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God's Systems of Guidance and Misguidance

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    youssef4342
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    God's Systems of Guidance and Misguidance

    *People need to realise that God Almighty has placed a "System of Guidance and Misguidance", whereby people get guided or misguided based on their actions/deeds etc. We therefore have a glimpse on who's likely to be Guided and Misguided.

    God Guides
    God guides those who are Nice (684, 37121)
    God guides those who Believe & Do good (109)
    God guides those who Strive in his cause (2969)
    God guides those who Obey/Repent (1327, 4213)
    God guides those who Seek his Acceptance/Approval (516)

    God Does NOT Guide
    God does not guide the Guilty (386)
    God does not guide the Corrupt* (510
    God does not guide the Arrogants (7146)
    God does not guide the Agressors (1074)
    God does not guide the criminals (1512, 26200)
    God does not guide the Evil-doers (1427, 6144)
    God does not guide those who do bad things (3010)
    God does not guide the transgressing Liers (402
    God does not guide the lying Unappreciative (393)
    God does not guide the transgressing Doubters (4034)
    God does not guide those who don?t expect to meet him (1011)
    God does not guide those who believe, disbelieve, believe, then disbelieve again (4137)
    God does not guide the Disbelievers (937, 567, 16104) and Leads them farther astray (4074)
    God does not guide people who violate His covenant after pledging to uphold it, and 2) sever/go against what God has commanded to be joined (i.e what was intended by the covenant) and 3) to the extend of them spreading corruption on earth (I.e the corruptors 226-27; *Also "the Corrupt" are intentionally NOT guided in 299, 924 1033, 636)

    What can lead people astray
    Following Chiefs/Rulers etc. (3367)
    Following Basless Narrarations (Arabic Hadiths) (316)
    Following your own Desires can lead people astray (3826)
    Following the majority of people on earth can lead you astray (6116)
    Following/Allying yourself with the Devil (224). Taking God's enemies as your allies (601)
    The Devil can Mislead humans (3662). In fact He has promised to mislead humans (4119)
    Disbelieving Humans mislead others (7124). Humans & Jinns can lead others astray (4129)

    Who is Misguided?
    Those who do Evil/Wrong (3111)
    Those who do not Reason (2544)
    Those who Associate with God (4116)
    Those who do not Remember God (3922)
    Those who invoke others besides God (465)
    Those who Disobey God and His messenger (3336)
    Those who Don?t respond to God?s messenger (4632)
    Those who Doubt the hour, or Judgement day (421
    Those who Doubt/Oppose the Quran is from God (4152)
    Those who will be gathered to hell on their faces (2534)
    Those who God has cursed and set his wrath upon (560)
    Those who follow their own desires without guidance from God (2850)
    Those who disbelieved after believing (210 and and increase in disbelief (390)
    Those who Disbelieving in God, his angels, his books, his messengers, and Judgment day (4136)
    Those who favor this worldly life over the afterlife, and repel from the path of God, and seek to makeit crooked (143)
    Those Humans and Jinns who have Hearts which they don?t use to percieve, eyes which they don?t use to see with, and ears which they don?t use to hear with (7179)

    What does God guide with?
    The Quran
    Guides to Righteousness (721-2)
    Guides to the Truth and the Staight path (4630)
    Guides to the Most Stable/Balanced path (179)
    Guides to the path of the Almighty, the Praiseworthy (346)
    The Quran Is guidance and mercy for the Good doers/Nice people (313) for Believers (7203, 12111) for Submitters (1689) for those who are certain in belief (4520)
    ?With it, God guides those who seek His approval. He guides them to the paths of peace, and leads them out of the darkness into the light by His leave, and guides them into a straight path (516).

    Whomever God guides is the truly guided one, and whomever He sends astray, you will not find a guiding teacher for him (1817). Proclaim, "He is The Most Gracious; we believe in Him, and we trust in Him. You will surely find out who is really far astray." (6729)

    Blessed is the Lord God, the Most Supreme High god!

    sun

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      KDC501
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      A very good post brother youssef. yay But you're missing one more

      God Guides the Sincere 5675-80

      Peace,

      Kevin

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        A very good post brother youssef. yay But you're missing one more
        God Guides the Sincere 5675-80
        Peace,
        Kevin

        Peace be with you as well. Thanks, i actually had this as a draft and left it for a couple of months, Thanks to God that i got to finish it today.
        Personally, i take 5679 to mean that we would have to be pure/wash our hands before touching the Quran. Because the word here is "pure", and during ablution/wudu, God wants to make us "pure" 56.... This is where i would claim that Ablution/wudu/washing hands would have to be done before touching the Quran as per 5679, since only the pure can touch it, and again, by doing ablution, we become more pure as per 56.

