women's dress code question?
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6611 And God gave an example to those who believed, Pharaoh's woman (wife) when she said "My Lord build for me at You a home in the Paradise and save/rescue me from Pharaoh and his deed, and save/rescue me from the nation the unjust/oppressive.
Very direct, to the point and convincing! Well done Hasan bravo
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May peace and blessings and mercy of Allah be upon you all angel
okay I have got a question about this and I am hoping you guys can answer plz I beg you reply politely as you guys are free-minded and follower of god/Allah, if I ask this in a different forum I will be killed elektro so that is excatly why I am here pr so plz reply nicely & & &
okay here http//free-minds.org/women/scarf.htm you good people are saying that hijab(covering head) aint mandatory right? The parts that made me think, I've highlighted them, so now here is my question it is simple, ah well plz do not get angry, remove if inappropriate, so what I wana ask if If in a western country a Muslim female/girl wears skirt around the knees would that be haram? Now I said for western country only, because there it is mentioned that god knows we will be living in different culture and communities, so in western country would god give sins? and in that article it is also mentioned women living in egypt will not accept modesty of one from NY, and etc etc. so, & plz answer politely. now, the reason I am asking is not cause I like seeing porn, plz understand that, it is because I use to live in canada, so i just wana know.I see nothing wrong with a muslim girl western or not to wear a skirt to the lenght of the knee's. As long as she isn't showing her
private parts and the skirt isn't too shorter that it goes to the section of being not modest. Plus she has to cover her cleavage as
well.PEACE
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Al Araf - The Qur'an advises the wives of the Prophet (SAS) to go veiled was a summary of the verse- (33 59). My opening question was is this a trusted site?
Of course one must obey GOD, not a custom of man.
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YUSUFALI And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.
PICKTHAL And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.
SHAKIR And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful.033.059
YUSUFALI O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad) that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. -
salam. this post is not to any person in particular.
there is no dispute that khimar is a cover. my opposition is to believing women who go in public uncovered. there is no way this verse appproves of an uncovered believing woman in public. i oppose any publicly uncovered woman's claim that she is mominah. devolving the debate into a dispute over scarf, shawl, veil, hijab, jilbab, or any other type of cover, as a device to avoid obedience to allah, is disingenious.
allah is the law.
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the word khimar is from the syllables kmr. this does not mean head cover.
pls try taking an older chambers dictionary and look up the word pig. A pig is a swine. A pig is a pig. but in newer dictionaries the word is also mentioned as a slang for cop. THIS IS IN THE DICTIONARY.
Over time because of a word used and hacked to mean something what comes to mind when the word is mentioned changes.
What do you think the word "GAY" meant in the old poems. Gay colors, happy and gay etc.
Gay didnt mean homosexual but now when the word is mentioned we only think of homosexuality.
same way Khimaruhoonna as mentioned in the Quran does not mean head cover. it is very lately that it has been a controversial word that has been turned to mean head cover. people actually sell a head cover that is called a khimar. But it never meant head cover those days. a khimar is a cover. could be a table cover too.
draw a cover over your chest. not trying to be crude but maybe a proper Bra is necessary. Exposing the breast is not allowed in Islam. this is what god says in the Quran.
look at the word hijab. Everyone knows what hijab means in these modern times. this is one of the most conspired, talked about and penalised words in this world.
the Quran has the word Hijab but never uses it to mean a garment for females or a concept for women. never. but modern thinking will never accept it. even though it is mentioned in the Quran seven times to mean something else. Many who call themselves muslims will not accept it.
hijab is nothing to do with a concept or garment for ladies. khimar is not a head cover but a cover.
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Al Araf - The Qur'an advises the wives of the Prophet (SAS) to go veiled was a summary of the verse- (33 59). My opening question was is this a trusted site?
Of course one must obey GOD, not a custom of man.
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YUSUFALI And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.
PICKTHAL And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.
SHAKIR And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful.033.059
YUSUFALI O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad) that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.Disagree with your interpretation - none of those say to cover your face, or even your hair. As all three translations point out - the garments are so they ARE recognised, so it's a big mistake to assume it is about hiding your identify the way a veil does. Big difference between a cloak and a veil. 2431 says to cover your breasts, not your hair.
