Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Umm,
If verses, w,y, and z used 'witness' with 'that or against' and verses t,u, and v don't, and thus they have a variance in meaning, CLEARLY, then how can you take how 'witness' is used in w, y and z and superimpose that onto t, u and v??? What you are really doing then, if you insist on looking at witness in 2185 like this, is ADDING WORDS to the god's, LAA YAJUUZ, NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THE LEAST, be warned.
Please write clearly and logically not in garbled cryptology.
Example...
2185...so who witnessed from you the full moon, so he should fast it...
How do we fast the full moon?
Peace Ayman,
Your preconceptions are what is driving you. Why did you mention 9 year old girls as opposed to 10 or 11? It is called preconceptions. Why can't you get your ego to admit to the indisputable fact that "nisa'a" means women and not girls? Preconceptions.
This is what I wrote...
This same twisting fanatics use to condone sex with 9 year olds.
Why do you preconceive I agree with FANATICS who twist verses?
Of course the verse is about woman; one can only divorce a woman.So even if they get a period every three months, they still have to count them because a period every three months is not "despaired from ever mensturating again".
You completely missed it!
Waalla-ee ya-isna mina almaheedi min nisa-ikum ini irtabtum faAAiddatuhunna thalathatu ashhurin waalla-ee lam yahidna waolatu al-ahmali ajaluhunna an yadaAAna hamlahunna waman yattaqi Allaha yajAAal lahu min amrihi yusran
654 And those (F) who became infertile/despaired from the menstruation from your women, if you became doubtful/suspicious, so their term/count (is) three months, and those (F) who did not menstruate, and (those) of the pregnant...
How many ?and those? (waalla-ee) are in the above verse?
How many different groups of women?According to you (women who do not menstrate)...
IF divorced day before a full moon she waits 2 months
IF divorced day after a full moon she waits 3 monthsHow can the same woman wait 2 or 3 months?
According to you how long should women with irregular menses wait...
IF menses is every 3 to 5 weeks?
92 So travel in the earth four full moons
IF day before a full moon 3 months
IF day after a full moon 4 monthsHow absurd contradictive and inconsistent.
Blame Classical Arabic dictionaries. They clearly said that "shahr" means "full-moon" long before I was born.
What else do they say "shahr" means?
You are now inventing your own scripture that says what you like to imagine.
Exactly describes the "fantasies" you love to imagine.
Notice that you are not contesting anymore that we have to count exactly 12 full-moons (936) in a solar year (1712) to maintain the lunar cycle in sync with the seasons and not violate the hunting restrictions. It is not because you suddenly started to like me or because you want to do me a favor. It is because this amazingly simple and elegant mechanism is indisputable. The only astonishing question in my mind is how come no one thought of this before.
There you go presuming again. You are right; futile to discuss any longer.
Full moon, so nonsensical -- who wouda thunk it!
Peace
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Peace Tlepsh,
In Lanes Lexicon, it is as follows
3idda = a number collected together; a number collectively. You say ?raaytu 3iddata rijalin? I saw a number of men collected together.What does Lane say about "3iddat AL-rijjal", if anything?
Can you tell Samia, Truthseeker and me what you think the difference is between "3iddat AL-shuhoor" and "3iddat shuhoor"?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Anthony,
So is this how the additional month is used, by not droping the . 37 ( the . 37 is almost 50% ( nearly half a month), thus every other year it would add up to close to a month ( the additional month/ or 13 months in one year )... If I am understandin this correctly. I dont know. And how do we only count 12 months and drop the .37
If you count "months" then things will never add up. If you drop .37 then you are out of sync with the lunar cycle and your "months" are not based on the moon anymore. The .37 is almost .33 or 1/3 of a lunar month NOT half. So to add up to a whole of a month you would need to intercalate every three years (not every other year). However, even this will be inacurate over a longer period since it is .37 and not .33 so you will eventually be out of sync again. More importantly, you would be violating 936 TWO out of THREE years (where you are counting 12.37 "months" until you accumulate the approximate "1" in year 3).
THE ONLY WAY you can have a solar year with a lunar cycle that is in sync with the seasons is if you count EXACTLY 12 full-moons EVERY SINGLE year (936) and not "months". It is amazingly simple. Please see my earlier post above where I list the actual full-moons from 2005-2010 and see how simple it is to count 12 full-moons every single year and automatically sync with the solar year as per 936 and 1712
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg178453#msg178453
And I would like some straight answers from you... And not no too long explanations...If you can, tell me what is is that you are trying to say in a couple sentances....I know we learn by reading, but I dont like reading long posts and dont be havin the paitience especially with no proofs. And bring your proofs. Gather all your evedences together. Do this for me.( quranic evedence or the previous Scripyure, or some real facts, about your claims. And we take it from there.
