Is the Black stone god Shiva?
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I was told that Abraham built the stone cube.
I don't think so..
And there are no hard evidence of such...The Arabs (Desert People) built the stone cube..
As a sanctuary to house their idols...
From the "design" of the stone cube... it's clearly apparent that "the cubical structure" was not designed as sanctuary for human beings...Salam / Peace
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YUSUFALI Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
PICKTHAL And when We made the House (at Makka) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying) Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We imposed a duty upon Abraham and Ishmael, (saying) Purify My house for those who go around and those who meditate therein and those who bow down and prostrate themselves (in worship).
SHAKIR And when We made the House a pilgrimage for men and a (place of) security, and Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim. And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying Purify My House for those who visit (it) and those who abide (in it) for devotion and those who bow down (and) those who prostrate themselves.002.126
YUSUFALI And remember Abraham said "My Lord, make this a City of Peace, and feed its people with fruits,-such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day." He said "(Yea), and such as reject Faith,-for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but will soon drive them to the torment of Fire,- an evil destination (indeed)!"
PICKTHAL And when Abraham prayed My Lord! Make this a region of security and bestow upon its people fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day, He answered As for him who disbelieveth, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the doom of Fire - a hapless journey's end!
SHAKIR And when Ibrahim said My Lord, make it a secure town and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the last day. He said And whoever disbelieves, I will grant him enjoyment for a short while, then I will drive him to the chastisement of the fire; and it is an evil destination.002.127
YUSUFALI And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer) "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.
PICKTHAL And when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the House, (Abraham prayed) Our Lord! Accept from us (this duty). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower.
SHAKIR And when Ibrahim and Ismail raised the foundations of the House Our Lord! accept from us; surely Thou art the Hearing, the Knowing -
Peace PVB,
002.125
YUSUFALI Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).
PICKTHAL And when We made the House (at Makka) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying) Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We imposed a duty upon Abraham and Ishmael, (saying) Purify My house for those who go around and those who meditate therein and those who bow down and prostrate themselves (in worship).
SHAKIR And when We made the House a pilgrimage for men and a (place of) security, and Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim. And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying Purify My House for those who visit (it) and those who abide (in it) for devotion and those who bow down (and) those who prostrate themselves.002.126
YUSUFALI And remember Abraham said "My Lord, make this a City of Peace, and feed its people with fruits,-such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day." He said "(Yea), and such as reject Faith,-for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but will soon drive them to the torment of Fire,- an evil destination (indeed)!"
PICKTHAL And when Abraham prayed My Lord! Make this a region of security and bestow upon its people fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day, He answered As for him who disbelieveth, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the doom of Fire - a hapless journey's end!
SHAKIR And when Ibrahim said My Lord, make it a secure town and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the last day. He said And whoever disbelieves, I will grant him enjoyment for a short while, then I will drive him to the chastisement of the fire; and it is an evil destination.How many people can you assemble inside a stone cube? How is it safe inside a stone cube or even outside? People get crushed to death all the time while fighting to kiss or touch the cube or the Black Stone. Also, try to proclaim anything that we are saying here in Mecca and if you are lucky you will be arrested and tortured before you get stoned to death by an angry mob. How is this safety?
How many people can place their feet in the footprint that sectarians call Maqam Ibrahim?
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YUSUFALI And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer) "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.
PICKTHAL And when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the House, (Abraham prayed) Our Lord! Accept from us (this duty). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower.
SHAKIR And when Ibrahim and Ismail raised the foundations of the House Our Lord! accept from us; surely Thou art the Hearing, the KnowingThey raised the foundations FROM the house. Please read the original Arabic.
Peace,
Ayman
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LOL!! That is muslim with a small m, but I was told it does not mean peace but submitter. As Islam means submission.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
Islam (Arabic ; al-'islm (help?info); pronounced ) is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion originating with the teachings of the Prophet of Islam Muhammad, a 7th century Arab religious and political figure. The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God (Arabic , Allh). An adherent of Islam is known as a Muslim, meaning "one who submits "
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Peace PVB,
LOL!! That is muslim with a small m, but I was told it does not mean peace but submitter. As Islam means submission.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
Islam (Arabic ; al-'islm (help?info); pronounced ) is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion originating with the teachings of the Prophet of Islam Muhammad, a 7th century Arab religious and political figure. The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God (Arabic , Allh). An adherent of Islam is known as a Muslim, meaning "one who submits "So when you say "salamu alaikum", this means "submission be upon you"!
