Do you believe hijab is mandatory?
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Luthador, dont worry. This place is not like other sites you've been to. There are probably a good amount of people that share your view.
Hijab is the pilgramige, right?
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Thats right, thanks.
Then Luthador, I can say that nearly no one here thinks it should be mandatory.
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luthador_sucks,
Let's look at what the Quran says regarding what a woman should wear
726 O Children of Adam, We have sent down for you garments to cover your bodies, as well as ornaments; and the garment of awareness is the best. That is from God's signs, perhaps they will remember.
731 O Children of Adam, dress nicely at every temple, and eat and drink and do not indulge or waste; He does not like the indulgers and the prodigals.
3359 O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of those who acknowledge that they should lengthen upon themselves their outer garments. That is better so that they would be recognized and not harmed. God is Forgiver, Compassionate.
The above verse applies to Muslim women living in a land where the men harass women. God tells us that It will not abide such men living in the same land as believers, and so unless such men stop harassing women, they may be evicted from the land, or even killed if they go so far as to rape a woman (3360-61). I don't think 3559 applies to women where rape is rare.
2431 Tell the acknowledging women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts, and that they should not show off their attraction except what is apparent, and let them cast their clothes over their cleavage. Let them not show off their attraction except to their husbands, or their fathers, or fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or their children that come after them, or those who are still their dependants, or the male servants who are without need, or the child who has not yet understood the nakedness of women. Let them not strike with their feet in a manner that reveals what they are keeping hidden of their attraction. Repent to God, all of you acknowledgers, so that you may succeed.
So you see, none of these verses tell women to wear the hijab. Women may wear the hijab if they want to, but they shouldn't think of wearing one as a commandment from God.
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luthador_sucks,
Let's look at what the Quran says regarding what a woman should wear
726 O Children of Adam, We have sent down for you garments to cover your bodies, as well as ornaments; and the garment of awareness is the best. That is from God's signs, perhaps they will remember.
731 O Children of Adam, dress nicely at every temple, and eat and drink and do not indulge or waste; He does not like the indulgers and the prodigals.
3359 O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of those who acknowledge that they should lengthen upon themselves their outer garments. That is better so that they would be recognized and not harmed. God is Forgiver, Compassionate.
The above verse applies to Muslim women living in a land where the men harass women. God tells us that It will not abide such men living in the same land as believers, and so unless such men stop harassing women, they may be evicted from the land, or even killed if they go so far as to rape a woman (3360-61). I don't think 3559 applies to women where rape is rare.
2431 Tell the acknowledging women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts, and that they should not show off their attraction except what is apparent, and let them cast their clothes over their cleavage. Let them not show off their attraction except to their husbands, or their fathers, or fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or their children that come after them, or those who are still their dependants, or the male servants who are without need, or the child who has not yet understood the nakedness of women. Let them not strike with their feet in a manner that reveals what they are keeping hidden of their attraction. Repent to God, all of you acknowledgers, so that you may succeed.
So you see, none of these verses tell women to wear the hijab. Women may wear the hijab if they want to, but they shouldn't think of wearing one as a commandment from God.
What a great view you have, well then why do people, like al afran/araf support it?
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Thank you
I suppose you shoul ask Al Araf.
nah i dun wana get in arguement, i'd rather stick to free minded ways
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Intelligent answer luthador.
Peace
Well, thanks, sun
All praises are for Allah/God -
ls,
Do not mistake being "free minded" with being "right". The two do not always go together.
"hijab" does not even mean "headscarf" in The Quran. In fact, it doesn't even mean an item of clothing. You can read every verse using this word here 746, 1745, 1917, 3353, 3832, 415, 4251
The above is just clarifying the word usage. To rule out "headcover" you'd have to do further research.
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ls,
Do not mistake being "free minded" with being "right". The two do not always go together.
"hijab" does not even mean "headscarf" in The Quran. In fact, it doesn't even mean an item of clothing. You can read every verse using this word here 746, 1745, 1917, 3353, 3832, 415, 4251
The above is just clarifying the word usage. To rule out "headcover" you'd have to do further research.
well these disputes wiil just keep on going on for ever. Endless only Allah knows best (
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Do not mistake being "free minded" with being "right". The two do not always go together.
This is correct. When I made the comment of luthador giving an intelligent answer, my meaning was that we should all have a "free" mind and not be enslaved by generations before us... just because they followed a certain way. We must verify and not follow blindly.
Peace
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This is correct. When I made the comment of luthador giving an intelligent answer, my meaning was that we should all have a "free" mind and not be enslaved by generations before us... just because they followed a certain way. We must verify and not follow blindly.
Peace
so what excatly is wrong with me? I am trying to be righteous, free minded and not extracavenge.
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so what excatly is wrong with me? I am trying to be righteous, free minded and not extracavenge.
I never said anything was wrong with you. I was simply agreeing with you. Sorry for the confusion.
Btw, I voted the hijab is optional, assuming you mean the traditional headscarf. Not just optional, but IMO, it has nothing to do with Islam.
Peace
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I never said anything was wrong with you. I was simply agreeing with you. Sorry for the confusion.
Peace
no problem but wakas wasnt
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luthador_sucks,
Let's look at what the Quran says regarding what a woman should wear
726 O Children of Adam, We have sent down for you garments to cover your bodies, as well as ornaments; and the garment of awareness is the best. That is from God's signs, perhaps they will remember.
731 O Children of Adam, dress nicely at every temple, and eat and drink and do not indulge or waste; He does not like the indulgers and the prodigals.
3359 O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of those who acknowledge that they should lengthen upon themselves their outer garments. That is better so that they would be recognized and not harmed. God is Forgiver, Compassionate.
The above verse applies to Muslim women living in a land where the men harass women. God tells us that It will not abide such men living in the same land as believers, and so unless such men stop harassing women, they may be evicted from the land, or even killed if they go so far as to rape a woman (3360-61). I don't think 3559 applies to women where rape is rare.
2431 Tell the acknowledging women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts, and that they should not show off their attraction except what is apparent, and let them cast their clothes over their cleavage. Let them not show off their attraction except to their husbands, or their fathers, or fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or their children that come after them, or those who are still their dependants, or the male servants who are without need, or the child who has not yet understood the nakedness of women. Let them not strike with their feet in a manner that reveals what they are keeping hidden of their attraction. Repent to God, all of you acknowledgers, so that you may succeed.
So you see, none of these verses tell women to wear the hijab. Women may wear the hijab if they want to, but they shouldn't think of wearing one as a commandment from God.
Outstanding.
Excellent.
Awesome.
Exactly what i would say.