If you are looking for real facts without much reading then see the real full-moons from 2005-2010 here and see how based on 936 and 1712 the lunar cycle is perfectly in sync with the seasons
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg178453#msg178453
I hope this helps.
Peace,
Ayman
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Salaam Tlepsh
Thank you for bringing up this difference in the two ways "3idda" is used. I think it will help know the difference between "ashhur" and "shuhuur".
First of all, 3idda is a verbal noun ( ) of the verb "3adda" which means to count.
There's a difference in meaning between "3iddat rijaal" and "3iddat ar-rijaal" where the second part of the construction is definite or indefinite (rijaal and arrijaal). The first means "a counted number of men" and the second means "the count of men". Notice how one construction is indefinite and the other is definite as a whole.Analogically, we say "3iddata ashhur" meaning a counted amount/number (usually not a big number) of ashhur, and "3iddatul shuhuur" which means the count of shuhuur. I can say that I understand from these two differences that shuhuur is of a bigger amount than ashhur, or shuhuur is the collective plural, whereas ashhur is a countable plural. Example of "baqara a cow" From 3 to ten cows we say "baqaraat", but we also have the collective plural "baqar" without a definite count/amount/number.
Minha It can correctly mean "from them" if it refers to non-human plural. The plural of non humans is treated like a singular feminine according to the Arabic rules. But you are also right, if we consider that the pronoun refers to the "3idda" counting four restricted ashhur out of the count of shuhuur.
I would not say "aldeenul qayyem" is the same as "sunnatullaah"
Please compare ?alshahr al3eqaary? to ?alshahr alharam?
Only when "shahr" is in the singular. When it's "ashhur" or "shuhuur", it can only mean full moon.
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Peace everyone,
I think there is a misunderstanding of 654. It is describing two categories of women, not three.
A woman who has been menstruating before and stopped menstruating (secondary amenorrhea) could be for two reasons
- Pregnancy
- Reasons other than pregnancy
The first interim (3 full-moons) is for women who stopped menstruating but there is doubt whether they are pregnant or not. They will wait for 3 full-moons before divorce is finalized.
The second interim is for women who have stopped menstruating because of pregnancy, i.e. they definitely know they are pregnant. Their interim is until they give birth.
654 As for the women who have despaired from menstruation, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months. And for those whose menstruation has ceased, and those who are pregnant, their interim is until they give birth. And anyone who reverences God, He makes his matters easy for him.
If "those whose menstruation has ceased" is a group separate from "those who are pregnant", then it would lead to the nonsensical interpretation that those who are not menstruating without being pregnant will wait until they give birth ??? "Wa" in Arabic does not always separate two different categories but can also link two attributes of the same category. The context will clarify the usage.
The above bolded part is referring to the same category, i.e. women who have stopped menstruating because of pregnancy. It should be read as "those whose menstruation has ceased THAT IS those who are pregnant".
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Peace Nun,
Sorry if it was over simplified for you.
If verses, w,y, and z used 'witness' with 'that or against' and verses t,u, and v don't, and thus they have a variance in meaning, CLEARLY, then how can you take how 'witness' is used in w, y and z and superimpose that onto t, u and v??? What you are really doing then, if you insist on looking at witness in 2185 like this, is ADDING WORDS to the god's, LAA YAJUUZ, NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THE LEAST, be warned.
Here it is again
If several verses use the verb 'witness' with the words, 'that or against' and other verses use 'witness' without 'that or against', which shows a difference in meaning, then how can you take 'witness' as used in the verses with the additional 'that or against' and superimpose that meaning onto verses that use 'witness' without 'that or against???
For example, some verses say 'bear witness against (something)', OR, 'bear witness that (such and such)'. In verse 2185 and those similar it's just 'witness (as in seeing) something'. Please tell me that you see the difference. If you insist on looking at 'witness (as in seeing) something' as in 2185 the same as it's used in the first examples, with an additional 'that' or 'against', then you are ADDING WORDS to the god's! I hope this is clear enough now. If you claim that what you are doing is allowed, to interchange the usage of this word as you feel like, then prove it with the god's book. As for now, His words are refuting you.As far as how to fast a full moon, we've shown what is meant and I can't be anymore clear. If you can't understand this, then ask yourself how does a woman wait 3 menstrual cycles when they start and stop as well? I hope that you can understand what it means to use a MARKER for a starting period and ending period and you are not just being stubborn about this.