The forms SaLAM (Fa3AL), ISLAM (IF3AL), and MuSLiM (MuF3iL) are fairly common in the Arabic language and the relationship between those forms is crystal clear. You can find hundreds of examples of such forms in Arabic and figure out the relation between them and see that ""muslim" means peacemaker. Also, if the concept originated from the teachings of Abraham, then none of the people of the book ever heard of this "submission". In fact, the noun "submission" is never mentioned in the Bible. On the other hand, peace/peacemaker are mentioned no less than 450 times in the Bible.
Peace (not submission) be upon you,
Ayman
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Salaaman Arnold,
Allen, I approach these concepts a bit different. There is still much to be investigated, but i don't agree with the conevtional concepts of Hajj. Like where does it say anti-clockwise? Or even walk around it in circles? These are non-Quranic rituals. If i say, let's walk around the city, does this mean i'm circumbulating the city? No, this refers to move in the concepts around it. Also the House Abraham build refers to the System, the Deen he build. Kaaba means base/foundation if i'm not mistaken, and so translated the verse that says kaaba, would say
Yes, you are mistaken brother, I think.
Kaaba is singular and Kaabayin is Dual used in 56
Regards,
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Peace Mmkhan,
Yes, you are mistaken brother, I think.
Kaaba is singular and Kaabayin is Dual used in 56I don't get what you are trying to say. The dual makes something dual but doesn't change the fundamental meaning. In 56 the verse is talking about the heel, which is the base of the leg. So in both cases they fundamentally have the meaning of "base".
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Mmkhan,
I was refering to the shape of a Kaabayin. They are in square shape. Is kaaba does not mean square then? Just a thought.
In Arabic the feminine and the masculine have the same basic meaning. The feminine can sometimes add a sense of collective classification but within the same meaning. So essentially "ka3b" and "ka3bat" have the same meaning. The word never means "square". The word for "square" is "muraba3". The word "rub3" means quarter and it also means side. So "muraba3" is a shape with four sides. The word for "cube" is "muka3ab" this is again derived from the word "ka3b" meaning "base" because a "muka3ab" is a shape with many bases (bases all around on all its sides). The word "ka3b" (and ka3ba) never means cube.
Peace,
Ayman
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Salaaman Ayman,
Oh sorry, its my mistake ... I wanted to say "cube" not "square".
The word for "cube" is "muka3ab" this is again derived from the word "ka3b" meaning "base" because a "muka3ab" is a shape with many bases (bases all around on all its sides). The word "ka3b" (and ka3ba) never means cube.
But I dont understand you point here... You said "Muka'ab" mean "Cube" and it is derived from the work "Ka'aba". This part I understand.
Again you said "Ka'aba" means "Base"? How come? I don't see any relation between "Cube" and "Base" then how come they have derived from each other?
Please explain.
Regards,
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Peace Mmkhan,
Oh sorry, its my mistake ... I wanted to say "cube" not "square".
But I dont understand you point here... You said "Muka'ab" mean "Cube" and it is derived from the work "Ka'aba". This part I understand.
Again you said "Ka'aba" means "Base"? How come? I don't see any relation between "Cube" and "Base" then how come they have derived from each other?How many bases does a cube have?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace mmKhan,
Are we talking about 'a cube' and 'a base' OR 'a cube' and 'ITS base'? You see what I mean?
Which side of the cube is its base? The answer is any side. So a cube is a shape with bases all around. This is why it is called "muka3ab".
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace all,
After reading Br Aymans article posted in a link earlier in this thread and viewing the pics added, I must confess that the blackstone looks like a babyhead coming out from a vagina and the cube itself is a body of the female godess.
I cannot believe I have adhere to this nonsense of the so called traditional islam before.
But in fact I were never keen to go for hajj even while I was a sunni follower, I had my doubts even back then and of course the panic of all the crowds of people gathering at same place, not a peaceful place in my thoughts nope.
Maria