why do we have to believe?

farida

Sorry to everyone who thinks Iam "p d" off with beleivers in God,iam not,iam trying to counter the arguements but you answer one and the ground shifts again,no direct reply.
God said "be" what is it he said "be",for there are obvious appaling creations,ie in the way certain creations cause so much suffering.Like the example of the schizophrenic,his creation/mind is faulty,did God do this?straight question

Salaam Alan,
Of course there are lots of so called appalling things created by God and those who would prefer a clean world chose to abort the deformed foetus. Now the technology allows them to create perfect embryos, so no more ugly kids no more defective genes and end of the schizophrenic birth, this world is only for ?normal? people.
The schizophrenic, is at much a creation of God as you and me, and those who do not suffer like them should do all they can to help such suffers and should be thankful to God.
Now ask yourself what sort of world you would prefer?

peace

Fadhli

Salam all

this is sort of linked to my what does God get out of it question...

Why is "shirk" the unforgiveable sin while anything else can be forgiven? It is not harming anyone else?
And why do we have to believe? God always talks about almumineen/muslimeen/ahl alkitab as those who will know no fear while the mushrikeen/kuffar are the ones who will be hell-bound - if you are an atheist but a good person where does that leave you?

lol i tried asking it at google and i found this video...

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGtq2fyVexg

i like this idea. I can say this method is indeed effective. (at least for me)
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"everything has to be tested and confirmed"
"you gotta set aside your beliefs you assumptions and apply their method"
"Just like in any science and see if it works or not"

So what it got to do with the question?
It means the answer is not set on stone... we have to discover it ourselves. Experiment. And questioning this in this forum is one of the way... maybe you can figure the answer after this... ;D

In my opinion...
short and simple answer is to ask your heart...

but it's no fun to answer that way... so i like to share my own words and experience...
I think it is the matter what you want God is in your heart.. You want a loving and forgiving God? or you want a wrathful and jealous God? The more you focus on a loving God the more the love of God that you see. Same like the latter... The more you focus on wrathful God the the wrath of God that you see.

God is all, omniscent, omnipotent and whatnot... we understand that. But sometimes our mind tend to bias God on His certain aspect of Him. Since our childhood, our culture and beliefs have been imposed on us only some of His aspects. Once we grow and start questioning about God.. that's when the journey starts to become interesting... we will see a lot of thought, q&a about God, revelations, scriptures and a lot of things. Quran has said a lot about what God is... especially on the preferences of Allah to the believers... Heaven and hell, Judgmenet day and etc. I've walked this path before... and when i learned from it to apply the method like i mentioned earlier.... and i see more... Then see that Mohammed's teaching is designed to be understood for the people of that time. So i conclude to myself some of the Quran teaching are mostly valid to the people at that time. Not to say to disbelief in Quran's teaching. It's just that i have felt i have learned enough of it's wisdom. So i move on to find a different path to see whether it is easier for me to find Him.

So like our brother would say

And another thing is you dont have to believe if you dont want to... > But u will incur the wrath if you dont, so its your choice, your destiny, and your life. It none can believe except by Gods leave. He guides whom He wills. And misguides whom He wills.

this is the wall or borders that had been made to stay at certain belief area... like i said... you can belief God is wrathful or God is forgiving. You can mix both... but in the end you will end up a question like the OP asked.... if we try to apply the method above... which is put aside the wrathful God belief for a while and try to experiment to focus solely on the loving side of God for a while. See where it goes... maybe you'd like it... ;D
If you feared God will incur a wrath to you if you did or go to hell because of it... It's fine... it's just that you're not ready to walk beyond the border... you can stay there until you're ready... keep in mind that you hold the key to all of the doors God has given to you. You choose when to open it yourself.

I guess this might not be answer.. but i hope this could help you find your answer...

Peace

farida

Salam all

So i conclude to myself some of the Quran teaching are mostly valid to the people at that time. Not to say to disbelief in Quran's teaching. It's just that i have felt i have learned enough of it's wisdom. So i move on to find a different path to see whether it is easier for me to find Him.

You do not pay much attention to those who do not see a jealous God or the one who blackmail his servants despite God confirming that there is no compulsion in deen so if you want to move to a differnt path go ahead no one wants you to give explanation as you are not answerable to anyone on this forum. However please tell me why is it that many who say that they have moved on still appear reluctant. peace

Fadhli

Lol never thought that i'm not answerable.. interesting point... hmm hmm hmm

You mean reluctant to what?

Samia

I think it is the matter what you want God is in your heart.. You want a loving and forgiving God? or you want a wrathful and jealous God? The more you focus on a loving God the more the love of God that you see. Same like the latter... The more you focus on wrathful God the the wrath of God that you see.