Umm Tariq
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Peace truthseeker 11,
654 As for the women who have despaired from menstruation, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months. And for those whose menstruation has ceased, and those who are pregnant, their interim is until they give birth. And anyone who reverences God, He makes his matters easy for him.
If "those whose menstruation has ceased" is a group separate from "those who are pregnant", then it would lead to the nonsensical interpretation that those who are not menstruating without being pregnant will wait until they give birth ??? "Wa" in Arabic does not always separate two different categories but can also link two attributes of the same category. The context will clarify the usage.
The above bolded part is referring to the same category, i.e. women who have stopped menstruating because of pregnancy. It should be read as "those whose menstruation has ceased THAT IS those who are pregnant".
I can't agree with your translation of this verse. First, maybe it's just me but doesn't who have despaired from menstruation say the same as those whose menstruation has ceased? However this part of the verse that you are translating as 'those whose menstruation has ceased' in arabic is 'lam yahidna', those who DIDN'T/ HAVEN'T menstruated. In this case I would take the 'wa' as the additional rule for women who are pregnant, to wait until they give birth, which is reiterated again in verse 6. Did you notice that? Can 'lam yahidna' be translated as 'those whose menstruation has ceased' or does this change how you look at it now? I just had to mention this just to make sure that I am not missing something.
Peace,
Umm Tariq -
Peace every one;
52 ...when you have completed the Hajj, you are free to hunt.
I believe restriction on hunting is to preserve the game in the area during Hajj -- too many people.
Peace Nun de plume
I too believe that hunting is not allawed only when we are going to Hajj. In other words, we can hunt during the 4 restricted months, but we cann't Hunt if we in "Hurm" condition (when performing Hajj). Here are the verses that supports that( (
O ye who believe! fulfil obligations. Lawful unto you are all animals with the exceptions named but animals of the chase (hunting) are forbidden while ye are in the Sacred; for Allah doth command according to His Will and Plan. (1)
O ye who believe! violate not the sanctity of the Symbols of Allah, nor of the Sacred Month, nor of the animals brought for sacrifice, nor the garlands that mark out such animals, nor the people resorting to the Sacred House, seeking of the bounty, and good pleasure of their Lord. But when ye are clear of the Sacred Precincts, ye may hunt and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression. Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour fear Allah for Allah is strict in punishment. (5-2)In the above verses, God says not to hunt when we are "Hurm" (in a Sacred condition). But when such condition is over, it is Ok to Hunt.
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O ye who believe! Allah doth but make a trial of you in a little matter of game well within reach of your hands and your lances, that He may test who feareth Him unseen any who transgress thereafter, will have a grievous penalty. (94) O ye who believe! kill not game while Sacred (Hurm). If any of you doth so intentionally, the compensation is an offering, brought to the Ka'bah of a domestic animal equivalent to the one he killed, as adjudged by two just men among you; or by way of atonement, the feeding of the indigent; or its equivalent in fasts that he may taste of the penalty of his deed. Allah forgives what is past for repetition Allah will exact from him the penalty For Allah is Exalted, and Lord of Retribution. (95) Lawful to you is the pursuit of water-game and its use for food for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel; but forbidden is the pursuit of land-game as long as ye are in Sacred. And fear Allah, to whom ye shall be gathered back. (96) Allah made the Ka'bah the Sacred House, an asylum of security for men, as also the Sacred Months, the animals for offerings, and the garlands that mark them that ye may know that Allah hath knowledge of what is in the heavens and on earth and that Allah is well acquainted with all things. (7-97)
In the above verses God says if someone Kills a game durng his Sacred condition, He will need to compensate by animal that is equivalent to the one he killed; And He will need to Compensate IN KA'BAH.
Thus No one can Hunt while in Sacred Condition, and not While the 4 Sacred months. And if one Hunts and kills an animal, he needs to pay his punishment by the Ka'bah only; hence, he is in Hajj.
What do you think?
Peace
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Peace Nun,
Waalla-ee ya-isna mina almaheedi min nisa-ikum ini irtabtum faAAiddatuhunna thalathatu ashhurin waalla-ee lam yahidna waolatu al-ahmali ajaluhunna an yadaAAna hamlahunna waman yattaqi Allaha yajAAal lahu min amrihi yusran
654 And those (F) who became infertile/despaired from the menstruation from your women, if you became doubtful/suspicious, so their term/count (is) three months, and those (F) who did not menstruate, and (those) of the pregnant...Why do you cut the translation of 654 short. Can't you read the rest of the passage?
