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    anthonywallace
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    Peace aw,

    There is no word in the original Arabic meaning "form an intention" there. The original Arabic word is "ibtagh", which means "seek". The correct translation is

    17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your salat, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.

    Salat is a combination of all these and more (see my previous post) in the context of "aqeemo alsalaat"/"establish/uphold salaat" referring to the timed salat of the muslimeen. The word used for prayer in the Quran is "DU'AA".

    Example

    338 It was then that Zachariah prayed to (DA'AA) his Lord, he said ?My Lord, grant me from You a good progeny, You are the hearer of prayers (DU'AA).?

    1439 ?Praise be to God who has granted me in my old age Ishmael and Isaac. My Lord is the hearer of prayers(DU'AA).?
    1440 ?My Lord, let me uphold the connection (SALAAT), and also from my progeny. Our Lord, accept my prayer (DU'AA).?
    1441 ?Our Lord, forgive me and my parents, and the believers on the Day the judgment is called.?

    In 1440 "salaat" is clearly mentioned separate from "du'aa" and shows that "du'aa" can be part of salat. Think of "du'aa"/prayer as SUBSET of "salat". Translating "salat" as "prayer" ignores the other important components of "salat" and is misleading.

    Literal Say "Call God, or call the merciful, whichever you call, so for Him (are) the names the best/most beautiful (the good names), and do not publicize/declare/raise (voice) with your prayers, and do not silence/lower and hide with it, and wish/desire between that a way/method."

    My Translation

    17110 Say call upon God, or call upon the Merciful; whatever you call upon, then the best names are for Him. And do not show-off with your prayers. And do not overawe and hide with it. And form an intention between that.

    ( Here are the words I used with linked meanings

    wish/desire = intention, seek, ect....

    way/method = form, style, ect...)

    So from my understanding " seek" is to " intend."

    Also salat does mean prayer also, and connection, supplication, ect....

    Do you think that it would be clearer to say to one " keep the connection" or " keep the prayers."

    Also what does this mean, can u bring the words for this

    Fasalli lirabbika ( what does salli mean? and why do translaters use it to mean prayer. I thought that this word was salat, untill I looked at the literal&gt

    And how is using the word " prayer" to mean salat is misleading... I think to mix the other components with salat and to say one has to do all these things in order to be considered to have salated, without any proofs is misleading.

    Your understanding of salat is salat = praise, pray, read Quran, kneel, ect....

    my understanding of salat is salat = pray

    I see were u comin from, and for one to know, i know what u are talkin about... Beacuse we are commanded to do all these things within the same time frame...

    And if salat = all these things that u say is a component...then you said "prayer" is a part of this connection too, so show me were we are to pray in the " connection ". I see were we are to read, ect... with the salat...but I dont see anywere were prayer is a part of salat looking at it from ur view.

    peace

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      Peace Mr. Deen,

      http//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/quranindex.html

      I'm looking up prayer.

      If you look up "prayer" the results will be misleading. In the Quran, the word used for "prayer" is "DU'AA" and not "SALAAT". Du'aa/prayer can be part of salaat but can be done outside salat too. Du'aa/prayer is a SUBSET of "salat"/connection/link/bond. It will benefit you to use the phonetic search and search for "salaat".

      Taking a look at christianity, and judaism, who I have the impression of, that 3 prayers pr day, is the standard.
      In that light, this verse means, morning (beginning of day) midday (end of day), evening (approaches of the night).

      And then you have the friday prayer.

      We have to accept only those parts that the Quran authenticates/confirms. We cannot interpret the Quran "in light of christianity and judaism", but it should be the other way around.

      Please read the following post which gives comprehensive proof of two timed salaat of the muslimeen from the Quran

      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14793.msg151204#msg151204

      I see it as universally understood, that what is to be prayed, is al-fatiha. (any comments?)

      NO SECTARIAN says what God DEFINITELY wants us to say in our salat. How much more can they reject God's words ?

      17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on, for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your connection/salaat, nor too quite; but seek a path in between.
      17111 AND SAY ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And glorify Him greatly.

