why do we have to believe?
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3060 So be patient, for God?s promise is true, and do not be dissuaded by those who do not have certainty.
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Hold on a minute we have one saying God creates thing purposley faulty and you saying we can help them,I know that its what I do for a living,but your not saying God created people to suffer just so some others could stop them sufferring?Ive lost the logic of this....
There is a purpose in all God's creation and for those who have more in terms of gifts it is an obligation to share their fortune with others, what we sometimes call Zakah. so yes if one is at a disadvantage be rich or poor able or disabled the duty is on the one who has more to help the others. If you see this as God purpostely creating faulty ones and shifts responsibility on you to help them then think carefully as God has given you a chance to earn your living out of his "fault".
I answered your question; will you now tell me what I asked you earlier, will you to tell me what sort of world you would have created if you had the chance to create one????? -
Hold on a minute we have one saying God creates thing purposley faulty and you saying we can help them,I know that its what I do for a living,but your not saying God created people to suffer just so some others could stop them sufferring?Ive lost the logic of this....
God has preferred some of you over others, so as to test you with what He has given you and see who works the ritheousness. And He makes some as a trial for others so as to test the believers paitience.
Did the people think that they would be left to say " We believe" without being put to the test? While God had tested the other generations.
And He made for you the hearing, eyesight and mind. And He perfected your desing. Little do you give thanks!
jedi
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Well now you know! yesSorry I was rushing this morning and did not realise that I left my post bit vague, what I meant was reluctant to do so i.e. move on, because you are still on this forum discussing the Mohammed's teaching designed for ancient civilizations. peace
lol don't tell me you take the meaning of "move on" as moving on to another forums?
I like this forums... it had helped me to increase my understanding with my Creator... Plus most of the people here is nice and free-minded....and i think i don't discuss much about Mohammed teaching.. most are about God..... there's a lot more to learn here... It's interesting for me that whenever i comment it ended up like it is an advice for me... kinda like the jumbled puzzle pieces in my mind is rearranged in words to teach me what i learned.... (or maybe God wants to teach me something) so i ended up reading my own comments and ponder back.. lol...
and if i'm not mistaken this forum is about (look up)
About us a forum for monotheists, and discussion of Islam based on The Quran.... -
GOD would not create anything that is faulty- but He would create us with a free will!!
GOD does not create someone and then not want them to follow the right path.
We are predestined to be like Christ, but we often chose the wrong path on our own!!
Romans 829
29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
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GOD would not create anything that is faulty- but He would create us with a free will!!
GOD does not create someone and then not want them to follow the right path.
We are predestined to be like Christ, but we often chose the wrong path on our own!!
Romans 829
29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
If the almighty had a son I would be the first to serve.
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Gud 4 u,Toni.
Yeap, it sure is good for me. yay ;D
All praises to God who did not take a son. hail
And when those who were wicked see the retribution they will see that all power belongs to God and that God is sever in retribution. elektro
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There is a purpose in all God's creation and for those who have more in terms of gifts it is an obligation to share their fortune with others, what we sometimes call Zakah. so yes if one is at a disadvantage be rich or poor able or disabled the duty is on the one who has more to help the others. If you see this as God purpostely creating faulty ones and shifts responsibility on you to help them then think carefully as God has given you a chance to earn your living out of his "fault".
I answered your question; will you now tell me what I asked you earlier, will you to tell me what sort of world you would have created if you had the chance to create one?????I dont think you answered it,you dodged it.There can be no rational reason for God to create something faulty,these faults are the very evidence of our slow developement,our world is not perfect,it is a work far from completion.
I cannot answer the Q you posed,as it is a bit silly(to be polite),I try to avoid dreaming also,of what I would do if I won the Lottery(which will never happen as I dont do it) O0 -
I dont think you answered it,you dodged it.There can be no rational reason for God to create something faulty,these faults are the very evidence of our slow developement,our world is not perfect,it is a work far from completion.
I cannot answer the Q you posed,as it is a bit silly(to be polite),I try to avoid dreaming also,of what I would do if I won the Lottery(which will never happen as I dont do it) O0Yes I have answered your question its you who expect this world to be paradise where as God never said this is a perfect world that is next stage since winning lottery is still a possibilty but making this world into your kind of world has Nooooo chance at all and if you dont like it than tough!!! peace peace
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and i think i don't discuss much about Mohammed teaching.. most are about God..... there's a lot more to learn here... It's interesting for me that whenever i comment it ended up like it is an advice for me... kinda like the jumbled puzzle pieces in my mind is rearranged in words to teach me what i learned.... (or maybe God wants to teach me something) so i ended up reading my own comments and ponder back.. lol...
and if i'm not mistaken this forum is about (look up)
About us a forum for monotheists, and discussion of Islam based on The Quran....You still want to keep up with backward teaching of the Mohammad Why?????
lol don't tell me you take the meaning of "move on" as moving on to another forums?