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          Peace be with you as well. Thanks, i actually had this as a draft and left it for a couple of months, Thanks to God that i got to finish it today.
          Personally, i take 5679 to mean that we would have to be pure/wash our hands before touching the Quran. Because the word here is "pure", and during ablution/wudu, God wants to make us "pure" 56.... This is where i would claim that Ablution/wudu/washing hands would have to be done before touching the Quran as per 5679, since only the pure can touch it, and again, by doing ablution, we become more pure as per 56.

          Well i respect your interpretation. Everyone has slightly different views depending on there level of understanding. To me the verses are metaphoric and too serious to just mean simply "wash your hands prior to touching the the Quran" Look at it this way anyone can grasp the quran after they wash there hands. What would be the point of God swearing that 'none can grasp it except those pure' if a idol worshiper can simply hold the Quran (physically) without washed hands??? Its more obvious to me to mean something much more profound that. Also the verses never expressly commanded anyone to 'wash there hands prior to reading or using the Quran' .

          5675 I do swear by the positions of the stars. (God is making an oath. This must be taken seriously)
          5676 This is an oath, if you only knew, that is great.
          5677 It is an honorable Quran.
          5678 In a protected record. (means a guarded book)
          5679 None can grasp it except those pure. (since it is guarded the book it is only made accessibly to the sincere. Pure is methaphoric)
          5680 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.

          Knowledge and understanding of the Quran is only meant for those who sincerely seek knowledge (the pure). And according to the Quran guidance is in stages.

          May God guide us all. This is my interpretation according to my level of understanding.

          Peace,
          Kevin

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            A book and its content is an object. Even if the word of GOD is written on it.

            If GOD

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              A book and its content is an object. Even if the word of GOD is written on it.

              I thought the truth sets you free , not put you in bondage?

              "What is wrong with your logic/reasoning? " 68 36.

              Peace

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                I respect your understanding as well, now i could relate to it when i checked the Arabic.
                http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=56&verse=79#(56792)
                I'm not sure if i'm going to added in the Manuscript which i'm currently working on. May God Almighty Support us.

                Peace Good logic
                do explain what you mean.

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                  I respect your understanding as well, now i could relate to it when i checked the Arabic.
                  http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=56&verse=79#(56792)
                  I'm not sure if i'm going to added in the Manuscript which i'm currently working on. May God Almighty Support us.

                  Peace Good logic
                  do explain what you mean.

                  I agree in the translation of the word. But not is what it means . For example look at these two sentences

                  ?You must have a clean heart to take the sword.? ?The definition of the word ?clean? is derived from the context of the sentence and common sense. For example you cannot literally clean your heart. Here clean must mean ?a pure heart?
                  ?You must have clean hands before doing surgery.? ? The meaning of this sentence clearly means the washing of hands or personally cleanness.

                  The same is true with these verses

                  5675 I do swear by the positions of the stars. (God is making an oath. This must be taken seriously)
                  5676 This is an oath, if you only knew, that is great.
                  5677 It is an honorable Quran.
                  5678 In a protected record. (means a guarded book)
                  5679 None can grasp it except those pure. (since it is guarded the book it is only made accessibly to the sincere. Pure is methaphoric)
                  5680 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.

                  What would be the point of God saying that the Quran is in a ?protected record? if every ?ordinary bystander? can touch the Quran by simply buying the book or going to the library??? How is the book protected then??? So obviously the meaning of these verse are much more profound than simply washing of the hands(cleanness of the body). It is the mind that must be pure. Not the body. A pure/sincere mind leads to understanding.

                  May God guide us all

                  Peace,

                  Kevin

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                    good_logic
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                    Peace youssef4342.

                    I meant a book is just that. The writing in it does not change it. We do not need to wash. We need to set our mind to receive the word of GOD. Purify our thought. Get ready to learn and accept.
                    Also if we are reading/studying using a computer or listening to scripture on TV/Video/CD... We need to purify our mind.
                    Peace

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                      Peace be with you guys as well.
                      Well, whichever your belief is. Logically one should show some respect to a scripture...

