Is the Black stone god Shiva?
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Peace PVB,
LOL!! That is muslim with a small m, but I was told it does not mean peace but submitter. As Islam means submission.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
Islam (Arabic ; al-'islm (help?info); pronounced ) is a monotheistic Abrahamic religion originating with the teachings of the Prophet of Islam Muhammad, a 7th century Arab religious and political figure. The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God (Arabic , Allh). An adherent of Islam is known as a Muslim, meaning "one who submits "So when you say "salamu alaikum", this means "submission be upon you"!
The forms SaLAM (Fa3AL), ISLAM (IF3AL), and MuSLiM (MuF3iL) are fairly common in the Arabic language and the relationship between those forms is crystal clear. You can find hundreds of examples of such forms in Arabic and figure out the relation between them and see that ""muslim" means peacemaker. Also, if the concept originated from the teachings of Abraham, then none of the people of the book ever heard of this "submission". In fact, the noun "submission" is never mentioned in the Bible. On the other hand, peace/peacemaker are mentioned no less than 450 times in the Bible.
Peace (not submission) be upon you,
Ayman
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Salaaman Arnold,
Allen, I approach these concepts a bit different. There is still much to be investigated, but i don't agree with the conevtional concepts of Hajj. Like where does it say anti-clockwise? Or even walk around it in circles? These are non-Quranic rituals. If i say, let's walk around the city, does this mean i'm circumbulating the city? No, this refers to move in the concepts around it. Also the House Abraham build refers to the System, the Deen he build. Kaaba means base/foundation if i'm not mistaken, and so translated the verse that says kaaba, would say
Yes, you are mistaken brother, I think.
Kaaba is singular and Kaabayin is Dual used in 56
Regards,
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Peace Mmkhan,
Yes, you are mistaken brother, I think.
Kaaba is singular and Kaabayin is Dual used in 56I don't get what you are trying to say. The dual makes something dual but doesn't change the fundamental meaning. In 56 the verse is talking about the heel, which is the base of the leg. So in both cases they fundamentally have the meaning of "base".
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Mmkhan,
I was refering to the shape of a Kaabayin. They are in square shape. Is kaaba does not mean square then? Just a thought.
In Arabic the feminine and the masculine have the same basic meaning. The feminine can sometimes add a sense of collective classification but within the same meaning. So essentially "ka3b" and "ka3bat" have the same meaning. The word never means "square". The word for "square" is "muraba3". The word "rub3" means quarter and it also means side. So "muraba3" is a shape with four sides. The word for "cube" is "muka3ab" this is again derived from the word "ka3b" meaning "base" because a "muka3ab" is a shape with many bases (bases all around on all its sides). The word "ka3b" (and ka3ba) never means cube.
Peace,
Ayman
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Salaaman Ayman,
Oh sorry, its my mistake ... I wanted to say "cube" not "square".
The word for "cube" is "muka3ab" this is again derived from the word "ka3b" meaning "base" because a "muka3ab" is a shape with many bases (bases all around on all its sides). The word "ka3b" (and ka3ba) never means cube.
But I dont understand you point here... You said "Muka'ab" mean "Cube" and it is derived from the work "Ka'aba". This part I understand.
Again you said "Ka'aba" means "Base"? How come? I don't see any relation between "Cube" and "Base" then how come they have derived from each other?
Please explain.
Regards,
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Peace Mmkhan,
Oh sorry, its my mistake ... I wanted to say "cube" not "square".
But I dont understand you point here... You said "Muka'ab" mean "Cube" and it is derived from the work "Ka'aba". This part I understand.
Again you said "Ka'aba" means "Base"? How come? I don't see any relation between "Cube" and "Base" then how come they have derived from each other?How many bases does a cube have?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace mmKhan,
Are we talking about 'a cube' and 'a base' OR 'a cube' and 'ITS base'? You see what I mean?
Which side of the cube is its base? The answer is any side. So a cube is a shape with bases all around. This is why it is called "muka3ab".
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace all,
After reading Br Aymans article posted in a link earlier in this thread and viewing the pics added, I must confess that the blackstone looks like a babyhead coming out from a vagina and the cube itself is a body of the female godess.
I cannot believe I have adhere to this nonsense of the so called traditional islam before.
But in fact I were never keen to go for hajj even while I was a sunni follower, I had my doubts even back then and of course the panic of all the crowds of people gathering at same place, not a peaceful place in my thoughts nope.
Maria
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SwedenMajidah - Very sad those that have been trampled to death in the past.
Indeed, very sad for them (
Peace
Maria -
Peace all,
After reading Br Aymans article posted in a link earlier in this thread and viewing the pics added, I must confess that the blackstone looks like a babyhead coming out from a vagina and the cube itself is a body of the female godess.
I cannot believe I have adhere to this nonsense of the so called traditional islam before.
But in fact I were never keen to go for hajj even while I was a sunni follower, I had my doubts even back then and of course the panic of all the crowds of people gathering at same place, not a peaceful place in my thoughts nope.
Maria
Is there any other Kabaa like this? or another temple that fits the same description through history?
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Peace,
Really I don't know. But in hinduism temples and godesses are common.
Maria
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http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_the_Devil
Al-Hajarul Aswad
The "Black Stone", a remainder of the original Ka'ba.It is a stone from Paradise.
The ONLY reason to kiss the black-stone is that our beloved Prophet Muhammad kissed it. It has NO special powers it is NOT worshipped by Muslims.
"Istilaam" means to place both palms on the Black Stone and to kiss it three times gently without a smack.
Muslims do NOT worship the black stone.
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http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_the_Devil
Al-Hajarul Aswad
The "Black Stone", a remainder of the original Ka'ba.It is a stone from Paradise.
The ONLY reason to kiss the black-stone is that our beloved Prophet Muhammad kissed it. It has NO special powers it is NOT worshipped by Muslims.
"Istilaam" means to place both palms on the Black Stone and to kiss it three times gently without a smack.
Muslims do NOT worship the black stone.
Hehe of course they will not admit that they worship it then their so called fake religion will be revealed yes
But all sane people who aren't brainwashed they clearly must see this ritual as idolworshipping, because where is Allah in all this !?
Maria
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Peace,
but if you look at it from there perspective. it actually isnt worship.
I mean when God told the angels to postrate to Adam were they worshiping Adam? nooo..
they were obeying God's command.
So I can see that the same way. the only reason why they do this is because they belive there obeying a command of God.Peace
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Peace,
but if you look at it from there perspective. it actually isnt worship.
I mean when God told the angels to postrate to Adam were they worshiping Adam? nooo..
they were obeying God's command.
So I can see that the same way. the only reason why they do this is because they belive there obeying a command of God.Peace
sorry brothers they never said they are obeying the command of God But they claim one hadith related to ummar that he saw Mohammed doing it.
Just read this artical if you dont beieve me.
http//forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=30880hail