Number of wives?
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salam muslimtruthrevealed. do you have a verse from the quran that says a a particular number of wives is prohibited? i am sure you do not. how do you make haram that which allah has made jaiz? or is that the best you can do, making weak statements?
allah is the lawgiver.
Assalaam Alaikum
Please ponder this ayah....this is what you asked for....
Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi
amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha / amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha = Keep your dignity with your wife/mate and have regard for Allahwa tukhfee fee nafsika / and Be aware of your soul;your inner feelings
ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahufa lamma qada zaydun minha wataran zawwaj nakaha li-kaa (for YOU) la yakoona AAala almu/mineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiya-ihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan
Your need for marriage is ONE single Female....
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Assalaam Alaikum @Nun de plume
We are NOT on the same page...your off point....
baadu / after this is referring to the 'decree that ends 'excesses' in regards to women in Sura 3337....and
in the reference to the 'exclusive' right of the Messenger to marry women of his choosing
O those who believe in the Prophet! ....ANY BELIEVING WOMAN WHO DEDICATES HER SOUL TO THE PROPHET IF THE PROPHET WISHES TO WED HER;- THIS ONLY FOR YOU, AND NOT FOR (You) THE BELIEVERS / waimraatan muminatan in wahabat nafsaha lilnnabiyyi in arada alnnabiyyu an yastankihaha/ khalisatan/ laka min dooni almumineena
Unfortunately, the English translation does NOT capture and reflect the context and meanings of the Arabic constructs.
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salam muslimtruthrevealed. allah does not play word games. when allah says something is forbidden, it is clear. do not play word games. khanzeer harramun aleyka, is clear, pig meat is forbidden. this is how allah is very clear.
allah never says, zawj althani harramun aleyka, nor does he say zawj althalatha harramun aleyka. in order to reach your conclusion that a second or third or any other number is prohibited, you will have to produce a verse like that. there is no such verse.
to prohibit by any device that which allah makes jaiz, is prohibited and punished most severely by allah. why would you risk such severe punishment?
allah is the lawgiver.
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salam muslimtruthrevealed. allah does not play word games. when allah says something is forbidden, it is clear. do not play word games. khanzeer harramun aleyka, is clear, pig meat is forbidden. this is how allah is very clear.
allah never says, zawj althani harramun aleyka, nor does he say zawj althalatha harramun aleyka. in order to reach your conclusion that a second or third or any other number is prohibited, you will have to produce a verse like that. there is no such verse.
to prohibit by any device that which allah makes jaiz, is prohibited and punished most severely by allah. why would you risk such severe punishment?
allah is the lawgiver.
Assalaam Alaikum
Im NOT concerned about your 'veil' threats to prevent myself and others from the guidance and truth of Allah.
Sura Nisa 43 is NOT referring to the 'number of wives' one can marry.
Allah is telling Men, NOT to take the Blessing of marriage as an invitation to 'act' upon your desires of lust and oppression.
You are free to showme what 'word games' I have 'played'.
The truth (is) from ALLAH alone; so be not of those who doubt.
If any one disputes in this matter with you, after knowledge had s come to you, say. ? come! Let us gather together,-- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves. then let us earnestly pray, and CALL THE CURSE OF ALLAH ON THOSE WHO LIE!?
But if they turn back , Allah has full knowledge of those who do mischief.
I await your response.
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Assalaam Alaikum @Al Araf....
It seems again that you 'refuse' to accept the ayah Sura 3337, which clearly gives the 'decree' of ONE single wife, period.
Also Sura 43 ....
Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa VERBAL SENTENCE >>> inkihoo ADVERBAL MODIFIERS >>> MA TABA lakum minna <<< GENITIVE >>> alnnisai ADJECTIVES >>> mathna wathulatha warubaAAa <<< fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fa ADJECTIVE Subject (Al Nisa) >>>> wahidatan <<< aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo
wahiditan (tarmubutah & tanwin, adjective to the feminine noun (Al Nisai ) means ONE female indefinitely
and this one....
MARRY THOSE AMONG YOU WHO ARE SINGLE, and the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or FEMALE. if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace. for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.