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That's what I just did! I referenced to both Quranic verses PVB had already quoted!
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salam liquiddharma. you have not substantiated you claims. you have no basis for you claims that believing women are not required to cover themselves.
pvb does not realize his post shows believeing women are required to cover themselves. referencing pvbs post is the opposite of what you are claiming.
allah exposes falsehood with the truth.
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You don't seem to understand the difference between the hair on one's head, and one's breasts and private parts. The Quran says guard your privates and cover your bosom. Therefore that it what is required. Stop trying to innovate.
Allah is all knowing, and all merciful.
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salam liquiddharma. your replies are not responsive.
i consider your posts to be the replies of a rejecter.
allah is the truth.
Salaam Al Araf
Enough is enough. Please stop accusing people of being rejectors and non believers. You are not the God's porte parole.
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salam samia. i object to your comments. you are entitled your personal opinions. however you have a conflict of interest between your pesonal opinions and your position as moderator.
it is right and noble for allah to call those who rejects his quran, rejecters. i am of the way of allah, i do the same. i asked liquiddharma to say the shahada and he refused. clearly he is indeed a rejecter. a rejecter pretending to be a believer is misleading muslims, i see no good reason for your supporting a non believer.
allah is the truth.
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salam shohorabA and liquiddharma. substantiate your claims that believing women are not required to cover themselves with verses from the quran.
allah exposes all falsehood.
yes your Highness. I will try to abide.
Quran does not say not to cover yourself. I didnt say that "believing women are not required to cover themselves". I only said about the word Khimar and that it doesnt mean head cover.
Khimar does not mean head cover. It means cover. Comprehensible???
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salam samia. i object to your comments. you are entitled your personal opinions. however you have a conflict of interest between your pesonal opinions and your position as moderator.
it is right and noble for allah to call those who rejects his quran, rejecters. i am of the way of allah, i do the same. i asked liquiddharma to say the shahada and he refused. clearly he is indeed a rejecter. a rejecter pretending to be a believer is misleading muslims, i see no good reason for your supporting a non believer.
allah is the truth.
So you will send them to hell, I suppose? This is also the way of Allah, isn't it?
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salam samia. inshallah, if allah has consigned rejecters to jahannum and azaab, i support every decision of allah.
allah is the truth.
sure. Every one here calling ourselves muslims do the same.
However. you called others rejectors. Which shows that you have put yourself as Ilah.
la ilaha illallah
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salam samia. i object to your comments. you are entitled your personal opinions. however you have a conflict of interest between your pesonal opinions and your position as moderator.
it is right and noble for allah to call those who rejects his quran, rejecters. i am of the way of allah, i do the same. i asked liquiddharma to say the shahada and he refused. clearly he is indeed a rejecter. a rejecter pretending to be a believer is misleading muslims, i see no good reason for your supporting a non believer.
allah is the truth.
I don't like bringing religion into politics where it is unnecessary, and all you talk about is politics, there is nothing Godly in what you say, so no I won't parrot out holy words for your amusement. Allah did not give them to us to be used so cheaply.
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salam samia. i object to your comments. you are entitled your personal opinions. however you have a conflict of interest between your pesonal opinions and your position as moderator.
it is right and noble for allah to call those who rejects his quran, rejecters. i am of the way of allah, i do the same. i asked liquiddharma to say the shahada and he refused. clearly he is indeed a rejecter. a rejecter pretending to be a believer is misleading muslims, i see no good reason for your supporting a non believer.
allah is the truth.
Salam,
I'm more worried about those who declare they're Muslims and use God "Allah" as a coma in order to appear more righteous, than those who simply stick to the topic..
Peace.
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"they should draw their veils over their bosoms"
...When the pre-Islamic Arabs went to battle, Arab women seeing the men off to war would bare their breasts to encourage them to fight;
Anyone know who the "classical commentators" are?
According to most of the classical commentators, it was worn in pre-Islamic times more or less as an ornament and was let down loosely over the wearers back. And since, in accordance with the fashion prevalent at the time, the upper part of a womans tunic had a wide opening in the front, her breasts were left bare.
http//www.peak.sfu.ca/the-peak/2005-1/issue6/le-headscarves.html