How many ?and those? (waalla-ee) are in the above verse?
How many different groups of women?There are three kinds of women divided into two groups
GROUP 1 ----> Wait 3 full moons
- Those who have despaired of menstruation (100% sure are menopause).
GROUP 2 ----> Wait gestation period
2. Those who didn't menstruate (for any reason but didn't despair of menstruation)
3. and those who are pregnant.According to you (women who do not menstrate)...
IF divorced day before a full moon she waits 2 months
IF divorced day after a full moon she waits 3 months
How can the same woman wait 2 or 3 months?Same as according to you (women who menstrate)...
IF divorced day before a menstruation she waits 2 months
IF divorced day after a menstruation she waits 3 monthsAccording to you how long should women with irregular menses wait...
IF menses is every 3 to 5 weeks?3 menstruations.
92 So travel in the earth four full moons
IF day before a full moon 3 months
IF day after a full moon 4 monthsSame as according to you (women who menstrate) if they had to wait four instead of three menstruations...
IF divorced day before a menstruation she waits 3 months
IF divorced day after a menstruation she waits 4 monthsHow absurd contradictive and inconsistent.
By your measure, the god telling the women who menstruate to wait for three menstruations is equally absurd contradictive and inconsistent since it is an indisputable fact that
IF divorced day before a menstruation she waits 2 months
IF divorced day after a menstruation she waits 3 monthsI think that you are the one who is absurd contradictive and inconsistent. You haven't even told us what your "month" is and you instead keep providing a lame excuse that "you are working on it". Well, if you spend more time working on it and less time spewing baseless nonsense and throwing tantrums you would have been done by now.
What else do they say "shahr" means?
Notice that you are not arguing anymore that "shahr" meaning full-moon is baseless.
On the other hand, you have still not proven your baseless claim that "pilgrimage" is mentioned in 52.
Exactly describes the "fantasies" you love to imagine.
There you go presuming again. You are right; futile to discuss any longer.There is no "presuming" on my part. It is an indisputable fact that the word "pilgrimage" is not mentioned in 51-2 and it is only in your fantasy. It is not my problem that you can't read.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Umm Tariq and Truthseeker,
I can't agree with your translation of this verse. First, maybe it's just me but doesn't who have despaired from menstruation say the same as those whose menstruation has ceased? However this part of the verse that you are translating as 'those whose menstruation has ceased' in arabic is 'lam yahidna', those who DIDN'T/ HAVEN'T menstruated. In this case I would take the 'wa' as the additional rule for women who are pregnant, to wait until they give birth, which is reiterated again in verse 6. Did you notice that? Can 'lam yahidna' be translated as 'those whose menstruation has ceased' or does this change how you look at it now? I just had to mention this just to make sure that I am not missing something.
I agree with you. I was just about to answer Truthseeker but you beat me to it. There are three types of women divided into 2 groups in 654
GROUP 1 ----> Wait 3 full moons
- Those who have despaired of menstruation (100% sure are menopause).
GROUP 2 ----> Wait gestation period
2. Those who didn't menstruate (for any reason but didn't despair of menstruation)
3. and those who are pregnant.Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
Sorry you have confused me now too. confused Are you saying, as per your group 2, that 'and those who didn't/ haven't menstruated' should wait the gestation period of those who are pregnant? Maybe you made a typo? I would make
group 1 ---> wait 3 full moons 1. those who have despaired of menstruation 2. those who didn't/ haven't menstruated
Group 2 are those who are pregnant, their 'ajl', specified term til completion, is when they deliver, 'an yada'na hamlahunna'. Do we agree on this?
Umm Tariq
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Peace Umm Tariq and Ayman,
I can't agree with your translation of this verse. First, maybe it's just me but doesn't who have despaired from menstruation say the same as those whose menstruation has ceased? However this part of the verse that you are translating as 'those whose menstruation has ceased' in arabic is 'lam yahidna', those who DIDN'T/ HAVEN'T menstruated. In this case I would take the 'wa' as the additional rule for women who are pregnant, to wait until they give birth, which is reiterated again in verse 6. Did you notice that? Can 'lam yahidna' be translated as 'those whose menstruation has ceased' or does this change how you look at it now? I just had to mention this just to make sure that I am not missing something.
Thank you for the correction.
