Who are the people of the book?
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Peace,
Imaatah/imaatatun means to cause someone to die, not to treat them as dead. Besides that, thanks Samia.
Godbless,
AnwarSalaam Anwar
I know that, and thank you for further clarifying what I already said, that " Kill and humiliate are the original meanings". To treat as dead is also a meaning (mentioned in the classical dictionaries).
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Peace,
Samia, how would you say 'to treat as dead', or better yet how do the dictionaries say that? Because to my knowledge that meaning is not communicated by the word Imaatah/Imaatatun, which was the word you seem to be using to refer to that idea. That is, according to your quote in Arabic.
The above plus, original meaning other than to kill to humiliate. It also means to treat someone as dead
I see humiliation idhlaalun, but I don't see 'to treat as dead', I just see Imaatah/Imaatatun.
Godbless,
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Salam,
The followers of Moses are the Jews,
The followers of Jesus are the Christians,
The followers of Mohd are the Muslims,
These are the people of the book,
The same scriptures God gave Moses, Jesus and Mohd...of four scriptures ....these are the three.
It is said in the Quran, that other people will recognize the Quran as they recognize their own child, bcoz each prophet said above were given their own language scriptures.
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Peace,
Samia, how would you say 'to treat as dead', or better yet how do the dictionaries say that? Because to my knowledge that meaning is not communicated by the word Imaatah/Imaatatun, which was the word you seem to be using to refer to that idea. That is, according to your quote in Arabic.
I see humiliation idhlaalun, but I don't see 'to treat as dead', I just see Imaatah/Imaatatun.
Godbless,
Anwarimata is one of the meanings of qaf taa laam (as the entry of the classical dictionaries says and I quoted .
We are talking about "qatala", and imata is an explanation.
Here is where the dictionary says (to treat as dead).
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Salaam Alaikum
From a Quranic perspective People of the Book NOT 'Jews and Christians'
The People of The Book / Al Kitab are the 19 Prophets mentioned in Sura Al Anam 683 - 689
These were the men to whom We gave THE BOOK / Al Kitab, and authority, and prophethood. if these (their descendants) reject them, Behold! We shall entrust their charge to a new people who reject them not.
These Prophets were given The Book / Al Kitab, singular, ONE Book
Muhammed,as was given The Book / Al Kitab also....
To you (i.e. Muhammed) We sent The Book / Al Kitaba in truth, confirming WHAT IS BETWEEN YOUR TWO HANDS from Al Kitab
The Quran explains the details of The Book / Al Kitab....
And this Al-Quran / The Reading is not that can be produced from other than Allah, but it is a confirmation, that is between his two hands and the explanation / details of Al-kitab / The Book there is no doubt in it from the Lord of the worlds.
There are 33+ attributes of The Book / Al Kitab 'detailed' in the Quran in the following ayahs
2.185, 5.44, 3.3, 2.105, 11.96, 2.2, 53.4, 2.75, 6.104, 2.99, 85.21, 72.1, 5.15, 39.23, 12.3, 14.25, 3.138, 15.9, 7.145, 21.48, 2.99, 7.62, 3.44, 23.6, 98.2, 45.18, 9.49, 2.145, 10.35
'The Book' Al Kitab has NOTHING to do with Old Testament or New Testament Bible/Torah
Not all of them are alike. Of the People of the Book are a nation / ommatun that stand / in salat. They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.
Muslims in this ayah are being identified and confirmed as 'People of the Book'.
Jews and Christians are mentioned as 'reciting from The Book / Al Kitab'
And the Yahood/Jews say, ?That Nasara/Christians are not on anything.? And the Nasara/Christians say? that the Yahood/Jews are not on anything.? And both of them are reciting AL-KITAB/THE BOOK. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.
Thus Muslims, Jews and Christians are reciting/referring from the guidance of Allah, but creating their own books
And when Allah took a covenant from the People of The Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs (teaching something else), and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made!
