why do we have to believe?
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GOD would not create anything that is faulty- but He would create us with a free will!!
GOD does not create someone and then not want them to follow the right path.
We are predestined to be like Christ, but we often chose the wrong path on our own!!
Romans 829
29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
If the almighty had a son I would be the first to serve.
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Gud 4 u,Toni.
Yeap, it sure is good for me. yay ;D
All praises to God who did not take a son. hail
And when those who were wicked see the retribution they will see that all power belongs to God and that God is sever in retribution. elektro
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There is a purpose in all God's creation and for those who have more in terms of gifts it is an obligation to share their fortune with others, what we sometimes call Zakah. so yes if one is at a disadvantage be rich or poor able or disabled the duty is on the one who has more to help the others. If you see this as God purpostely creating faulty ones and shifts responsibility on you to help them then think carefully as God has given you a chance to earn your living out of his "fault".
I answered your question; will you now tell me what I asked you earlier, will you to tell me what sort of world you would have created if you had the chance to create one?????I dont think you answered it,you dodged it.There can be no rational reason for God to create something faulty,these faults are the very evidence of our slow developement,our world is not perfect,it is a work far from completion.
I cannot answer the Q you posed,as it is a bit silly(to be polite),I try to avoid dreaming also,of what I would do if I won the Lottery(which will never happen as I dont do it) O0 -
I dont think you answered it,you dodged it.There can be no rational reason for God to create something faulty,these faults are the very evidence of our slow developement,our world is not perfect,it is a work far from completion.
I cannot answer the Q you posed,as it is a bit silly(to be polite),I try to avoid dreaming also,of what I would do if I won the Lottery(which will never happen as I dont do it) O0Yes I have answered your question its you who expect this world to be paradise where as God never said this is a perfect world that is next stage since winning lottery is still a possibilty but making this world into your kind of world has Nooooo chance at all and if you dont like it than tough!!! peace peace
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and i think i don't discuss much about Mohammed teaching.. most are about God..... there's a lot more to learn here... It's interesting for me that whenever i comment it ended up like it is an advice for me... kinda like the jumbled puzzle pieces in my mind is rearranged in words to teach me what i learned.... (or maybe God wants to teach me something) so i ended up reading my own comments and ponder back.. lol...
and if i'm not mistaken this forum is about (look up)
About us a forum for monotheists, and discussion of Islam based on The Quran....You still want to keep up with backward teaching of the Mohammad Why?????
lol don't tell me you take the meaning of "move on" as moving on to another forums?
I like this forums... it had helped me to increase my understanding with my Creator... Plus most of the people here is nice and free-minded....Why would I ask you to move to another forum...you simply do not understand me brickwall
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Yes I have answered your question its you who expect this world to be paradise where as God never said this is a perfect world that is next stage since winning lottery is still a possibilty but making this world into your kind of world has Nooooo chance at all and if you dont like it than tough!!! peace peace
In order to answer it you have to explain how you can justify your belief that God has created faulty things to trip people up,perhaps and cause them great suffering?The next world,now that maybe true dodging,yes,yes,its all in the next world,unless you were one of those unfortunates God created to fail...
Farida,you are not understanding my point brickwall
I do not expect this world to be a paradise,thats clearly my point and the fact that it isnt is EVIDENCE that it has been evolved and continue to evolve,NOT CREATED,no God like intervention ,no "be". -
In order to answer it you have to explain how you can justify your belief that God has created faulty things to trip people up,perhaps and cause them great suffering?The next world,now that maybe true dodging,yes,yes,its all in the next world,unless you were one of those unfortunates God created to fail...
Farida,you are not understanding my point brickwall
I do not expect this world to be a paradise,thats clearly my point and the fact that it isnt is EVIDENCE that it has been evolved and continue to evolve,NOT CREATED,no God like intervention ,no "be".THERE IS NO FAULT IN GOD'S CREATION. everything is working according to God's timetable, make no mistake about that
And God saw EVERY THING that He had made, and, behold, it was VERY GOOD?" (Gen. 131).
