Anyone plan on making Hajj soon?
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I dont find nothin funny about it.
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Peace,
Ok, maybe you are right, I feel more sad about it.
After being a blind follower of a according me weird religion (traditional islam) I sometimes laugh about it.
Thank God that I have open my mind up.Maria
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Peace Anthony,
If you are talking about going to Mecca to spin seven times around a stone cube veiled in a dress, kiss the Black Stone coming out of a vagina-shaped enclosure in the corner facing the winter sunrise, run between two hills to search for water for a newborn, and stone three symbols of the male power then most people do those rituals because they believe that as a result their sins will be forgiven and they will return sinless like newborn babies. So for people who do those rituals, the ideal timing to plan to make this Hajj is at an older age when they can supposedly wipe out their sins before they die.
Peace,
Ayman
You know very well that thats not the reason why they do it.
-Peace
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Peace
Ha ha ok can u tell me other reasons?
Maria
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Peace,
Oh really, but sure ur right, they believe that and that makes it more sad that they don't understand what islam is about.
They could start to change name on their sect because it cannot be named islam when islam is about something totally different.
Kabaismen or something would be a great name.Maria
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Peace,
Im just trying to judge it from both sides.
Thats the way they think.
So according to there thinking thats the truth.
so please maria dont make fun of them(if thats what your doing) when they didnt even do research like us. its not fair.
they dont think like us. so if one of us come to them and start telling them they are wrong without fully explaining everything in accordence to there ideas... then what will that do?
it wont do anything. Good words are the way of the Quran. I also am not aware at times and mistakenly make fun.
so im not sure if you are intentionally making fun of them by saying "it more sad that they don't understand what islam is about" or not. because text doesnt always get emotions across.
So if it wasnt ur intention then its better to not be sorry for someone or to say Im sorry for you cause you dont know the truth. by saying to the person that it may just make them more angry. because they belive that they are the ones that are right and they say back. "no i feel sorry for you because you dont know the truth" so it just becomes im right your wrong.Haha if the post was too long Im just trying to talk in a respectful way without leading to argument but education.
Peace
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As thrilling it would be for me to visit a country outside USA, especially going to the Hajj - I think it is not feasable to entertain the thought, as long as we are Progressive Muslims (NOT Sunni/Shia, etc). Simply because as I looked at a travel agency that schedules people to make the Hajj, they either have to belong to an Islamic country (and NO - the USA is not an Islamic country), or if the person doesn't have an Islamic name (by birth - I suppose) - they need verification they are muslim through a statement given by a mosque (how many Progress Muslim mosques are there anyway? Point(s) made.
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It is a rite and respnsibility that this person failed to commit to.
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It is a rite and respnsibility that this person failed to commit to.
manmade ritual, yes sure
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manmade ritual, yes sure
What evidence do you have?
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I performed pilgrimage 3 years ago. It changed me a lot for the better. So I disagree with Ayman when he claims that "to spin seven times around a stone cube veiled in a dress, kiss the Black Stone coming out of a vagina-shaped enclosure in the corner facing the winter sunrise..." is what most people do "because they believe that as a result their sins will be forgiven and they will return sinless like newborn babies." I did not spin the shrine which God Calls "My House" (2226) so that my sins should be forgiven but in order to gain the spirit an moral power of the early muslims by remebering them by that means.
By the way, I wholeheartedly agree with Ayman's idea about calendar. I even wrote an article in my mother tongue (Turkish) on it referring to Ayman's name and drawing on his explanations and posted it on my website (www.hasanakcay.net) and some forums I frequent. It seems to be quite convincing; I get favorable feedback.
Peace,
Hasan Akcay -
What evidence do you have?
Well not more evidence than you have )
And I don't need to go anyplace to be filled with happiness. I can just ask what I want and be happy and grateful. That's all it takes.
Why you make life difficult for u dude? Rites , LOL... -
Well not more evidence than you have )
And I don't need to go anyplace to be filled with happiness. I can just ask what I want and be happy and grateful. That's all it takes.
Why you make life difficult for u dude? Rites , LOL...2196 And complete the Pilgrimage and the visit for God. But, if you are prevented, then make what is affordable of donation, and do not shave your heads until the donation reaches its destination; but whoever of you is ill or has an affliction to his head, then he may redeem by fasting or giving a charity or a rite. But if you are able, then whoever continues the visit until the Pilgrimage, then he shall provide what is affordable of donation; but for he who cannot find anything, then he must fast for three days during the Pilgrimage and seven when he returns; this will make a complete ten; this is for those whose family is not present at the Sacred Temple. And be aware of God, and know that God is severe in retribution.
Why do I make life difficult for me? Why do most ignore this verse? And fail to commit to it? Is this a manmade rite, or a rite established by the Almighty?
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I don't mind going but Im definitely not dancing around the kaaba kissing a rock then stoning the "devil"(please show me where any of this was commanded in the quran)
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Whoever honors the restrictions, then it is from the pity of the hearts. And do not transgress in it. Else God will let you taste a sever punishment in it... They are seeking a mercy from there Lord and a forgiveness. So I think we should honor the restrictions made by the pilgramage... God is fully aware of what is inside the chests...
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I don't mind going but Im definitely not dancing around the kaaba kissing a rock then stoning the "devil"(please show me where any of this was commanded in the quran)
You wont find those devils there, as they've been covered up by the Saudis.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=O552_mdDM6k&feature=related
There you see it...
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgyf2aHS6Hc
and there you don't. -
Whoever honors the restrictions, then it is from the pity of the hearts. And do not transgress in it. Else God will let you taste a sever punishment in it... They are seeking a mercy from there Lord and a forgiveness. So I think we should honor the restrictions made by the pilgramage... God is fully aware of what is inside the chests...
What are you talking about?! confused What does this "pilgrimage" entail, in your opinion? What is involved in it?
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What are you talking about?! confused What does this "pilgrimage" entail, in your opinion? What is involved in it?
Peace, my view of it is whatever Quran says about it
52 O you who believe, do not violate the symbols of God, nor the restricted month, nor the donations, nor what is regulated, nor the safety made by the Sacred Dwelling; for they are seeking a bounty from their Lord and a blessing. And when it is permitted for you, then you may hunt. And let not the hatred of another people; because they had barred you from the Sacred Temple; make you aggress. And bond together in piety and righteousness, and do not bind together in sin and aggression. And be aware of God, for God's retribution is severe.
2225 Surely, those who have rejected and repel from the path of God, and from the Sacred Temple that We have made for the people ? for the one devoted therein and the one that visits it ? and whoever inclines to evil action in it, We will let them taste a painful retribution.
And so on...
I never made pilgramage before and I am still learning ( trying to figure out what is involved in it and so on so I know what to do when I get there , ect...- God willing.) .
All I know is that it is a rite and Allah is owed by us ( mankind) to make pilgramage. Whoever can make a way to it...
Unless im misunderstanding ur questions?
peace