FIRST POSSIBILITY
654 As for the women who have despaired from menstruation (meaning those whose menstruation has ceased), if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three full-moons, and for those who did not menstruate. And those who are pregnant, their interim is until they give birth. And anyone who reverences God, He makes his matters easy for him.
The full stop is after "lam yahidna".
Group 1 women with primary amenorrhea (those who never menstruated), and those with secondary amenorrhea (those whose menstruation has stopped for reasons other than pregnancy but they are not sure about it).
Group 2 pregnant women (who are 100 % sure of pregnancy).
SECOND POSSIBILITY
What if "lam yahidna wa olatual ahmali" can mean "those who haven't menstruated because of pregnancy". In that case it would read "those who haven't menstruated THAT IS those who are pregnant". The "wa" here between "lam yahidna" and "olatual ahmali" would not indicate two categories but would separate two attributes of the same category. The full stop in this case would be before "lam yahidna". What do you think ?
The translation in that case would be
654 As for the women who have despaired from menstruation (meaning those whose menstruation has ceased), if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three full-moons. And for those who have not menstruated, that is those who are pregnant, their interim is until they give birth. And anyone who reverences God, He makes his matters easy for him.
If this is true then
Group 1 describes women whose menstruation has stopped for reasons other than pregnancy but they are not sure about it.
Group 2 describes women whose menstruation has stopped because of pregnancy (who are 100 % sure of pregnancy).
But this would not include women who never had menstruation (primary amenorrhea). Because of that I would tend to favor your understanding if that is grammatically possible.
Ayman,
There are three types of women divided into 2 groups in 654
GROUP 1 ----> Wait 3 full moons
- Those who have despaired of menstruation (100% sure are menopause).
GROUP 2 ----> Wait gestation period
2. Those who didn't menstruate (for any reason but didn't despair of menstruation)
3. and those who are pregnant.How can those who didn't menstruate wait gestation period? They are not pregnant!
That is what was confusing me initially and there were two possibilities. The one that I mentioned initially or the one Umm Tariq mentioned. I tend to agree with Umm Tariq's understanding because of "lam yahidna" meaning "those who didn't menstruate, unless "lam yahidna wa olatual ahmali" can mean "those who haven't menstruated because of pregnancy". In that case it would read "those who haven't menstruated THAT IS those who are pregnant". What do you think?
Which translation is correct grammatically?
Samia's input is invited also.
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Peace all
Here are anoter signs from God regarding calculating the Month; as you know the Bible, the Old Testement and Quran are the Books of our Creator. Please read the following to understand that the month is calculated from Waxing Crescent to the next Waxing Crescent in the three books; also you will note why Ayman is trying to discount the 13 moon from the year, as the Jews and Christian did.http//www.crivoice.org/calendar.html
http//www.abu.nb.ca/ecm/topics/custom7.htmHappy Rammadn and peace to you all
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Peace Belal,
Peace all
Here are anoter signs from God regarding calculating the Month; as you know the Bible, the Old Testement and Quran are the Books of our Creator. Please read the following to understand that the month is calculated from Waxing Crescent to the next Waxing Crescent in the three books; also you will note why Ayman is trying to discount the 13 moon from the year, as the Jews and Christian did.http//www.crivoice.org/calendar.html
http//www.abu.nb.ca/ecm/topics/custom7.htmHappy Rammadn and peace to you all
Two questions
- Where in the Quran does it say "waxing crescent"? All it says is "crescents" in 2189
- Which of the 24-26 crescents will you use as a marker to start fasting per The Quran?
If you cannot bring evidence from The Quran for answers to the above then please don't bother to reply. The Quran authenticates the previous scriptures, not the other way around.
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Peace everyone,
Excerpt from one of the links Belal provided
"The Rabbis would structure elaboate rules as to what constituted an appearance of the new moon, how many witnesses to the event were necessary, what qualifications those witnesses must possess, etc."
This shows how hard it is to accurately witness a new moon. The current sectarians who follow the Jews instead of The Quran have the same problem of determining the new moon every year and it is an empiric fact that there is always a dispute among them about the appearance of the new moon.
Now let's see what The Quran says
"God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship" (from 2185)
Only self witnessing is enough per The Quran and the full-moon is much easier to witness than the elusive new moon. No elaborate rules needed, no multiple witnesses needed, and no qualifications needed!
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Peace everyone,
Excerpt from one of the links Belal provided
"The Rabbis would structure elaboate rules as to what constituted an appearance of the new moon, how many witnesses to the event were necessary, what qualifications those witnesses must possess, etc."