Say. "Have you seen (these) 'Partners' of yours whom you call upon besides Allah? Show Me what it is they have created in the (wide) earth. Or have they a share in the heavens? Or HAVE WE GIVEN THEM A BOOK FROM WHICH THEY (CAN DERIVE) CLEAR (EVIDENCE)?- NO / Bal, the wrong-doers promise each other nothing but delusions.
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As it relates to Sura Baqarah 254....
And remember Moses said to his people. "O my people! You have indeed wronged yourselves by your worship of the calf. So turn (in repentance) to your Originator, and slay yourselves / faoqtuloo anfusakum ; that will be better for you in the sight of your Maker." Then He turned towards you (in forgiveness). For He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
faoqtuloo (1st person, singular, Imperfect Passive Verb, the subject (Mose's people) is the object of the verb)
Passive means a verb, or form of a verb, which expresses the effect of the action on the Subject of the verb, Not active, but acted upon; suffering or receiving impressions or INTERNAL influences
Its the 'slaying' or severing ties with idolatry within the 'soul', the spiritual body (anfusakum)
O you who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities. But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will. NOR KILL YOURSELVES / la taqtuloo anfusakum . for verily Allah has been to you Most Merciful!
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Peace,
I dont know if anyone here mentioned this before. But the argument that the Torah and Injeel are completly corrupt wouldnt be 100% true. I mean archeologicaly speaking we have the dead sea scrols which was before both jesus and muhammad. and what Torah do you think was used during the time of muhammad? How would those Jews find the truth and confirm if there wasnt truth in the Torah and Injeel at that time? I mean all we would need is to have versions that existed before muhammad was born then they would be valid enough to compare with the Quran right?
Peace
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Peace,
I dont know if anyone here mentioned this before. But the argument that the Torah and Injeel are completly corrupt wouldnt be 100% true. I mean archeologicaly speaking we have the dead sea scrols which was before both jesus and muhammad. and what Torah do you think was used during the time of muhammad? How would those Jews find the truth and confirm if there wasnt truth in the Torah and Injeel at that time? I mean all we would need is to have versions that existed before muhammad was born then they would be valid enough to compare with the Quran right?
Peace
Salam,
Well done Barmack
Salam,
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Peace,
I dont know if anyone here mentioned this before. But the argument that the Torah and Injeel are completly corrupt wouldnt be 100% true. I mean archeologicaly speaking we have the dead sea scrols which was before both jesus and muhammad. and what Torah do you think was used during the time of muhammad? How would those Jews find the truth and confirm if there wasnt truth in the Torah and Injeel at that time? I mean all we would need is to have versions that existed before muhammad was born then they would be valid enough to compare with the Quran right?
Peace
Assalaam Alaikum
Dead Sea Scrolls are 'fragments'
Secondly, Muusa,as was inspired by Al Toori NOT by a Torah
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salam. allah commands the following
567
a very direct command from allah to deliver the following
538
a severe command from allah to observe the torah and the injeel , and a statement from allah that without the torah and injeel people stand on nothing.
and to those who deny the torah and injeel allah says
548
allah has said the book he has revealed is a guardian over what he has revealed before.
those who claim the torah and injeel are unguarded and not reliable dispute with allah.
allah is the posessor of power over all things.
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salam. allah commands the following
567
a very direct command from allah to deliver the following
538
a severe command from allah to observe the torah and the injeel , and a statement from allah that without the torah and injeel people stand on nothing.
and to those who deny the torah and injeel allah says
548
allah has said the book he has revealed is a guardian over what he has revealed before.
those who claim the torah and injeel are unguarded and not reliable dispute with allah.
allah is the posessor of power over all things.
Assalaam Alaikum
Its NOT 'Torah' that Muusa,as was given by Allah,swt it was 'Al Toori'......
There came to you Moses with clear (Signs); Yet you worshipped the calf (Even) after that, and you did behave wrongfully.