      In general, ANY part of the Quran can be read in the salat, especially the parts about remembrance, praise, and glorification of God, including His beautiful attributes/names, and various Quranic "du'aa"/prayers. This automatically includes the first chapter. In addition to that, we should read a passage of the Quran in every salat with understanding, and then try to implement the lessons of that passage in our lives. That is what "sujud" signifies obedience of God, not just blind recitation like a parrot. Slowly, this will result in rejection of all the evil and vice

      2945 Recite what is inspired to you of the Scripture, and uphold the salat/connection, for the salat/connection prohibits evil and vice; but certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.

      Prayer is done..

      .. standing up, bowing, or while prostrated.

      How can one "fall down" bowing? One can fall down kneeling

      3824 He said ?He has wronged you by asking to combine your lamb with his lambs. And many who mix their properties take advantage of one another, except those who believe and do good works, and these are very few.? And David guessed that We had tested him, so he sought forgiveness from his Lord, and fell down kneeling (kharra raaki'an), and repented.

      How can one give "zakat" while "bowing"? One can give "zakat" humbly

      555 For your supporter is God and His messenger and those who believe; they uphold the salat/connection, and contribute towards betterment while being humble (wa hum raaki'oon).

      Worship Allah, and do good.

      "O'budoo" is "SERVE", not worship. We serve God by believing in Him and the Last Day, obeying His commands and doing good deeds and walking the straight path. That is the purpose of our existence.

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        No.

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          2945 Recite what is inspired to you of the Scripture, and uphold the salat/connection, for the salat/connection prohibits evil and vice; but certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.

          Again to point this out, this verse says recite the Scripture and keep the salat. My understanding is that we are being told to do two things. 1. recite Scripture 2. keep the salat

          But it doesnt say that reciting the Scripture is salat. Reciting the scripture is one thing, and salating is another. I hope im makin sence.

          Peace truth seeker.

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            Peace aw,

            Literal Say "Call God, or call the merciful, whichever you call, so for Him (are) the names the best/most beautiful (the good names), and do not publicize/declare/raise (voice) with your prayers, and do not silence/lower and hide with it, and wish/desire between that a way/method."

            My Translation

            17110 Say call upon God, or call upon the Merciful; whatever you call upon, then the best names are for Him. And do not show-off with your prayers. And do not overawe and hide with it. And form an intention between that.

            ( Here are the words I used with linked meanings

            wish/desire = intention, seek, ect....

            way/method = form, style, ect...)

            So from my understanding " seek" is to " intend."

            To seek as used in that verse is not just to intend but to actually do what we are being told to do. What we are being told is to use a moderate tone in salat. So "seek a path in between" means "to use a moderate tone" and not "to intend".

            Do you think that it would be clearer to say to one " keep the connection" or " keep the prayers."

            God does not say "aqeemo du'aa"/uphold the prayer, but "aqeemo salaat"/uphold the connection/link/bond. God does not use His words haphazardly. We cannot force our meanings upon what God is saying, when he clearly uses a different word for prayer which is DU'AA.

            Also what does this mean, can u bring the words for this

            Fasalli lirabbika ( what does salli mean? and why do translaters use it to mean prayer. I thought that this word was salat, untill I looked at the literal&gt

            It means "therefore, connect to your Lord".

            And how is using the word " prayer" to mean salat is misleading... I think to mix the other components with salat and to say one has to do all these things in order to be considered to have salated, without any proofs is misleading.

            It is misleading because God uses a different word for "prayer" in the Quran, which is "DU'AA". Various components of salat

            1778 You shall hold the salat at the setting of the sun until the darkness of the night; and the Qur?an at dawn; the Qur?an at dawn is witnessed.

            17107 Say ?Believe in it or do not believe in it. Those who have been given the knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, they fall to their chins prostrating.?

            17110 Say ?Call (od'oo) on God or call (od'oo) on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on (tad'oo), for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your connection, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.

            17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And glorify Him greatly.

            2945 Recite what is inspired to you of the Scripture, and uphold the salat/connection, for the salat/connection prohibits evil and vice; but certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.

            I see were u comin from, and for one to know, i know what u are talkin about... Beacuse we are commanded to do all these things within the same time frame...

            Exactly handshake

            That is why "salat" cannot be just translated as "prayer". According to the Quran, "prayer" = "DU'AA".

            And if salat = all these things that u say is a component...then you said "prayer" is a part of this connection too, so show me were we are to pray in the " connection ". I see were we are to read, ect... with the salat...but I dont see anywere were prayer is a part of salat looking at it from ur view.