I have shown that your statement
in order to reach your conclusion that a second or third or any other number is prohibited, you will have to produce a verse like that. there is no such verse.
...... is primarily an 'emotional' statement and NOT based upon any serious understanding of the ayahs.
Please address the ayahs and show evidence that I have 'played games' with the words.
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salam muslimthreadrevealed. you are inventing lies.
3337 has to do with marrying the wives of adopted sons. your interpretation is utter nonsense. there is no decree regarding one wife in that verse.
43 has to do with marrying orphans, and it says a man may marry two or three or four. the subject is orphans, and it permits marrying more than one. it says if you fear and that is the crux of the sentence, supposing the person does not fear, then your statement becomes void. again this has to do with orphans, and orphans only. you cannot take what allah says about orphans and claim this is for all women. regardless the permission for more than one wife is absolutely clear in this verse. for you to claim otherwise is a lie.
2432 has to do with marrying single women, in other words a woman married to someone else, or a woman has not received a talaq is prohibited. again nothing to do with single wife.
your post is complete nonsense. do not bother to respond any further. i reject your nonsense out of hand completely.
allah is the lawgiver.
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has to do with marrying orphans, and it says a man may marry two or three or four.
A little clarification. The verse does not say "a man may marry". Rather it is a command to the society as a whole to arrange the marriages of widows, in twos, threes, fours. For the society this has been declared "which is taba lakum". Increased number of widows remaining without marriage will certainly result in nonesense activities, for this reason it is Taba for the society to arrange marriage of widows.
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A little clarification. The verse does not say "a man may marry". Rather it is a command to the society as a whole to arrange the marriages of widows, in twos, threes, fours. For the society this has been declared "which is taba lakum". Increased number of widows remaining without marriage will certainly result in nonesense activities, for this reason it is Taba for the society to arrange marriage of widows.
Salaams Mazhar,
I remember Br. Layth and a few other people used to deny polygamy, that it exists in the quran, until he came across;
423 Your mothers, and your daughters, ............................ and that you combine between the two sisters, except what had preceded, that God was/is forgiving, merciful.
That you can't keep two sisters at the same time!
2432
Marry those among you who have are single, or the virtuous ones among yourselves, male servants or maid servants if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace for Allah encompassed all, and he knoweth all things.This ayah is I think talking about those of us who have been made single or are single but are not well off and are actually below you financially- and that Allah will give them means out of his grace.
Page 137 of lanes;
It?s not saying men can't take on polygamy, does it?
Dd you know hindu women can't marry when they become widowed , there are hundredes of millions of these single women in India and the men who are well off can help themselves to these women when ever they choose to without marrying them???
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2432
Marry those among you who have are single, or the virtuous ones among yourselves, male servants or maid servants if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace for Allah encompassed all, and he knoweth all things.
This ayah is I think talking about those of us who have been made single or are single but are not well off and are actually below you financially- and that Allah will give them means out of his grace."Ankehoo" is a command to the well off segment of the society to arrange for the marriages of non married persons and their home servants who cannot afford the expenses of marriage, and in the next verse is adice for those who are poor and can't meet the expenses or find spouse for that reason. When we say without referring to command aspect of the word "marry", it may not give the proper perception infolded in the word.
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"Ankehoo" is a command to the well off segment of the society to arrange for the marriages of non married persons and their home servants who cannot afford the expenses of marriage, and in the next verse is adice for those who are poor and can't meet the expenses or find spouse for that reason.
Is that with their consent or without their consent? And where does it talk about getting their consent.
Obviously if the ayah was about your-self you don't need consent from yourself!
You know you cannot forcibly marry people!
Lastly please be wise as to show us the meaning you are proposing in any credible dictionary to support your Ankehoo meaning.
Thanks Br.
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The case of leaving more than one widow in the ayahs about inheritance is not considered. ?Any explanation? ?And what to do in case of more than one widow?
This isn't my translation but doesn't it answer your query?
In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.
Without going too deep, doesn't the plurality of the wives mean anything?
Salaam.
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In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.
This isn't my translation but doesn't it answer your query?
