-81, you will note that they were complaining from going to war in Summer Season; as you know going to war in the days of prophet is different than our days. It will involve traveling that might take a month, and it will involve weeks of fighting untill some one would win.
In 9-81, they were complaining about doing all the above in Heat time (summer time). Trust me,if it was september, as you said (how did you calculate) they would have never use that reason, knowning that the next two or three month will be not as hot. -
Salaam
Afridi,Thank you for this information. So if the hottest months are June, July and August then, as we learn from 981, the war was in one of the hot months, after the sacred months; in other words, at least 3 months had passed since Ramadan, according to Ayman's theory.
Now work it out yourself when was Ramadan?
peace
Muharam is the first and Ramadan is the ninth month
salam farida
The Islamic months are named as follows
Muharram (or Muarram al aram)
Safar (or afar al Muzaffar)
Rabi' al-awwal (Rab' I)
Rabi' al-thani (or Rab' al Thn, or Rab' al-Akhir) (Rab' II)
Jumada al-awwal (Jumd I)
Jumada al-thani (or Jumd al-akhir) (Jumd II)
Rajab (or Rajab al Murajab)
Sha'aban (or Sha'abn al Moazam)
Ramadan (or Ramzn, long form Raman al Mubarak)
Shawwal (or Shawwal al Mukarram)
Dhu al-Qi'dah
Dhu al-HijjahThe three successive forbidden months mentioned by Muhammad (months in which battles are forbidden) are Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah, and Muharram, thus excluding an intercalary month before Muharram. The single forbidden month is Rajab. These months were considered forbidden both within the new Islamic calendar and within the old pagan Meccan calendar, although whether they maintained their "forbidden" status after the conquest of Mecca has been disputed among Islamic scholars.
peace
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Muharam is the first and Ramadan is the ninth month
salam farida
The Islamic months are named as follows
Muharram (or Muarram al aram)
Safar (or afar al Muzaffar)
Rabi' al-awwal (Rab' I)
Rabi' al-thani (or Rab' al Thn, or Rab' al-Akhir) (Rab' II)
Jumada al-awwal (Jumd I)
Jumada al-thani (or Jumd al-akhir) (Jumd II)
Rajab (or Rajab al Murajab)
Sha'aban (or Sha'abn al Moazam)
Ramadan (or Ramzn, long form Raman al Mubarak)
Shawwal (or Shawwal al Mukarram)
Dhu al-Qi'dah
Dhu al-HijjahThe three successive forbidden months mentioned by Muhammad (months in which battles are forbidden) are Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah, and Muharram, thus excluding an intercalary month before Muharram. The single forbidden month is Rajab. These months were considered forbidden both within the new Islamic calendar and within the old pagan Meccan calendar, although whether they maintained their "forbidden" status after the conquest of Mecca has been disputed among Islamic scholars.
peace
Salaam Afridi
At the moment we are working on Ayman's theroy and not the forbidden months you stated above. I am trying to ascertain when Ramadan could be, if the fighting took place in hot weather.
Bilalhammd is showing that, if we apply Aymans thery, the forbiden months are not in the hot months as the surah indicates.
I hope this helps
peace