            17110 Say ?Call (od'oo) on God or call (od'oo) on the Almighty. Whichever it is you call on (tad'oo), for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your salat/connection, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.

            17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And glorify Him greatly.

            "OD'OO" and "TAD'OO" is "pray/call". As you can see from 17110, it is clearly PART of salat, and not salat itself.

            Salaat cannot be just "prayer" because it includes recitation/reading of the Quran with comprehension, and praise, glorification, and remembrance of God, in addition to "du'aa"/prayer, as per the Quranic evidences I have presented above.

            May The God guide us to the truth.

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              Peace aw,

              Again to point this out, this verse says recite the Scripture and keep the salat. My understanding is that we are being told to do two things. 1. recite Scripture 2. keep the salat

              But it doesnt say that reciting the Scripture is salat. Reciting the scripture is one thing, and salating is another. I hope im makin sence.

              Peace truth seeker.

              1778 You shall uphold the connection at the setting of the sun until the darkness of the night; and the Qur?an at dawn; the Qur?an at dawn is witnessed.

              Combining this with 11114 it is clear that Quran is part of salat.

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                Peace aw,

                1778 You shall uphold the connection at the setting of the sun until the darkness of the night; and the Qur?an at dawn; the Qur?an at dawn is witnessed.

                Combining this with 11114 it is clear that Quran is part of salat.

                1778 Keep the prayers on the verge of sunset untill the nights blakness; and the dawn Quran. The dawn quran has been made official.

                God does not say "aqeemo du'aa"/uphold the prayer, but "aqeemo salaat"/uphold the connection/link/bond. God does not use His words haphazardly. We cannot force our meanings upon what God is saying, when he clearly uses a different word for prayer which is DU'AA.

                It means "therefore, connect to your Lord".

                It is misleading because God uses a different word for "prayer" in the Quran, which is "DU'AA". Various components of salat

                That is why "salat" cannot be just translated as "prayer". According to the Quran, "prayer" = "DU'AA".

                "OD'OO" and "TAD'OO" is "pray/call". As you can see from 17110, it is clearly PART of salat, and not salat itself.

                Salaat cannot be just "prayer" because it includes recitation/reading of the Quran with comprehension, and praise, glorification, and remembrance of God, in addition to "du'aa"/prayer, as per the Quranic evidences I have presented above.

                May The God guide us to the truth.

                so if salli means connect to your Lord 108, then dont salli mean salat.

                I understand that salat is a connection too, i believe in all of it. I believe salat = connect, prayer, suplicate, implore, ect... an thanks for pointing out that prayer specifically means dua. But is there a specific word that means " connection" or is salat the only word that is used to mean connection?

                Example the quran says recite quran and keep the connection... So I know what and how to recite quran, but what is the connection and how does one connect according to these verses...Do u see the difference. 1. we are told to recite the quran 2. we are being told to also uphold the connection.

                So if the connection is the recitation of quran, then why not say " you connect by reciting the quran, kneeling, praying, ect ( this is how to connect)..." instead of saying 1. recite quran 2. uphold the connection...

                From my understanding is that the recitation of quran and the salat/connection are not the same.

                peace

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                  I understand that salat is a connection too, i believe in all of it. I believe salat = connect, prayer, suplicate, implore, ect... an thanks for pointing out that prayer specifically means dua. But is there a specific word that means " connection" or is salat the only word that is used to mean connection?

                  Example the quran says recite quran and keep the connection... So I know what and how to recite quran, but what is the connection and how does one connect according to these verses...Do u see the difference. 1. we are told to recite the quran 2. we are being told to also uphold the connection.

                  So if the connection is the recitation of quran, then why not say " you connect by reciting the quran, kneeling, praying, ect ( this is how to connect)..." instead of saying 1. recite quran 2. uphold the connection...

                  From my understanding is that the recitation of quran and the salat/connection are not the same.

                  peace

                  Salat includes recitation of the Quran when we combine 1778 with 11114.

                  2945 implies to

                  1. Recite the Quran (both inside and outside salat).
                  2. Uphold the recitation of Quran, praise, remembrance and glorification of God and praying to God at timed intervals also in an organized manner. That is how we can connect to The God (establish/uphold salat).
                  3. Remember The God (both inside and outside salat).
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                    Salat includes recitation of the Quran when we combine 1778 with 11114.