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THERE IS NO FAULT IN GOD'S CREATION. everything is working according to God's timetable, make no mistake about that
And God saw EVERY THING that He had made, and, behold, it was VERY GOOD?" (Gen. 131).
We are going around in cicles here,please refer to all the other "believers"who acknowledged that God created "faulty" things.
So what is you explanation then Afridi,for the schizophrenic mind,for example,a poor human born to suffer. -
We are going around in cicles here,please refer to all the other "believers"who acknowledged that God created "faulty" things.
So what is you explanation then Afridi,for the schizophrenic mind,for example,a poor human born to suffer.what is your point?
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Are you suggesting by "timetable" that Gods creation is perfecting itself?
No!!!! Just look at yourself!
The only perfect being is God
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these faults are the very evidence of our slow developement,our world is not perfect,it is a work far from completion.
I cannot answer the Q you posed,as it is a bit silly(to be polite),I try to avoid dreaming also,of what I would do if I won the Lottery(which will never happen as I dont do it) O0Which means one of us is more developed than the other, infact allow me to make things easy for you and relieve you of the burden of politeness; we who believe in God are idiots, whereas those who see this world eventully evolving into a perfect world, without God, are sooo coooooool. o
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No!!!! Just look at yourself!
The only perfect being is God
PSWhich means one of us is more developed than the other, infact allow me to make things easy for you and relieve you of the burden of politeness; we who believe in God are idiots, whereas those who see this world eventully evolving into a perfect world, without God, are sooo coooooool.
1718 Whoever seeks the life of haste, We will make for Him what he wishes, then We will make Hell for him a place which he will reach disgraced and rejected.
1719 And whoever seeks the Hereafter and strives for it as it deserves, and is a believing person, then to those what they have sought is given in thanks.
1720 For both groups We will bestow from the bounty of your Lord. And the bounty of your Lord is never restricted.
1721 See how We have preferred some of them over the others; and in the Hereafter are greater levels, and greater preference. -
1718 Whoever seeks the life of haste, We will make for Him what he wishes, then We will make Hell for him a place which he will reach disgraced and rejected.
1719 And whoever seeks the Hereafter and strives for it as it deserves, and is a believing person, then to those what they have sought is given in thanks.
1720 For both groups We will bestow from the bounty of your Lord. And the bounty of your Lord is never restricted.
1721 See how We have preferred some of them over the others; and in the Hereafter are greater levels, and greater preference.1730 For your Lord increases the provision for anyone He chooses, and reduces it. He is fully Cognizant of His creatures, Seer.
1745 When you read the Quran, we place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier
1746 We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone, they run away in aversion
1749 They said, "After we turn into bones and fragments, we get resurrected anew
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In order to answer it you have to explain how you can justify your belief that God has created faulty things to trip people up,perhaps and cause them great suffering?The next world,now that maybe true dodging,yes,yes,its all in the next world,unless you were one of those unfortunates God created to fail...
Give me one good reason why I have to explain anything to you when this is what my Lord says
As for those who are blind in this life, they will be blind in the Hereafter; even a lot worse.Farida,you are not understanding my point brickwall
I do not expect this world to be a paradise,thats clearly my point and the fact that it isnt is EVIDENCE that it has been evolved and continue to evolve,NOT CREATED,no God like intervention ,no "be".Why are you again P....d off; I know exactly what you are trying to say, from your very earliest post but, as my God says
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"THERE IS NO FAULT IN GOD'S CREATION."
You cant be serious!
I cant see the wood for the trees comes to mind.
Are you suggesting by "timetable" that Gods creation is perfecting itself?And. O.k. could you be more specific as to what you tryin to prove. Or are you just conjecturing? Bring your proofs.
And yes, God has perfected the creation. I do not find were it says God created faulty creations for this and that reason. But I do find were God has preffered some over others and that God does and creates what He pleases and He knows what is in the wombs ect...
