Number of wives?
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2432
Marry those among you who have are single, or the virtuous ones among yourselves, male servants or maid servants if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace for Allah encompassed all, and he knoweth all things.
This ayah is I think talking about those of us who have been made single or are single but are not well off and are actually below you financially- and that Allah will give them means out of his grace."Ankehoo" is a command to the well off segment of the society to arrange for the marriages of non married persons and their home servants who cannot afford the expenses of marriage, and in the next verse is adice for those who are poor and can't meet the expenses or find spouse for that reason. When we say without referring to command aspect of the word "marry", it may not give the proper perception infolded in the word.
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"Ankehoo" is a command to the well off segment of the society to arrange for the marriages of non married persons and their home servants who cannot afford the expenses of marriage, and in the next verse is adice for those who are poor and can't meet the expenses or find spouse for that reason.
Is that with their consent or without their consent? And where does it talk about getting their consent.
Obviously if the ayah was about your-self you don't need consent from yourself!
You know you cannot forcibly marry people!
Lastly please be wise as to show us the meaning you are proposing in any credible dictionary to support your Ankehoo meaning.
Thanks Br.
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The case of leaving more than one widow in the ayahs about inheritance is not considered. ?Any explanation? ?And what to do in case of more than one widow?
This isn't my translation but doesn't it answer your query?
In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.
Without going too deep, doesn't the plurality of the wives mean anything?
Salaam.
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In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.
This isn't my translation but doesn't it answer your query?
Without going too deep, doesn't the plurality of the wives mean anything?
Salaam.
The plurality of (wives) in this verse goes with the plurality of "you", so it is insignificant.
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salam muslimthreadrevealed. you are inventing lies.
3337 has to do with marrying the wives of adopted sons. your interpretation is utter nonsense. there is no decree regarding one wife in that verse.
43 has to do with marrying orphans, and it says a man may marry two or three or four. the subject is orphans, and it permits marrying more than one. it says if you fear and that is the crux of the sentence, supposing the person does not fear, then your statement becomes void. again this has to do with orphans, and orphans only. you cannot take what allah says about orphans and claim this is for all women. regardless the permission for more than one wife is absolutely clear in this verse. for you to claim otherwise is a lie.
2432 has to do with marrying single women, in other words a woman married to someone else, or a woman has not received a talaq is prohibited. again nothing to do with single wife.
your post is complete nonsense. do not bother to respond any further. i reject your nonsense out of hand completely.
allah is the lawgiver.
Assalaam Alaikum @Al Araf
Its quite obvious that you are not intellectually equipped and/or lack emotional maturity to engage in this discussion.
Im sorry I will refrain from responding to your comments.
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A little clarification. The verse does not say "a man may marry". Rather it is a command to the society as a whole to arrange the marriages of widows, in twos, threes, fours. For the society this has been declared "which is taba lakum". Increased number of widows remaining without marriage will certainly result in nonesense activities, for this reason it is Taba for the society to arrange marriage of widows.
Assalaam Alaikum @Mazhar.....
Where is the reference for 'widows' in Sura 43?
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Salaams Mazhar,
I remember Br. Layth and a few other people used to deny polygamy, that it exists in the quran, until he came across;
That you can't keep two sisters at the same time!
This ayah is I think talking about those of us who have been made single or are single but are not well off and are actually below you financially- and that Allah will give them means out of his grace.
Page 137 of lanes;
It?s not saying men can't take on polygamy, does it?
Dd you know hindu women can't marry when they become widowed , there are hundredes of millions of these single women in India and the men who are well off can help themselves to these women when ever they choose to without marrying them???
Assalaam Alaikum @Simple....
Sura 2432 is clear, If you are single marry only single people, that goes for both male and female.
What is the problem?
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Salams
Going slightly off track here but according to 42, "To orphans restore their property nor substitute worthless things for good ones; and devour not their substance with your own. For this is indeed a great sin," it's pretty clear that the orphans the Quran is mentioning here are the ones in your care. So connecting that with 43, it is pretty clear that the "orphan" women that are permitted for marriage here, have to already be under the care of the maintainer.
I also looked at 2240 "Those of you who die and leave widows should bequeath for their widows a year's maintenance and residence, but if they leave, there is no blame on YOU for what they do with themselves, provided it is reasonable, And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise." Who is the YOU referring to here? Is it the maintainer assigned by the widower's husband? Surely it can't be the widowers husband since he's already dead. How can he even be blamed if he's already dead?
So my understanding is that whoever was assigned caretaker of the orphans, has the opportunity to marry the "orphan" women for fear of not being able to deal justly with the orphans. Once a man marries the "orphan" women, they automatically become his responsibility as governed by the quran's marital laws. So it's not a right for any man to simply marry any woman if he desires to do so.