                    2945 implies to

                    1. Recite the Quran (both inside and outside salat).
                    2. Uphold the recitation of Quran, praise, remembrance and glorification of God and praying to God at timed intervals also in an organized manner. That is how we can connect to The God (establish/uphold salat).
                    3. Remember The God (both inside and outside salat).

                    1778 Keep the prayers on the verge of sunset untill the nights blakness; and the dawn Quran. The dawn quran has been made official.

                    ( what does this say alone. Without combining it with 11114 ? And also it says the "dawn Quran", so if salat includes the recitation of some verses which makes salat valid, then do we recite verses in the evening salat too?)

                    Here is my understanding of the reading, sorry, i dont mean to post a long post but I would like to know what you think about it.

                    The Absolute proof constituents of the reading are

                    1. After making the intention for the reading to say

                    1780 ?My Lord, admit me an entrance of truth and let me exit an exit of truth, and grant me from Yourself a support to victory.?

                    1781 ?The truth has come and falsehood has perished. Falsehood is always bound to perish!?

                    Proofs
                    (1777 This is the way of those whom We sent before you of Our messengers. And you will not find any change in Our way.
                    1778 Keep the evening prayers at sunset until it has become completely dark, and the prayer and reading at dawn; for the dawn prayer and reading is established.
                    So wake up from the night and pray and read, a duty for you as was for those before you, God willing your Lord grant you a blessed position.
                    1780 And say ?My Lord, admit me an entrance of truth and let me exit an exit of truth, and grant me from Yourself a support to victory.?
                    1781 And say ?The truth has come and falsehood has perished. Falsehood is always bound to perish!?
                    1782 And We send down from the Qur?an what is a healing and mercy to the believers. And it only increases the wicked in their loss.)

                    1. And to say

                    2397 "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from the whispers of the sneaking devils. And I seek refuge in You my Lord. Lest they should come near."

                    Proofs
                    (1698 When you read the Qur?an, you shall seek refuge with God from Satan the outcast.)
                    (2396 Push away evil with that which is better. We are better aware of what they describe.
                    2397 And say ?My Lord, I seek refuge with you from the whispers of the devils.?
                    2398 ?And I seek refuge with you O Lord that they should come near.?

                    1. To read

                    Proofs
                    (1778 Keep the evening prayers at sunset until it has become completely dark, and the prayer and reading at dawn; for the dawn prayer and reading is established.

                    So wake up from the night and pray and read, a duty for you as was for those before you, God willing your Lord grant you a blessed position.)

                    73 O you covered with your garments. Stand the night except a little. Half of it or a little less. Or a little more, and read the Quran. We will send you a heavy message. The first half of the night is better and perfect for receiving a message. You may ten to your work and rest during the day.)

                    The reading of the Scriptures two times daily is obligatory upon all Submitters (Muslims- male and female).And must be observed two times daily. The two daily readings are

                    1. The Dawn reading 2. The evening reading.

                    The same place you pray/ connect is were you do your reading. ( e.g. the reading is done alongside the prayers.)

                    I think salat = connection and prayer also.....I believe that the prayer is the connection we should keep.

                    The "connection" consist of the following parts

                    1. The teachings/sermone 20132
                    2. The prayers/ salat
                    3. The reading of Quran
                    4. The purification

                    So if salat dont mean "the prayers," then the connection would only consist of the following three parts

                    1. The sermone
                    2. The reading of Quran
                    3. The purification

                    ......I do not find were it says in quran that " dua" is a part of the " connection." Therefore if we look at it from ur view then we are only requred to do the three above and not to pray to God.

                    Hope im not causen confusion, just seeking truth.

                    peace

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                      Peace aw,

                      ......I do not find were it says in quran that " dua" is a part of the " connection." Therefore if we look at it from ur view then we are only requred to do the three above and not to pray to God.

                      I already gave you the verse where "du'aa"/prayer is part if "salat"/connection

                      17110 Say ?Pray (od'oo) to God or pray (od'oo) to the Almighty. However you pray (tad'oo), for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your connection, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.
                      17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And glorify Him greatly.