And you said earlyer that no one created the one born wit the faulty brain. Then how did they get here? Or was God unaware of there creation? Or did someone else create faulty creatures besides God?
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It's nice to see everyone is expressing their thought about God... Keep it up guys... spread the love so others may learn from it... hehe... instead of seeing fire flaming see light showering and you'll see differently...
farida i guess i can't understand what you want to say other than what i have replied... but it's cool... no need to prolonged the less important details.. and i think you are well aware about yourself with God so let's be in peace.... no need to bump our head to the wall...
we're all already good... no need to worry...
salam
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"THERE IS NO FAULT IN GOD'S CREATION."
You cant be serious!
I cant see the wood for the trees comes to mind.
Are you suggesting by "timetable" that Gods creation is perfecting itself?We have indeed created man in the best of moulds. Then do we abase him to be the lowest of the low.9545
And your Lord creates and chooses whom He pleases; to choose is not theirs; glory be to Allah, and exalted be He above what they associate .}* (Al- Qasas 286.
He, Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and Who did not take to Himself a son, and Who has no associate in the kingdom, and Who created everything, then ordained for it a measure
No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah.}* (Al-Hadid 5722).
We could have been still-born, born in a royal palace or in a slum, as handsome or ugly, as a boy or girl, with high IQ or a lower one, with no congenital deformity or with many, and with multiple defective genes and hereditary diseases. Every person?s ID card relating to his anatomy, physiology, biochemistry and all the other characteristics are encoded in the genes of his chromosomes and determined in the womb. Acceptance of destiny acts as a solace in many stressful situations. Allah says, what meansAllah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; He creates what He pleases; He grants to whom He pleases daughters and grants to whom He pleases sons.}* (Ash-Shurah 4249).
Allah, unlike us, cannot be questioned for His acts. The Qur?an says, what means
He cannot be questioned concerning what He does and they shall be questioned. (Al-Anbiyaa' 2123).
All do We aid-- these as well as those-- out of the bounty of your Lord, and the bounty of your Lord is not confined. See how We have made some of them to excel others, and certainly the hereafter is much superior in respect of excellence.}* (Al-Israa' 1720-21).
And if We make man taste mercy from Us, then take it off from him, most surely he is despairing, ungrateful. And if We make him taste a favor after distress has afflicted him, he will certainly say The evils are gone away from me. Most surely he is exulting, boasting; Except those who are patient and do good, they shall have forgiveness and a great reward.}* (Hud 119-11).
Suffering in this world is a trial and a test not only for the mentally ill persons, but also for those with whom they interact
And We will most certainly try you with somewhat of fear and hunger and loss of property and lives and fruits; and give good news to the patient, who, when a misfortune befalls them, say ?Surely we are Allah's and to Him we shall surely return.? Those are they on whom are blessings and mercy from their Lord, and those are the followers of the right course.}* (Al-Baqarah 2155-157).
This also includes psychiatric cases. People who encountered suffering and adversity have better chances to go to Paradise, for Allah says, the meaning ofOr do you think that you would enter the garden while yet the state of those who have passed away before you has not come upon you; distress and affliction befell them and they were shaken violently, so that the Messenger and those who believed with him said When will the help of Allah come? Now surely the help of Allah is nigh! (Al-Baqarah 2214
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We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an Alaqah* (leech, suspended thing, blood clot), then We made the Alaqah into a Mudghah** (chewed, lump)? The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 23,Verse 12-14
Let him beware! If he does not stop, We will drag him by the Forelock * , a lying, sinful forelock? The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 96,Verse 15-16 police
Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then We clove them asunder, and made from water every living thing? Will they not then believe?" - The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 21,Verse 30
Or (the unbelievers? state) is like the darkness in a deep sea. It is covered by waves, above which are waves, above which are clouds. Darknesses, one above another. If a man stretches out his hand, he cannot see it