This shows how hard it is to accurately witness a new moon. The current sectarians who follow the Jews instead of The Quran have the same problem of determining the new moon every year and it is an empiric fact that there is always a dispute among them about the appearance of the new moon.
Now let's see what The Quran says
"God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship" (from 2185)
Only self witnessing is enough per The Quran and the full-moon is much easier to witness than the elusive new moon. No elaborate rules needed, no multiple witnesses needed, and no qualifications needed!
So, you don't deny that calculating the Month starts from the New Moon (Waxing crescent) in all the Books.
So, why do you want to reject God's commendment? Is not enough for you to know that is what God's wants? Why cann't you say "We Hear and we Obay"?Peace
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Peace everyone,
So, you don't deny that calculating the Month starts from the New Moon (Waxing crescent) in all the Books.
So, why do you want to reject God's commendment? Is not enough for you to know that is what God's wants? Why cann't you say "We Hear and we Obay"?The above is a perfect example of fallacy of false premise. giveup
Everyone is invited to study the various logical fallacies
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CategoryLogical_fallacies
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Peace Tlepsh,
What does Lane say about "3iddat AL-rijjal", if anything?
Can you tell Samia, Truthseeker and me what you think the difference is between "3iddat AL-shuhoor" and "3iddat shuhoor"?
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman,
Thank you for your comment. You are right.
Yes it says the COUNT. -
Peace truthseeker,
It would be nice if someone can explain this from the grammatical angle, whether this 'wa' can be used as an additional description or not but I also know that even in the study of arabic grammar, there is taint (rules that don't agree with the great reading). I agree with this conclusion of yours and it makes the most sense
But this would not include women who never had menstruation (primary amenorrhea). Because of that I would tend to favor your understanding if that is grammatically possible.
Taking this verse and 2228 which are about 'divorce', 2228 covers the case for all who have a menstrual cycle, they use it to count by. I see 654 as covering those who don't have a menstrual cycle, due to pregnancy (which is understood) or otherwise, so we have the full moon event to count by or the delivery event to use as an ending. Nice and simple to me.   Let me know what you think.
Umm Tariq
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Peace Ayman,
There are three kinds of women divided into two groups
GROUP 1 ----> Wait 3 full moons
- Those who have despaired of menstruation (100% sure are menopause).
GROUP 2 ----> Wait gestation period
2. Those who didn't menstruate (for any reason but didn't despair of menstruation)
3. and those who are pregnant.Same as according to you (women who menstrate)...
IF divorced day before a menstruation she waits 2 months
IF divorced day after a menstruation she waits 3 months3 menstruations.
Same as according to you (women who menstrate) if they had to wait four instead of three menstruations...
IF divorced day before a menstruation she waits 3 months
IF divorced day after a menstruation she waits 4 monthsBy your measure, the god telling the women who menstruate to wait for three menstruations is equally absurd contradictive and inconsistent since it is an indisputable fact that
IF divorced day before a menstruation she waits 2 months
IF divorced day after a menstruation she waits 3 monthsNotice that you are not arguing anymore that "shahr" meaning full-moon is baseless.
It is not my problem that you can't read.
Ayman?s full moon calendar
- APR 20, 2008
April 21 ? divorce Mrs. A (100% in menopause).
May 19, 2008 ? divorce Mrs. B (100% in menopause).
12. MAY 20, 2008
13. JUNE 18, 2008 (Skip as per 936)
Summer Solstice 2008- JULY 17, 2008 (scorching full moon 200
- AUG 16, 2008
- SEPT 15, 2008
How many days must each woman wait?
Ayman's answer -- the same as menstruating women!
Which menstruating women?
http//www.mckinley.uiuc.edu/Handouts/irregular_menses/irregular_menses.html
The average length of the menstrual cycle is 28 days, however in reality the normal menstrual cycle may vary in length from 26-35 days.
1 lunar month is exactly = 29.53059 days
Menstruating women are inconsistent and have little to do with full moons!92 So travel in the earth four full moons
Ayman?s full moon calendar
11. APR 20, 2008
April 21 ? incident Mr. AMay 19, 2008 ? incident Mr. B
12. MAY 20, 2008
13. JUNE 18, 2008 (Skip as per 936)
Summer Solstice 2008- JULY 17, 2008 (scorching full moon 200
- AUG 16, 2008
- SEPT 15, 2008
How many days does each man travel?
492?And whoso finds this beyond his means, he must fast for two consecutive full moons?
How many days does each man fast?
Ayman's answer to all the above -- the same as menstruating women! laugh
Goodbye and peace be upon you!