Without going too deep, doesn't the plurality of the wives mean anything?
Salaam.
The plurality of (wives) in this verse goes with the plurality of "you", so it is insignificant.
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salam muslimthreadrevealed. you are inventing lies.
3337 has to do with marrying the wives of adopted sons. your interpretation is utter nonsense. there is no decree regarding one wife in that verse.
43 has to do with marrying orphans, and it says a man may marry two or three or four. the subject is orphans, and it permits marrying more than one. it says if you fear and that is the crux of the sentence, supposing the person does not fear, then your statement becomes void. again this has to do with orphans, and orphans only. you cannot take what allah says about orphans and claim this is for all women. regardless the permission for more than one wife is absolutely clear in this verse. for you to claim otherwise is a lie.
2432 has to do with marrying single women, in other words a woman married to someone else, or a woman has not received a talaq is prohibited. again nothing to do with single wife.
your post is complete nonsense. do not bother to respond any further. i reject your nonsense out of hand completely.
allah is the lawgiver.
Assalaam Alaikum @Al Araf
Its quite obvious that you are not intellectually equipped and/or lack emotional maturity to engage in this discussion.
Im sorry I will refrain from responding to your comments.
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A little clarification. The verse does not say "a man may marry". Rather it is a command to the society as a whole to arrange the marriages of widows, in twos, threes, fours. For the society this has been declared "which is taba lakum". Increased number of widows remaining without marriage will certainly result in nonesense activities, for this reason it is Taba for the society to arrange marriage of widows.
Assalaam Alaikum @Mazhar.....
Where is the reference for 'widows' in Sura 43?
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Salaams Mazhar,
I remember Br. Layth and a few other people used to deny polygamy, that it exists in the quran, until he came across;
That you can't keep two sisters at the same time!
This ayah is I think talking about those of us who have been made single or are single but are not well off and are actually below you financially- and that Allah will give them means out of his grace.
Page 137 of lanes;
It?s not saying men can't take on polygamy, does it?
Dd you know hindu women can't marry when they become widowed , there are hundredes of millions of these single women in India and the men who are well off can help themselves to these women when ever they choose to without marrying them???
Assalaam Alaikum @Simple....
Sura 2432 is clear, If you are single marry only single people, that goes for both male and female.
What is the problem?
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Salams
Going slightly off track here but according to 42, "To orphans restore their property nor substitute worthless things for good ones; and devour not their substance with your own. For this is indeed a great sin," it's pretty clear that the orphans the Quran is mentioning here are the ones in your care. So connecting that with 43, it is pretty clear that the "orphan" women that are permitted for marriage here, have to already be under the care of the maintainer.
I also looked at 2240 "Those of you who die and leave widows should bequeath for their widows a year's maintenance and residence, but if they leave, there is no blame on YOU for what they do with themselves, provided it is reasonable, And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise." Who is the YOU referring to here? Is it the maintainer assigned by the widower's husband? Surely it can't be the widowers husband since he's already dead. How can he even be blamed if he's already dead?
So my understanding is that whoever was assigned caretaker of the orphans, has the opportunity to marry the "orphan" women for fear of not being able to deal justly with the orphans. Once a man marries the "orphan" women, they automatically become his responsibility as governed by the quran's marital laws. So it's not a right for any man to simply marry any woman if he desires to do so.
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The plurality of (wives) in this verse goes with the plurality of "you", so it is insignificant.
True, and it can mean one wife or a number of wives.
As is indicative by inheritance to a child or a number of CHILDREN- where does it tell us the shares for say 4 boy children? It doesn't? As for a number of wives, isn't it?
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True, and it can mean one wife or a number of wives.
As is indicative by inheritance to a child or a number of CHILDREN- where does it tell us the shares for say 4 boy children? It doesn't? As for a number of wives, isn't it?
However, I do not agree with you on th second point. The inheritance verses state a formula, so it covers all probabilities. Same as for siblings. On the other hand, no such formula exists for wives/husbands. I think this is what huruf meant, and I agree with her. No such accommodation for more than one wife can be deduced, directly or indirectly, from the inheritance verses.