                      17110 makes it clear that "du'aa" to God is part of "salat"

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                        Peace aw,

                        I already gave you the verse where "du'aa"/prayer is part if "salat"/connection

                        17110 Say ?Pray (od'oo) to God or pray (od'oo) to the Almighty. However you pray (tad'oo), for to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in making your connection, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.
                        17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And glorify Him greatly.

                        17110 makes it clear that "du'aa" to God is part of "salat"

                        these should be the last questions.

                        what does odoo mean and duaa? I dont see the word duaa in 17110. Or are they the same?

                        I know that call can mean pray to/call upon/ call on/ shout at/ yell / invoke/ implore/ ect....

                        just as salat can mean connection/ prayers/ supllication/ ect...

                        So you told me why salat caint be translated as prayer, so why caint odoo be translated as prayer if that is the proper word instead of call?

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                          Peace be upon you,

                          Recite the BOOK (not scripture) and maintain the programming(salaat)

                          Al Kitaab is all around and within you, it is the LAWS upon which all is created. It is the Universe that God SPEAKS into existence.

                          We are to study the universe and when we discover LAW we are to program this law into our minds.

                          For example, we find that eating certain foods is bad for you, so we program this into our minds so that we stop eating it, or smoking it, or cheating om our spouse, or stealing, etc etc

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                            Peace aw,

                            I already gave you the verse where "du'aa"/prayer is part if "salat"/connection

                            17110 Say Pray (od'oo) to God or pray (od'oo) to the Almighty. However you pray (tad'oo), for to Him are the best names. And do not be too loud in making your connection, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.
                            17111 And say Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness. And glorify Him greatly.

                            17110 makes it clear that "du'aa" to God is part of "salat"

                            these should be the last questions.

                            what does odoo mean and duaa? I dont see the word duaa in 17110. Or are they the same?

                            I know that call can mean pray to/call upon/ call on/ shout at/ yell / invoke/ implore/ ect....

                            just as salat can mean connection/ prayers/ supllication/ ect...

                            So you told me why salat caint be translated as prayer, so why caint odoo be translated as prayer if that is the proper word instead of call?

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                              Peace aw,

                              what does odoo mean and duaa? I dont see the word duaa in 17110. Or are they the same?

                              They are the same. "Od'oo" is the verb meaning "pray" and "du'aa" is the noun meaning "prayer".

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                                Peace all,

                                I was just browsing to see other opinions on as-salat and I noticed this thread so I'd like to share what I've found about the word 'raka'. First of all, according to the sunni concept of prayer being a certain number of 'raka'aat' units and a certain number of 'sajdah' units, I noticed that the reading doesn't even use these forms of these words. One surah is named as-Sajdah but that form of the word is no where in the reading. Clearly shows the fabrication of their prayer.

                                ALL the verses that use the verb form of 'raka'a' use it in the command form 243, 343, 2277, 7748

                                These verses use it in the 'faa'il' form the person doing it 243, 343, 555, 9112, 3824

                                These verses use it also in the 'faa'il' form but for the plural 2125, 2226, 4829

                                I found it interesting that in my contemporary arabic-arabic dictionary it has the usual meanings of raka'a listed, the physical aspect. However, when I was looking up 'khashi'a', meaning humbly submissive/ fearing, I found raka'a listed, so my first clue.

                                The main verses that caused the biggest problems about 'raka'a' being physical for me is the one about Dawud 'falling' 'bowing' and verse 7748 And when it is said to them (the mujrimun, disbelieving criminals) 'irka'a' 'bow' they don't 'bow'. Now why on earth would we tell such people to just bow? Of course the usual additions to the verse is (in prayer) but that still makes no sense, you wouldn't tell them to do the sunni prayer before they even believe. However, asking them to be HUMBLE? Certainly and I find that 'humble' fits in all of these verses. How many times does the god describe the disbelievers as 'arrogant', that we should seek refuge from arrogance? Also, from the form of the word used you see that it's a continual state to be in not just sometimes. It makes perfect sense that when a little 'arrogance' hit Dawud and he judged without hearing both sides he automatically realized what went wrong and fell humble and repenting.

                                Let me know if this helps the initial question about 'raka'a'. I just noticed that no one posted all of the verses so I thought that I would do so.

                                Umm Tariq

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                                  Peace be upon you Umm Tariq,

                                  Excellent logic, this is how we must approach the teachings.

