why do we have to believe?

anthonywallace

To be clear,you are saying God created a faulty brain?

If a person was born wit a abnormal/fauly brain, then yes, i am saying God created a faulty brain. Who else did? Straight question.

alan

If a person was born wit a abnormal/fauly brain, then yes, i am saying God created a faulty brain. Who else did? Straight question.

In answer to your straight Q,nobody did,it is a fault in the evolutionary developement of the biological structure.

L_Hu

Anthonywallace all you offer are statments that do not really defne the concept. They make it more confusing.

anthonywallace

In answer to your straight Q,nobody did,it is a fault in the evolutionary developement of the biological structure.

Is God not aware of what is in the wombs?

Anthonywallace all you offer are statments that do not really defne the concept. They make it more confusing.

And how do you know that when I do define the concept that it still wont be confusing to some? There is no argument here. Why? Because what kind of question is "why do we have to believe?" Il tell you, because whoever dont believe then they deserve the retribution...How can one not believe is the question.

These kind of questions is what makes things more confusing. And I have given you your answers to what is God, be, and to believe... But like I say, how do u know that when it is defined that the people still not go be confused...

Now if you have some proofs then bring it forth... I dont know if you all are trying to learn something or if youall just tryin to cause confusion or tryin to make things crooked or teach somethin or what...

And note that either the words of God go guide you or they are going to increase in your confusion or doubts...ect./....

L_Hu

Is God so cruel to let me be left unguided. Also fear of retribution is based on the assumption that the Quran is right. What proof do you have for the Quran being from God. And also what is God that he/she would send a book.

anthonywallace

Is God so cruel to let me be left unguided. Also fear of retribution is based on the assumption that the Quran is right. What proof do you have for the Quran being from God. And also what is God that he/she would send a book.

Bring a chapter like it, if you truthful. And if you caint then fear the Fire, whose fuel is people and stone. Prepared for the rejecters.

And the parties disputed in the " matter." Therefore, woe to those who have rejected from the scene of a terrible day.

Yes He would leave you unguided if He wishes. And if He finds anygood in you then He might guide you. And He only guides to Him whoever is repenting. And whoever is misguided, then the Almighty will lead them on.

And He is not questioned about what He does, but you will be questioned.

anthonywallace

223 And from mankind is he who argues regarding God without knowledge, and he follows every rebellious devil.
228 And from the people are those who argue regarding God with no knowledge nor guidance nor enlightening Scripture.

Is God so cruel to let me be left unguided. Also fear of retribution is based on the assumption that the Quran is right. What proof do you have for the Quran being from God. And also what is God that he/she would send a book.

And I asked you for proof first, but n e ways. My proof is that you caint bring a chapter like it P

If all the humans and the jinn were to gather to bring a Quran like this, they could not come with its like even if they were helping one another.

This Quran could not have been produced without God, but it is a guidance and mercy fro those who have submitted. And it only increases the wicked in there avertion.

Do you see if this was from God, and then you rejected it? Who is further astray than those who are in opposition.

And We have clarified to the people in this Quran from every example, but most refuse to be anything but a rejecter! And mankind was always argumentative and set against his Lord.

I knew it was something to all of this. You are a rejecter. You and alen. Only a rejecter would ask such questions and dispute regarding God. The Noble, the Wise.

L_Hu

My freind I believe in the Quran. But when I meet people like you I start doubting the Quran.

anthonywallace

My freind I believe in the Quran. But when I meet people like you I start doubting the Quran.

If you believe in it then why do you doubt it? There is no doubt with the believers. And how do people like me cause you to doubt the quran?

farida

Sorry to everyone who thinks Iam "p d" off with beleivers in God,iam not,iam trying to counter the arguements but you answer one and the ground shifts again,no direct reply.
God said "be" what is it he said "be",for there are obvious appaling creations,ie in the way certain creations cause so much suffering.Like the example of the schizophrenic,his creation/mind is faulty,did God do this?straight question

Salaam Alan,
Of course there are lots of so called appalling things created by God and those who would prefer a clean world chose to abort the deformed foetus. Now the technology allows them to create perfect embryos, so no more ugly kids no more defective genes and end of the schizophrenic birth, this world is only for ?normal? people.
The schizophrenic, is at much a creation of God as you and me, and those who do not suffer like them should do all they can to help such suffers and should be thankful to God.
Now ask yourself what sort of world you would prefer?

peace

Fadhli

Salam all

this is sort of linked to my what does God get out of it question...