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                        Greetings and Peace, all group

                        Regarding physical cleaning versus spiritual cleaning, perhaps 443 and 56 may shed some understanding on the matter. 56 uses the same root; 443 appears to not use the same root.

                        Back to the original post, it reminds me of other posts...(excerpts quoted)

                        AQ instructs who is "more wicked".

                        The categories of "more wicked" follow (please note that hell is NOT limited to the following categories!)

                        1. those who prevent the temples of GOD that His name be mentioned in them; and they seek their destruction. (AQ 2114)

                        2. one who conceals a testimony with him from GOD (2140)

                        3. one who invents lies about GOD (621, 693, 6144, 737, 1017, 1118, 1815, 3932, 617)

                        4. one who denies ALLAH's revelations (621, 6157, 737, 1017)

                        5. or turns away from ALLAH's revelations (6157, 1857, 3222,)

                        6. one who says "I will bring down the same as what GOD has sent down." (693)

                        7. one who denies the truth when it comes to them (3932)

                        Note that telling lies is mentioned in AQ more than twice any other category.

                        There is also the category of "more astray"

                        1. he who follows his desire, without guidance from GOD (2850)

                        2. he who calls on others besides GOD (465)

                        More astray is not guarantee of a different end; the astray are called wicked in 2850.

                        Also worth mentioning

                        986 Those who rejected from the people of the Book and the polytheists are in the fires of Hell abiding therein, those are the worst of creation.

                        Although they are worst of creation, they may not have the worst punishment reserved for them ~exclusively~. Do you punish the murderer of 33 people any different than the murderer of 32 people? Who gets the worst punishment according to AQ?

                        274 As for those who do not believe in the Hereafter, We have made their work appear pleasing to them, so they walk around blind.

                        275 They will have the worst retribution, and in the Hereafter they are the biggest losers.

                        Also, youssef4342's previous post that lists what ALLAH loves/does not love

                        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603058.0;all

                        May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.

                        peace

                        ~Abdul-Hadi

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                          youssef4342
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                          Peace & greetings to you as well group

                          Thank you for reminding me with that posting, i forgot about it.
                          And thank you for sharing your compilation also. I am currently working on a manuscript, and your work might be used and revised into their.

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                            Abdul-Hadi
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                            Peace & greetings to you as well group

                            Thank you for reminding me with that posting, i forgot about it.
                            And thank you for sharing your compilation also. I am currently working on a manuscript, and your work might be used and revised into their.

                            @ youssef4342 sun handshake

                            peace

                            ~Abdul-Hadi

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                              youssef4342
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                              Video version
                              God's Systems of Guidance and Misguidance
                              http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq1lYW6chlA

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                                Great job. Thank you for this. yay

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                                  Fantastic thread. Jazak Allah khair for it youssef.

                                  Is the final document done?

                                  فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ
                                  So strive as in a race in all virtues! 5:48

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                                    Yes, very good thread.

                                    Concerning the purity to touch Qur'an, I think that it means purity of intention, purity of heart. But the pyshical and ritual may have its place as a reminder. When we are left to our thought we may wander away from their aim and foundations, from our purpose, the material world is a call back to "business", to the real commitment. I do not think however that it should be taken as the real value but as instrumental value, what is importnt is what really changes the heart, and that goes hand in hand with change in our earthly doings.

                                    Salaam

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                                      This may sound weird and incomprehensible... but yes I agree that purity of intention is important, but also purity FROM the mind. When we are lost in our mind, which is just like a computer having a huge data base (memories, experience), projection capabilities (guessing, predicting, worrying) and processing capabilities (logic, reason, thinking), we are not really connected to 'upstairs'... and hence it is much more difficult to receive inspiration and epiphanies. Had it been possible to grasp the quran only through logic, reason, thinking and intelligence, then all brilliant, hi-IQ atheists would have seen the truth in it. But all they see are language and contradictions.

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                                        This may sound weird and incomprehensible... but yes I agree that purity of intention is important, but also purity FROM the mind. When we are lost in our mind, which is just like a computer having a huge data base (memories, experience), projection capabilities (guessing, predicting, worrying) and processing capabilities (logic, reason, thinking), we are not really connected to 'upstairs'... and hence it is much more difficult to receive inspiration and epiphanies. Had it been possible to grasp the quran only through logic, reason, thinking and intelligence, then all brilliant, hi-IQ atheists would have seen the truth in it. But all they see are language and contradictions.

                                        O0

                                        Very good point!

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