Anyone plan on making Hajj soon?
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Exactly my point... therefore, you are NOT THE FIRST of those who have submitted.
Peace
what is the matter with you?
what part of "of those" dont you understand.
And yes , I was commanded to be the first to submit!!!
I have submitted myself to God as well as those who follow me. Have you submitted???
Or do you want to ask your messengers as Moses was asked???
When Mohhamad said that he was the first to submit. were all those who submitted before him not submitters???!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Peace,
What is this "it" that one should do? If it is rational then what if you came accross people in the park near your home who do it? They have erected in the middle of the park a stone cube and are spinning seven times around it wearing nothing but newborn-style wraps. They are kissing a black stone in a vagina-shaped enclosure in its corner and are hurling stones at three upright pillars. What would you think about them doing it? Wouldn't you think that they are nuts? Why is the same exact "it" that they are doing crazy in the park next to your house but rational in Mecca? Does the air in Mecca make it rational?...Hmm....
Peace,
Ayman
laugh laugh laugh
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i dont agree
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Peace,
You don't have to agree no one forcing you.
Maria
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I dont find nothin funny about it.
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Peace,
Ok, maybe you are right, I feel more sad about it.
After being a blind follower of a according me weird religion (traditional islam) I sometimes laugh about it.
Thank God that I have open my mind up.Maria
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Peace Anthony,
If you are talking about going to Mecca to spin seven times around a stone cube veiled in a dress, kiss the Black Stone coming out of a vagina-shaped enclosure in the corner facing the winter sunrise, run between two hills to search for water for a newborn, and stone three symbols of the male power then most people do those rituals because they believe that as a result their sins will be forgiven and they will return sinless like newborn babies. So for people who do those rituals, the ideal timing to plan to make this Hajj is at an older age when they can supposedly wipe out their sins before they die.
Peace,
Ayman
You know very well that thats not the reason why they do it.
-Peace
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Peace
Ha ha ok can u tell me other reasons?
Maria
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Peace,
Oh really, but sure ur right, they believe that and that makes it more sad that they don't understand what islam is about.
They could start to change name on their sect because it cannot be named islam when islam is about something totally different.
Kabaismen or something would be a great name.Maria
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Peace,
Im just trying to judge it from both sides.
Thats the way they think.
So according to there thinking thats the truth.
so please maria dont make fun of them(if thats what your doing) when they didnt even do research like us. its not fair.
they dont think like us. so if one of us come to them and start telling them they are wrong without fully explaining everything in accordence to there ideas... then what will that do?
it wont do anything. Good words are the way of the Quran. I also am not aware at times and mistakenly make fun.
so im not sure if you are intentionally making fun of them by saying "it more sad that they don't understand what islam is about" or not. because text doesnt always get emotions across.
So if it wasnt ur intention then its better to not be sorry for someone or to say Im sorry for you cause you dont know the truth. by saying to the person that it may just make them more angry. because they belive that they are the ones that are right and they say back. "no i feel sorry for you because you dont know the truth" so it just becomes im right your wrong.Haha if the post was too long Im just trying to talk in a respectful way without leading to argument but education.
Peace
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As thrilling it would be for me to visit a country outside USA, especially going to the Hajj - I think it is not feasable to entertain the thought, as long as we are Progressive Muslims (NOT Sunni/Shia, etc). Simply because as I looked at a travel agency that schedules people to make the Hajj, they either have to belong to an Islamic country (and NO - the USA is not an Islamic country), or if the person doesn't have an Islamic name (by birth - I suppose) - they need verification they are muslim through a statement given by a mosque (how many Progress Muslim mosques are there anyway? Point(s) made.
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It is a rite and respnsibility that this person failed to commit to.
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It is a rite and respnsibility that this person failed to commit to.
manmade ritual, yes sure
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manmade ritual, yes sure
What evidence do you have?
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I performed pilgrimage 3 years ago. It changed me a lot for the better. So I disagree with Ayman when he claims that "to spin seven times around a stone cube veiled in a dress, kiss the Black Stone coming out of a vagina-shaped enclosure in the corner facing the winter sunrise..." is what most people do "because they believe that as a result their sins will be forgiven and they will return sinless like newborn babies." I did not spin the shrine which God Calls "My House" (2226) so that my sins should be forgiven but in order to gain the spirit an moral power of the early muslims by remebering them by that means.
By the way, I wholeheartedly agree with Ayman's idea about calendar. I even wrote an article in my mother tongue (Turkish) on it referring to Ayman's name and drawing on his explanations and posted it on my website (www.hasanakcay.net) and some forums I frequent. It seems to be quite convincing; I get favorable feedback.
Peace,
Hasan Akcay -
What evidence do you have?
Well not more evidence than you have )
And I don't need to go anyplace to be filled with happiness. I can just ask what I want and be happy and grateful. That's all it takes.
Why you make life difficult for u dude? Rites , LOL... -
Well not more evidence than you have )
And I don't need to go anyplace to be filled with happiness. I can just ask what I want and be happy and grateful. That's all it takes.
Why you make life difficult for u dude? Rites , LOL...2196 And complete the Pilgrimage and the visit for God. But, if you are prevented, then make what is affordable of donation, and do not shave your heads until the donation reaches its destination; but whoever of you is ill or has an affliction to his head, then he may redeem by fasting or giving a charity or a rite. But if you are able, then whoever continues the visit until the Pilgrimage, then he shall provide what is affordable of donation; but for he who cannot find anything, then he must fast for three days during the Pilgrimage and seven when he returns; this will make a complete ten; this is for those whose family is not present at the Sacred Temple. And be aware of God, and know that God is severe in retribution.
Why do I make life difficult for me? Why do most ignore this verse? And fail to commit to it? Is this a manmade rite, or a rite established by the Almighty?
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I don't mind going but Im definitely not dancing around the kaaba kissing a rock then stoning the "devil"(please show me where any of this was commanded in the quran)