And remember We took your covenant and We raised above you of Mount / fawqakumu al-toora (Saying). "Hold firmly to what We have given you, and adhere / listen to the guidance / ismaAAoo ". They said." We hear, and we disobey." And they had to drink into their hearts (of the taint) of the calf because of their Faithlessness. Say. "Vile indeed are the behests of your Faith if you have any faith!"
Fawqa superior in rank, excellence, overcome surpass
toori manner, way of action, kind, class, limit, time(repeated action), stage, state
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 345 (tara)And remember MOOSA/MOSES in AL-KITAB/THE BOOK, surely he was devout/sincere and a Messenger, Prophet.
Allah,swt continues in the next ayah.....
Wa nadaynahu min janibi al-toori al-aymani waqarrabnahu najiyyan
Janiba means one who is in a temporary state from submission and recognition of guidance; one who is being led or called to guidance or recognition
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 102-103 (janaba)toori manner, way of action, kind, class, limit, time(repeated action), stage, state
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 345 (tara)aymani; means trust, security, faithful, steadfast;Root word Amina meaning to trust, be secure, be in safety, confide in Related Forms Aimanun Right Hands, Oath; Aimana meaning Right, Blessed; Maimanah meaning People of the Right Hand, that are blessed; Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 35 (amuna); Dictionary of the Holy Quran Page 33 (Amina)
Those who claim 'Torah' is 'Al-Tawrat', you have another problem, 'Al-Toori'......
Which one is it? 'Al-Tawrat' or 'Al-Toori'?
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The word "Torah" in Hebrew "is derived from the root which in the hifil conjugation means "to teach" (cf. Lev. 1011). The meaning of the word is therefore "teaching," "doctrine," or "instruction"; the commonly accepted "law" gives a wrong impression."
Rabinowitz, Louis Isaac and Harvey, Warren. "Torah." Encyclopaedia Judaica. EdThe term "Torah" is therefore also used in the general sense to include both Judaism's written law and oral law, serving to encompass the entire spectrum of authoritative Jewish religious teachings throughout history, including the Mishnah, the Talmud, the Midrash and more, and the inaccurate rendering of "Torah" as "Law" may be an obstacle to "understanding the ideal that is summed up in the term talmud torah ( , "study of Torah,", characterized in Jewish tradition as excelling all things."
pp.164-165, Scherman, Exodus 1249
Moed Erubin 21b
"?.And furthermore, my son, be admonished of making many books. My son be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah, for in the laws of the Torah there are positive and negative precepts, but, as to the laws of the Scribes whoever transgresses any of the enactments of the Scribes incurs the penalty of death."KOHELETH 1211-14
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails well fastened are those that are composed in collections; they are given from one shepherd.
And furthermore, My son, be admonished of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
The end of the matter, all having been heard fear G-d, and keep His commandments; for this is the whole man.
For G-d shall bring every work into the judgment concerning every hidden thing, whether it be good or whether it be evil."Isaiah 2913-15
And the L-rd said Forasmuch as this people draw near, and with their mouth and with their lips do honor Me, but have removed their heart far from Me, and their fear of Me is a commandment of men learned by rote (in writing);
Therefore, behold, I will again do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder; and the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the prudence of their prudent men shall be hid.
Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the L-RD, and their works are in the dark, and they say 'Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?'
The 'Torah' has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Quran!
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salam.
the word is.. which is torah in english
calling the word toori is completely wrong. the word is altawrah. do not mislead people.
allah is the truth.
Assalaam Aalaikum
Excuse me....your so emotional your NOT thinking rationally....the references to 'Al-Toori' and 'Al-Tawrat' are TWO distinctly different words used in different ayahs throughout the Quran!
