Oral Debate between Ayman and Edip...

Bahman

Bahman, it doesn't take a PhD to know that there is no "interlock" to anything in the chapter. Getting a 19 divisible is ONLY a result of your haphazard method above. You are mixing and matching methods of counting three different parameters to get the result. Hence, If you change the method to a more coherent one, you would not get a 19 divisible. For example, you are shifting from (1) a sequencing of chapter and verse to (2) a tally of the number of letters and then suddenly shifting again to (3) a GV of each letter.

If you ...................

Peace Ayman
I asked you just produce one like those even defected, broken, cheap, no value . no interlock ?.. do not worry just produce one like that.

You wrote 17 times? if ? I do that or this and so on and expecting all conditions according to your learnt formula, equation, rules, laws ??????????
If we knew formula then it was not Miracle.

635
If their rejection gets to be too much for you, you should know that even if you dug a tunnel through the earth, or climbed a ladder into the sky, and produced a miracle for them (they still would not believe). Had GOD willed, He could have guided them, unanimously. Therefore, do not behave like the ignorant ones

http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat6_files/6_35.gif

61502015020220070301020170200180054080150160400970400150400240010001050801001801013012008001660304011801013060401180400140010540211056306300111303053034070540703010130541803014002065050405013035301050

multiple of 7

then I checked this site http//www.openburhan.com/

found extra alief

615020150202200703010201702001800540801501604009704001504002400100010508010018010130120080016603040118010130604011804001400105402110563063001113030530340705407030101305418030140020650504050130315301050
multiple of 7
then I added chapter and verse number
635615020150202200703010201702001800540801501604009704001504002400100010508010018010130120080016603040118010130604011804001400105402110563063001113030530340705407030101305418030140020650504050130315301050
multiple of 7
I consider this support for my attempt and search for code 7 in GR.
http//y19.net/q7.html
Peace.

Samia

found extra alief

Salaam Bahman
I hope your extra alif is the first, and only, alif in this word, because it's written and not .

farida

Edip and you claim that the initials don't have real meaning and they are just added to complete the code. So if according to you, the god can add meaningless gibberish to complete the code then why can't I do the same and make a more impressive code than yours?

Peace,

Ayman

Salaam

I see; Ayman is looking for any excuse to compete with God, and establish a religion based on his gibberish, where he does not need God's permisson or even God, or any authority, except his own arrogant desire to prove himself right.
I had the experience of debating with him on the subject of Hot/Ramadan and I was able to see clearly that he constantly ignored verses from the Quran and kept asking irrelevant questions, taking the discussion back and forth until people got fed up and left the thread, knowing that many people do not have the desire or patience to read the full discussion and often see the bottom line. His cronies finish off by backing him blindly, giving the impression that they won the argument. Sadly most valid proofs are buried in his desire to distort the system.

I hope that I have clarified to you and everyone the perspective of a PHD holder (or anyone who doesn?t forgo their god-given common sense when they are attracted to this ?fitna?/temptation, which I admit can be very tempting).

Peace,
Ayman

No Sir, you have let down your PHD by holding on to your twisted views, void of any sense, hoping others will mistake it for common sense.
To me one example of your fitna is when you insist on fasting based on your calculation in summer and creating the temptation for people to fast for only ten days, or even skip fasitng altogether if they failed to witness your 'scorching moon'.

'Vade retro Satanas'.

ayman

Peace Farida,

Normally I would ignore your antics but the last line of your outburst was too funny.

'Vade retro Satanas'

http//i33.tinypic.com/ilzs7s.jpg

D 6 6 6 VS 1 0 9 angel

Bahman, you are the resident Free-Minds expert on finding hidden codes in the post and reply numbers. What do you think? )

Farida, take a deep breath and try to calm down.

Peace,

Ayman

Bahman

Salaam Bahman
I hope your extra alif is the first, and only, alif in this word, because it's written and not .