I like this forums... it had helped me to increase my understanding with my Creator... Plus most of the people here is nice and free-minded....Why would I ask you to move to another forum...you simply do not understand me brickwall
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Yes I have answered your question its you who expect this world to be paradise where as God never said this is a perfect world that is next stage since winning lottery is still a possibilty but making this world into your kind of world has Nooooo chance at all and if you dont like it than tough!!! peace peace
In order to answer it you have to explain how you can justify your belief that God has created faulty things to trip people up,perhaps and cause them great suffering?The next world,now that maybe true dodging,yes,yes,its all in the next world,unless you were one of those unfortunates God created to fail...
Farida,you are not understanding my point brickwall
I do not expect this world to be a paradise,thats clearly my point and the fact that it isnt is EVIDENCE that it has been evolved and continue to evolve,NOT CREATED,no God like intervention ,no "be". -
In order to answer it you have to explain how you can justify your belief that God has created faulty things to trip people up,perhaps and cause them great suffering?The next world,now that maybe true dodging,yes,yes,its all in the next world,unless you were one of those unfortunates God created to fail...
Farida,you are not understanding my point brickwall
I do not expect this world to be a paradise,thats clearly my point and the fact that it isnt is EVIDENCE that it has been evolved and continue to evolve,NOT CREATED,no God like intervention ,no "be".THERE IS NO FAULT IN GOD'S CREATION. everything is working according to God's timetable, make no mistake about that
And God saw EVERY THING that He had made, and, behold, it was VERY GOOD?" (Gen. 131).
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THERE IS NO FAULT IN GOD'S CREATION. everything is working according to God's timetable, make no mistake about that
And God saw EVERY THING that He had made, and, behold, it was VERY GOOD?" (Gen. 131).
We are going around in cicles here,please refer to all the other "believers"who acknowledged that God created "faulty" things.
So what is you explanation then Afridi,for the schizophrenic mind,for example,a poor human born to suffer. -
We are going around in cicles here,please refer to all the other "believers"who acknowledged that God created "faulty" things.
So what is you explanation then Afridi,for the schizophrenic mind,for example,a poor human born to suffer.what is your point?
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Are you suggesting by "timetable" that Gods creation is perfecting itself?
No!!!! Just look at yourself!
The only perfect being is God
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these faults are the very evidence of our slow developement,our world is not perfect,it is a work far from completion.
I cannot answer the Q you posed,as it is a bit silly(to be polite),I try to avoid dreaming also,of what I would do if I won the Lottery(which will never happen as I dont do it) O0Which means one of us is more developed than the other, infact allow me to make things easy for you and relieve you of the burden of politeness; we who believe in God are idiots, whereas those who see this world eventully evolving into a perfect world, without God, are sooo coooooool. o
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No!!!! Just look at yourself!
The only perfect being is God
PSWhich means one of us is more developed than the other, infact allow me to make things easy for you and relieve you of the burden of politeness; we who believe in God are idiots, whereas those who see this world eventully evolving into a perfect world, without God, are sooo coooooool.
1718 Whoever seeks the life of haste, We will make for Him what he wishes, then We will make Hell for him a place which he will reach disgraced and rejected.
1719 And whoever seeks the Hereafter and strives for it as it deserves, and is a believing person, then to those what they have sought is given in thanks.
1720 For both groups We will bestow from the bounty of your Lord. And the bounty of your Lord is never restricted.
1721 See how We have preferred some of them over the others; and in the Hereafter are greater levels, and greater preference. -
1718 Whoever seeks the life of haste, We will make for Him what he wishes, then We will make Hell for him a place which he will reach disgraced and rejected.
1719 And whoever seeks the Hereafter and strives for it as it deserves, and is a believing person, then to those what they have sought is given in thanks.
1720 For both groups We will bestow from the bounty of your Lord. And the bounty of your Lord is never restricted.
1721 See how We have preferred some of them over the others; and in the Hereafter are greater levels, and greater preference.1730 For your Lord increases the provision for anyone He chooses, and reduces it. He is fully Cognizant of His creatures, Seer.
1745 When you read the Quran, we place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier
1746 We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone, they run away in aversion
1749 They said, "After we turn into bones and fragments, we get resurrected anew
peace