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                                    peace all,

                                    To study the classical arabic meanings, occurrences in The Quran and grammar information of words, I strongly recommend

                                    http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

                                    = Ra-Kaf-Ayn = bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head.

                                    raka'a vb. (1)
                                    impf. act. 7748
                                    impv. 243, 343, 2277, 7748
                                    pcple. act. (raki, pl. rakiun and rukka) 243, 2125, 343, 555, 9112, 2226, 3824, 4829

                                    LL, V3, p 313, 314

                                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                      Assalaam Alaikum

                                      The 'performance' of Salat is defined in the following ayahs...

                                      Lets start with 'Raka'...

                                      Who seeth you standing forth (in Prayer),

                                      Allathee yaraka heena taqoomu ('Ya' is silenced in the recitation)

                                      And thy movements among those who prostrate themselves,

                                      Wa taqallubaka fee alssajideena


                                      Salat.....

                                      O you folded in garments / almuzzammilu!

                                      Ya ayyuha al-muzzammilu

                                      Muzzammil (Active Participle, masculine, singular, Verb Form = VIII reflexive, declarant) carry knowledge or responsibility, recite ayats, one who is behind another (in knowledge and guidance), Man wrapped in garments, one who unites
                                      Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 235 (zamala); Lanes Lexicon Part/Volume #3 page 1252-1253

                                      Stand (to Prayer) by night, but not all night,-

                                      Qumi allayla illa qaleelan

                                      Half of it,- or a little less,
                                      Or a little more; and recite the Qur'an in slow, measured rhythmic tones.

                                      Aw zid AAalayhi wa rattili alqurana tarteelan

                                      Rattili recite disinctfully and thoughtfully, slow and gracefully
                                      Tarteel denotes putting something together distinctly in a well arranged manner

                                      Soon shall We send down to you a weighty Message.

                                      Inna sanulqee AAalayka qawlan thaqeelan

                                      qawlan (tanwin-fatha, plural, feminine) meaning to speak, to say, tell, utter a voice, to state, propound, assert, transmit, answer, think, events without being an actual speech or dialogue
                                      Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 932-933 (qala)

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                                        Salam Muslimtruthrevealed,

                                        Assalaam Alaikum

                                        The 'performance' of Salat is defined in the following ayahs...

                                        Lets start with 'Raka'...

                                        Who seeth you standing forth (in Prayer),

                                        Allathee yaraka heena taqoomu ('Ya' is silenced in the recitation)

                                        And thy movements among those who prostrate themselves,

                                        Wa taqallubaka fee alssajideena


                                        Salat.....

                                        O you folded in garments / almuzzammilu!

                                        Ya ayyuha al-muzzammilu

                                        Muzzammil (Active Participle, masculine, singular, Verb Form = VIII reflexive, declarant) carry knowledge or responsibility, recite ayats, one who is behind another (in knowledge and guidance), Man wrapped in garments, one who unites
                                        Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 235 (zamala); Lanes Lexicon Part/Volume #3 page 1252-1253

                                        Stand (to Prayer) by night, but not all night,-

                                        Qumi allayla illa qaleelan

                                        Half of it,- or a little less,
                                        Or a little more; and recite the Qur'an in slow, measured rhythmic tones.

                                        Aw zid AAalayhi wa rattili alqurana tarteelan

                                        Rattili recite disinctfully and thoughtfully, slow and gracefully
                                        Tarteel denotes putting something together distinctly in a well arranged manner

                                        Soon shall We send down to you a weighty Message.

                                        Inna sanulqee AAalayka qawlan thaqeelan

                                        qawlan (tanwin-fatha, plural, feminine) meaning to speak, to say, tell, utter a voice, to state, propound, assert, transmit, answer, think, events without being an actual speech or dialogue
                                        Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 932-933 (qala)

                                        What do you think this word (if we can call it word)
                                        means?

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                                          Salam Muslimtruthrevealed,

                                          What do you think this word (if we can call it word)
                                          means?

                                          Assalaam Alaikum

                                          is an 'active participle' indicating effort or action associated with the use of the word.

                                          More importantly its NOT what the word 'means' it's what the word 'represents', that is important.

                                          Now we all know what 'means', would you be so kind as to making clear your point please?

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