Peace
You missed this part )
"then I checked this site
http//www.openburhan.com/
found extra alief"

in this one a short Alief after Jeem given A to it . I wonder if it makes any different in meaning showing Alie or not.

http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat6_files/6_35.gif
Than you for your advise.
peace

Bahman

Peace Farida,

Normally I would ignore your antics but the last line of your outburst was too funny.
http//i33.tinypic.com/ilzs7s.jpg

D 6 6 6 VS 1 0 9 angel

Bahman, you are the resident Free-Minds expert on finding hidden codes in the post and reply numbers. What do you think? )

Peace. Ayman
You should know by now that 666
is not Satan .
Spreading wrong information knowingly is work of Satan which controls money and corruption and hope you are not one of them. )
Frida is telling the truth about your misleading the readers by redirecting topics and responding with many zig zag running like Zebra running from Lion.

You do not have to be expert or holding PHD putting numbers next to each other and find if is divisible by 19.
But designing it is another thing that I have asked for a decay and no body could do it other way iwas not here ).
But your 3 specific posts in the in different topic ( needs time to find those. I should make a collection) mocking God?s Miracle number date and time have been divisible of 19 could not be coincident .
Farida In 666th post explaining same experience I and others have had with you and then you mock 666 and 19 .
and
Is this coincidence
Hr Min Sec Day Month Year
19125003102008=
19x01006579110632=
19x0052977847928
7431 )
Peace
PS I see 3 19 = 57 Q as you accepted existence of 19 in that chapter and another 2 which are n same group. I can not remeber do you ?

nimnimak_11

Salaam nimnimak_11
(what does the 11 in your name stand for BTW? I often look at my watch and there's an eleven minutes or hour. As I started this post, it was 1100).

Back to my post. The bismillah you call (a compensation to complete the count of 114) is actually completely different from the other 113 bismillahs. The 113 ones introduce God's speech, and the "compensator" introduces a human speech. So you cannot equate them and add oranges to apples.

;D bravo

Peace Sister

Seeing as you started this thread at 1100 and the number in my ID is 11 o o that must mean hmm ! ! That I must contribute plenty in this thread yay

Jokes aside, that number is just a random pick with no significance other then the fact that i use it as my ID in a couple of sites the first of which did not exept nimnimak so i had to tag it with _11 for it to be expetable.

Back to the topic,

I completely agree that the 2nd bismallah is different to all the the others used as is clear in the quran. But also clear is that chap 9 is missing a bismallah which is the oddest thing IMO in the Quran. What i equate in this case, is the frequency of the phrase bismallah and not it's context Sister.

We could say that in chap 27 the second bismallah is a coincidence but i don't think we can say that the missing bismallah in chap 9 is a coincidence.

ayman

Peace Nimnimak,

But also clear is that chap 9 is missing a bismallah which is the oddest thing IMO in the Quran.

How do you know it is missing a "bismallah"? Do you think that the decorations on the top of the page where chapters start were inspired by the god? Do you think that the names on top of the chapters were inspired by the god?

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace Bahman,

I asked you just produce one like those even defected, broken, cheap, no value . no interlock ?.. do not worry just produce one like that.

Bahman, why did you choose this particular method and not any of the methods that I presented or the many more possible methods? Please be honest. You tried other methods and only this one gave you a 19 divisible, didn't you?

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace Bahman,

You missed this part )
"then I checked this site
http//www.openburhan.com/
found extra alief"

in this one a short Alief after Jeem given A to it . I wonder if it makes any different in meaning showing Alie or not.

Openbrhan is wrong and it misspells many words in the great reading. There is no Alif. In fact, you have to be careful with Openburhan because it is notorious for adding Alifs when they don?t exist in the actual text. This is due to a property called Matres Lectionis, which by itself demolishes Code 19. So your Code 7 based on 635 is in fact completely wrong and this shows that your ?interlock? or whatever means nothing.