Al Toori is spelled with 'taw'
Al Tawrat is spelled with 'ta'
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salam. you must pay attention to my post if you are going to take issue.
i never posted the word toori, you did that. for you to post the word toori claiming i used that word is beyond ridiculous.
where do you see the word toori in there. it is not in there. why are you behaving like a mentally ill person, arguing about toori, when i have not used the word toori? is something wrong with you?
allah is the truth.
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salam. you must pay attention to my post if you are going to take issue.
i never posted the word toori, you did that. for you to post the word toori claiming i used that word is beyond ridiculous.
where do you see the word toori in there. it is not in there. why are you behaving like a mentally ill person, arguing about toori, when i have not used the word toori? is something wrong with you?
allah is the truth.
Good try...you learned something today....Al Toori is NOT Al Tawrat as YOU implied
This is my final response to you.
Assalaam Alaikum
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Has it not been mentioned here that "The Bible" can be further translated as "the book" and thus into arabic "al kitab".
Assalaam Alaikum @Far
The 'Bible' has nothing to do with the Quran, granted there is some truth in the Bible.
Biblos is given a false generic meaning ?Burnt Bricks? and in Hebrew Bible ?Babel? means ?confusion?. However it is not a Greek word but adopted by them from the Caannanite/Phoenicians who gave them their alphabet it means ?burnt bricks? from Babylon or BIBLE-On.
Babylon is the Greek variant of Akkadian Babilu, an ancient city in Mesopotamia (Location 32? 32 11 N, 44? 25 15 E, modern Al Hillah, Iraq). It was the capital of the Babylonian empire from ca. 600 BC. In the Hebrew Bible, the name appears as (Babel), interpreted by popular etymology to mean "confusion". Akkadian bb-il? means "Gate of God", translating Sumerian Kadingirra.
Greeks named Gebail = Byblos. (Arabic Jebail) Greeks while in Gebail imported Papyrus and ?Burnt Bricks? from Egypt with inscriptions
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Assalaam Alaikum @Far
The 'Bible' has nothing to do with the Quran, granted there is some truth in the Bible.
Biblos is given a false generic meaning Burnt Bricks and in Hebrew Bible Babel means confusion. However it is not a Greek word but adopted by them from the Caannanite/Phoenicians who gave them their alphabet it means burnt bricks from Babylon or BIBLE-On.
Babylon is the Greek variant of Akkadian Babilu, an ancient city in Mesopotamia (Location 32? 32 11 N, 44? 25 15 E, modern Al Hillah, Iraq). It was the capital of the Babylonian empire from ca. 600 BC. In the Hebrew Bible, the name appears as (Babel), interpreted by popular etymology to mean "confusion". Akkadian bb-il? means "Gate of God", translating Sumerian Kadingirra.
Greeks named Gebail = Byblos. (Arabic Jebail) Greeks while in Gebail imported Papyrus and Burnt Bricks from Egypt with inscriptions
Where did you get your research from?
http//etymonline.com/?term=bible
Bible
early 14c., from Anglo-L. biblia, from M.L./L.L. biblia (neuter plural interpreted as fem. sing.), in phrase biblia sacra "holy books," from Gk. ta biblia to hagia "the holy books," from biblion "paper, scroll," the ordinary word for "book," originally a dim. of byblos "Egyptian papyrus," possibly so called from the name of the Phoenician port from which Egyptian papyrus was exported to Greece. The port's name is a Gk. corruption of Phoenician Gebhal (modern Jbeil, Lebanon), said to mean lit. "frontier town" (cf. Heb. gebhul "frontier, boundary," Arabic jabal "mountain". The Christian scripture was refered to in Gk. as Ta Biblia as early as c.223. Bible replaced O.E. biblio?ece "the Scriptures," from Gk. bibliotheke, lit. "book-repository" (from biblion + theke "case, chest, sheath", used of the Bible by Jerome and the common L. word for it until Biblia began to displace it 9c. Figurative sense of "any authoritative book" is from 1804. Bible Belt first attested 1926, reputedly coined by H.L. Mencken.