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The plurality of (wives) in this verse goes with the plurality of "you", so it is insignificant.
True, and it can mean one wife or a number of wives.
As is indicative by inheritance to a child or a number of CHILDREN- where does it tell us the shares for say 4 boy children? It doesn't? As for a number of wives, isn't it?
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True, and it can mean one wife or a number of wives.
As is indicative by inheritance to a child or a number of CHILDREN- where does it tell us the shares for say 4 boy children? It doesn't? As for a number of wives, isn't it?
However, I do not agree with you on th second point. The inheritance verses state a formula, so it covers all probabilities. Same as for siblings. On the other hand, no such formula exists for wives/husbands. I think this is what huruf meant, and I agree with her. No such accommodation for more than one wife can be deduced, directly or indirectly, from the inheritance verses.
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Assalaam Alaikum
Sura Nisa 411 and 412 is NOT referring to any 'plurality' of wives relative to individual Men. Again, thats merely an attempt to 'validate' falsely by implying that polgamy is sanctioned by inheritance law.
Allah (thus) directs you / Yoosee (dual pronoun ,2nd person, male & female, PLURAL)to recommend, to order, to command, to counsel, make a will
Allah is addressing ALL, male, female, and those involved in the circumstance of understanding inheritance
Sura Nisa 412 is a 'continuation' of that 'counsel' or 'command' relating to inheritance law...
In what your mates leave / Wa lakum nisfu ma taraka azwajukum (dual pronoun 2nd person, male & female, PLURAL)
Sura 411 - 412 is NOT a sanction of polygamy (multiple wives), its clearly defining inheritance law. If someone has multiple wives, mates or debts its all addressed in those ayahs.
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True, and it can mean one wife or a number of wives.
As is indicative by inheritance to a child or a number of CHILDREN- where does it tell us the shares for say 4 boy children? It doesn't? As for a number of wives, isn't it?
Assalaam Alaikum @simple....
It amazes how some of you can just say 'no verse exist', 'its not in the quran', 'it doesn't exist in the quran'
Allah states....
There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but (forms part of) communities like you. NOTHING HAVE WE OMITTED FROM THE BOOK, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.
Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance). to the male, a portion / HATHTHI equal to that of two females.
It doesnt matter If he has 100 boys, they all split a 'portion' 'equal' to the portion of ONE of the Females. Not equal to the 'sum' of two Females but the same portion's Females spilt between thermselves.
a portion 1/4th , equal to that of two females = 2/3rd?s
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Were we to understand that the plural of wives may include the plurality of them for a particular husband, still something would be lacking. The deceased may have children with one of them and not with another, which would change everything if we are to follow known considerations in the Quran.
As to the YOU in 2.240, it must refer to the collectivity which it is addressing since the begining, which as I understand it is the community of believers, and in each occasion the part of that community which is competent for whatever action it is mentioning. In many cases it may be the community at large, like in the case of the orphans, there may be no particular maintainer appointed as such either by succession or by the deceased or by self appointment, and it falls on the whole community to see to it.
Salaam
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Were we to understand that the plural of wives may include the plurality of them for a particular husband, still something would be lacking. The deceased may have children with one of them and not with another, which would change everything if we are to follow known considerations in the Quran.
As to the YOU in 2.240, it must refer to the collectivity which it is addressing since the begining, which as I understand it is the community of believers, and in each occasion the part of that community which is competent for whatever action it is mentioning. In many cases it may be the community at large, like in the case of the orphans, there may be no particular maintainer appointed as such either by succession or by the deceased or by self appointment, and it falls on the whole community to see to it.
Salaam
Those of you / allatheena
collective, community of people
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Of which verse?
Whatever verse it is. For instance, do you find democracy in the Quran? No? Still, as a muslim, one supports the democracy? This is because we extrapolate from the Quran, that society evolves from it's teachings, and that is not in conflict with it, no, it is what it intends.
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However, I do not agree with you on th second point. The inheritance verses state a formula, so it covers all probabilities. Same as for siblings. On the other hand, no such formula exists for wives/husbands. I think this is what huruf meant, and I agree with her. No such accommodation for more than one wife can be deduced, directly or indirectly, from the inheritance verses.
Hi Samia,
In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth
Their share ia fourth but if you leave children they get an eighth , what formulae do we need?
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Those of you / allatheena
collective, community of people
Salaams Br,
can you give your translation of this ayah please;
004.003
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the Al-Yataama, then Marry what seems good to you of women, Two's, three's, four's(e.t.c); but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, though, with Oath, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.Salaams.