Peace,

Ayman

nimnimak_11

Peace Nimnimak,

How do you know it is missing a "bismallah"? Do you think that the decorations on the top of the page where chapters start were inspired by the god? Do you think that the names on top of the chapters were inspired by the god?

Peace,

Ayman

Peace Brother Ayman

By decorations do you mean the bismallahs? If yes then i do believe that it was God's will that they are there. This is my conclusion based on the fact that every Quran i have seen or read to the best of my memory have always had it's chapters begin with bismallah including (I think) the very old versions such as the Tashkent.

I don't know about the titles because i never thought about the titles to be honest and dont know wether they are in older versions of the scriptures such as Tashkent.

As is clear, i am mostly assuming as i did not consider this to be a serious issue to investigate to be honest. In this style of thought could we not also say that we need to investigate every word of the Quran?

The question for me is HOW?? and how do we judge?

ayman

Peace Nimnimak,

By decorations do you mean the bismallahs? If yes then i do believe that it was God's will that they are there. This is my conclusion based on the fact that every Quran i have seen or read to the best of my memory have always had it's chapters begin with bismallah including (I think) the very old versions such as the Tashkent.
I don't know about the titles because i never thought about the titles to be honest and dont know wether they are in older versions of the scriptures such as Tashkent.
As is clear, i am mostly assuming as i did not consider this to be a serious issue to investigate to be honest. In this style of thought could we not also say that we need to investigate every word of the Quran?

No the Bismallahs are not decorations. They are words that are read as part of the great reading. Decorations are just Arabesque style geometric patterns at the beginning of each chapter. So now that I clarified let me repeat my questions

Do you believe that those geometric patterns were inspired by the god?
Do you believe that the Chapter titles were inspired by the god?

Peace,

Ayman

Bahman

Peace Bahman,

Openbrhan is wrong and it misspells many words in the great reading. There is no Alif. In fact, you have to be careful with Openburhan because it is notorious for adding Alifs when they don?t exist in the actual text. This is due to a property called Matres Lectionis, which by itself demolishes Code 19. So your Code 7 based on 635 is in fact completely wrong and this shows that your ?interlock? or whatever means nothing.

Peace,

Ayman

I see you missed this
Without Alief

61502015020220070301020170200180054080150160400970400150400240010001050801001801013012008001660304011801013060401180400140010540211056306300111303053034070540703010130541803014002065050405013035301050

multiple of 7

then I checked this site http//www.openburhan.com/

found extra alief

With Alief615020150202200703010201702001800540801501604009704001504002400100010508010018010130120080016603040118010130604011804001400105402110563063001113030530340705407030101305418030140020650504050130315301050
multiple of 7

then I added chapter and verse number
635615020150202200703010201702001800540801501604009704001504002400100010508010018010130120080016603040118010130604011804001400105402110563063001113030530340705407030101305418030140020650504050130315301050
multiple of 7
I consider this support for my attempt and search for code 7 in GR.
http//y19.net/q7.html
Peace.

nimnimak_11

Brother Ayman

At this stage i purely assume so yes with respect to the titles.
Still not sure what you mean by decorations. If you mean the initials then yes i also assume them to be part of the Quran.

As far as i think i know, the bismillahs and the initials were always there. The titles im not sure.

Do you have reason for me to think otherwise? ??? ???

I have to go it's 518 in the UK and i think i should sleep D

But i'll hopefully come back some time tomorow

For now,

Peace and God bless always

Bahman

Peace Bahman,

Bahman, why did you choose this particular method and not any of the methods that I presented or the many more possible methods? Please be honest. You tried other methods and only this one gave you a 19 divisible, didn't you?

Peace,

Ayman

Peace )
http//www.comm.utoronto.ca/~frank/hexagon/hex.gif )

That is not my finding part of that is here and rest was published in a site i can not remebr but no matter how many trail they did we have an interlocked texula numerical protecting whole chapter.