Why is "shirk" the unforgiveable sin while anything else can be forgiven? It is not harming anyone else?
And why do we have to believe? God always talks about almumineen/muslimeen/ahl alkitab as those who will know no fear while the mushrikeen/kuffar are the ones who will be hell-bound - if you are an atheist but a good person where does that leave you?

lol i tried asking it at google and i found this video...

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGtq2fyVexg

i like this idea. I can say this method is indeed effective. (at least for me)
(14
"everything has to be tested and confirmed"
"you gotta set aside your beliefs you assumptions and apply their method"
"Just like in any science and see if it works or not"

So what it got to do with the question?
It means the answer is not set on stone... we have to discover it ourselves. Experiment. And questioning this in this forum is one of the way... maybe you can figure the answer after this... ;D

In my opinion...
short and simple answer is to ask your heart...

but it's no fun to answer that way... so i like to share my own words and experience...
I think it is the matter what you want God is in your heart.. You want a loving and forgiving God? or you want a wrathful and jealous God? The more you focus on a loving God the more the love of God that you see. Same like the latter... The more you focus on wrathful God the the wrath of God that you see.

God is all, omniscent, omnipotent and whatnot... we understand that. But sometimes our mind tend to bias God on His certain aspect of Him. Since our childhood, our culture and beliefs have been imposed on us only some of His aspects. Once we grow and start questioning about God.. that's when the journey starts to become interesting... we will see a lot of thought, q&a about God, revelations, scriptures and a lot of things. Quran has said a lot about what God is... especially on the preferences of Allah to the believers... Heaven and hell, Judgmenet day and etc. I've walked this path before... and when i learned from it to apply the method like i mentioned earlier.... and i see more... Then see that Mohammed's teaching is designed to be understood for the people of that time. So i conclude to myself some of the Quran teaching are mostly valid to the people at that time. Not to say to disbelief in Quran's teaching. It's just that i have felt i have learned enough of it's wisdom. So i move on to find a different path to see whether it is easier for me to find Him.

So like our brother would say

And another thing is you dont have to believe if you dont want to... > But u will incur the wrath if you dont, so its your choice, your destiny, and your life. It none can believe except by Gods leave. He guides whom He wills. And misguides whom He wills.

this is the wall or borders that had been made to stay at certain belief area... like i said... you can belief God is wrathful or God is forgiving. You can mix both... but in the end you will end up a question like the OP asked.... if we try to apply the method above... which is put aside the wrathful God belief for a while and try to experiment to focus solely on the loving side of God for a while. See where it goes... maybe you'd like it... ;D
If you feared God will incur a wrath to you if you did or go to hell because of it... It's fine... it's just that you're not ready to walk beyond the border... you can stay there until you're ready... keep in mind that you hold the key to all of the doors God has given to you. You choose when to open it yourself.

I guess this might not be answer.. but i hope this could help you find your answer...

Peace

farida

Salam all

So i conclude to myself some of the Quran teaching are mostly valid to the people at that time. Not to say to disbelief in Quran's teaching. It's just that i have felt i have learned enough of it's wisdom. So i move on to find a different path to see whether it is easier for me to find Him.

You do not pay much attention to those who do not see a jealous God or the one who blackmail his servants despite God confirming that there is no compulsion in deen so if you want to move to a differnt path go ahead no one wants you to give explanation as you are not answerable to anyone on this forum. However please tell me why is it that many who say that they have moved on still appear reluctant. peace

Fadhli

Lol never thought that i'm not answerable.. interesting point... hmm hmm hmm

You mean reluctant to what?

Samia

I think it is the matter what you want God is in your heart.. You want a loving and forgiving God? or you want a wrathful and jealous God? The more you focus on a loving God the more the love of God that you see. Same like the latter... The more you focus on wrathful God the the wrath of God that you see.