Like that Magic hexoagon is resul of 40 yeras trail but is there and nothing can be done to destroy it. samething with chapter "The Key" )
peace

ayman

Peace Bahman,

That is not my finding

Then I suggest that you hold your judgment until you find out who discovered this Code and ask them the same question that I asked you. If they answer that they got this on the first trial then I would recommend that you don't trust them because you and I know that they would be lying.

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace Nimnimak,

At this stage i purely assume so yes with respect to the titles.

Why do you assume that the titles were inspired by the god?

Still not sure what you mean by decorations. If you mean the initials then yes i also assume them to be part of the Quran.

No I am not talking about initials or words. I am talking about geometric decorations. Are you saying that you never saw the decorations in a typical printed copy of the quran? Here is scanned page where I higlighted the title of the chapter and the decorations found at the beginning of each chapter with red circles

http//i38.tinypic.com/detxsz.jpg

So again, are the parts highlighted with red circles (the decorations and the chapter title) inspired by the god?

Peace,

Ayman

Bahman

Peace Bahman,

Then I suggest that you hold your judgment until you find out who discovered this Code and ask them the same question that I asked you. If they answer that they got this on the first trial then I would recommend that you don't trust them because you and I know that they would be lying.

Peace,

Ayman

Peace
No matter how many fails has been there . I do not care if this was found the firt trail or the millionth one. It is succeed and only succeed show such interlocking system in whole chapter no body can touch it.
I posted magic hexagon and it is self explained. 40 years of trail say 10 per dayx365x40 but resulted such interlock . Now should I deny it because took 40 years and so many trail.
That totally wrong to deny Fact because discovered by many trail. Any succeed needs trail. If we knew secret of such design and its formula then we did not have to make trail and easily solve . But it is Miracle and if solve then is not. Now you see deeply how those letter are Interlocked to their value guarded by verse number and number of letters by code 19?
Are you seeing that now. More powerful than 57Q . There is chance for manipulation but here is totally locked and sealed.
GW what has happened during 1400 years we have received copy of original and embedded such secret code for this era you as a well educated person which using 7th verse in one of your article as introduction to examine , check it out and by using your cad complaining why not your way?

What bothers you if I am going in same direction you but with proof. Do you have any other kind of proof for this era small gods human. You want all your life to discuss and persuade people one by one to explain your deep understanding of messages and pudding that they can not taste due to language or Just claim that book is authored by God before open it just by 16 cases only numbers and then discuss inside.
God forgives everything unless to idolization. Code is just a tool for proof of book and existence of creator by its sign. Prior to convert believer I was thinking that those stories of Miracles happened in the past belongs to Christian as I had seen some movies.
I was laughing and saying I was not there to see , then later I found almost those miracles are authored in GR too.
Now I could deny it when I see the book is proofed, As a believer that think GR is for this era to the end.
God wants to remind us and show us the Miracle are revealed according to knowledge and understanding of human , when one is old then new one is revealed.
Moses and Magic
Jesus and Medication
Mohammed and Book
Rashad and computer
Next may we find her or him in future science recorded in GR .
Where in book I do not know but should be there.
Still nobody has come with my question?
Tired and need sleep Good night
Peace.

ayman

Peace Bahman,

No matter how many fails has been there . I do not care if this was found the firt trail or the millionth one.

But you should care. First of all if he tells you that he found it on the first trial when he obviously used an arbitrary method then you and I know that he would be a liar. Why would you trust a liar?

If he found it after the expected number of trials of finding 19 divisibles in a random sample (19 trials) then this so-called code is in fact a natural random occurence.

If he found it after a million trials as you say then there is absolutely no Code 19 in the great reading.

You have to start without preconceptions. The question is IS THERE A CODE OR NOT. The question is not HOW CAN I FIND A CODE.

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace Bahman,

What bothers you if I am going in same direction you but with proof. Do you have any other kind of proof for this era small gods human.

Yes I do. I have real proof.

We should all go in the direction of the truth not in the direction of delusional numerology of hiding failures and sharing successes.

Peace and good night my friend,

Ayman