Oral Debate between Ayman and Edip...
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Peace Bahman
In this life.
In this life.
No.
Peace Ayman
That was yesterday to day you are a beleiver. Welcome. I recommend you chose different topic now because no body accept you claim your work as DESIGN and God's work COINCIDENCE.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16958.msg180950#msg180950
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7431 is not about seeing any "angels". It is about the count of 19 being a trial/temptation for the unappreciative/disbelievers.
The Quran said that you would ask these questions. Do you deny the ninteen angels made to guard Hell? Do you know what will happen to those who do?
Well said.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman
Make your mind Ayaman is there any angel or no ? -
peace
Glory be to our God.
peace
That was yesterday and Ayman needed a fake messenger like you tp support his mistake.
Now he has confessed that all those code 19 pattern are culuated and DESINED is NOt COINCIDENCE.
Brother Edip was going t open asection for Fake Messengers I hope this forum to create one and keep you poeple from spreading all these nonesense claims and junks over this forum. Then the poeple like to see you come to your section.
Dear Layth such condition is causng many members to be discouraged and leave your forum you have to find a solution for these internet youtube fake messengers
I am not here more but let others have discussion with poeple that have not lost it.
I was banned because I asked why you do not add Quran Alone to your forum and this fake messenger screams to my brother Ahmed Bidal SHUT UP and no boy of these moderators saw it or ignore it. Wonder?
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The Quran said that you would ask these questions. Do you deny the ninteen angels made to guard Hell? Do you know what will happen to those who do?
Oh I need another Glass rotfl there is aIGNORE button in left side. thank you Layth I push it now likw may others and say bye laugh
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Nice peace
Peace Dear Sister
That is your idea but this man with his claim as messenger with no proof is damaging image of GR Quran. You as moderator should be more careful taking side of afake messenger. He can not tell more than Quran and FN translation. please be careful and do not let you be branded as supporter and encourage such corruption.
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ok, so is this debate happening then?
well i just tried to register at palltalk and it told me my country was invalid. anyone have similar problems? i guess i have to rely on someone to record it. has some kind being got this under control?here's the link to the room if you dont mind me posting it here http//express.paltalk.com/index.html?gid=1180111535
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Peace everyone,
I would like to thank everyone who attended the live debate earlier today. I think that both Edip and I would be interested in hearing your feedback in terms of the following
- How we can improve the process and the set up the next time around.
- If anyone changed their mind or leaning as a result of the debate.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace everyone,
I would like to thank everyone who attended the live debate earlier today. I think that both Edip and I would be interested in hearing your feedback in terms of the following
- How we can improve the process and the set up the next time around.
- If anyone changed their mind or leaning as a result of the debate.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman
I do not how many like m were interested to listen to chat but the room could not be found. May paltalk moderating rooms and takes while to be in directory.
How ever hope you or Edip has recorded and uploaded in you tube for everybody.
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Peace everyone,
I would like to thank everyone who attended the live debate earlier today. I think that both Edip and I would be interested in hearing your feedback in terms of the following
- How we can improve the process and the set up the next time around.
- If anyone changed their mind or leaning as a result of the debate.
Peace,
Ayman
Very nice to listen to both of you sharing your thoughts... too bad I could not ask my questions, and in fact had to cut short my attendence however the discussionwas insightful from both parties.
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That is your idea but this man with his claim as messenger with no proof is damaging image of GR Quran. You as moderator should be more careful taking side of afake messenger. He can not tell more than Quran and FN translation. please be careful and do not let you be branded as supporter and encourage such corruption.
Best thing is push ignore buttonRashid is your god. He failed the math test for the rejecting mathmitician when he disregarded Gods words ( 9128-129) in order to justify his claim and to show his proof as messenger ( but God stopped sending the signs and it isnt for any messenger to bring proof except by Gods leave). Him and his followers will be cast into Hell. God gave him plenty. But he got greedy wanting that God give him more ( messengership). He had the power of the uneverse at hand, and even with this knowledge he had and wisdom, he pursued selfish ends. The number of angels gaurding the Fire is for him and his soldiers. 19 is the mark of Rashid Kalfa. The number of the angels was made so that he can take a math test. Whenever Gods messenger wants to abuse his authority, he may. And that is what he did. Just because he brought the 19 "miracle," doesent mean that you know he was Gods soldier or messenger. Only God knows who His solders or messengers are.
He was faced with a choice If we keep these verses, then my theory fails and the Quran is not protected. And if we dismiss these verses then my theory is correct. He took it upon himself to protect the Quran as if he is God. And he took it upon himself to change it of his own accord. And we believe in the math in the Quran, but he oversteped in his system other than the truth when he followed his desire.
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I would like to thank Ayman for his participation and expressing the views of a skeptic with a cool temper. Inshallah, we will meet at the same room Islamic Reform at Paltalk again. If we have enough volunteers then we can keep it open most of the time.
Peace,
Edip -
Does believing/disbelieving in 19 make you a better submitter/worse submitter than what you currently are ? Is it really necessary?..what is it?s purpose ?
Is it a sign for those who already believe in monotheism but can use this sign to reaffirm their believe ?
Is it a sign for those who do not believe and in order to try to make these people believe, this sign was hidden and discovered until the time was right ?
Why need this sign at all ? Did Prophet Muhammed use this or a similar sign to convince his followers ? What signs did he use......or did he just lead by example ?
I am not anti-19. Indeed on the contrary it's how i discovered Quran-alone on the submission.org website. So maybe this sign can be used to promote true islam or at least Quran alone for some people??
There is one contradiction I have noted and I?m not sure if this has been discussed on this thread or on another and that is on the submission.org site and indeed in one of RK?s addendums, it is claimed the number of times of contact prayers is 5 (http//www.submission.org/salat19.html ) and 19 is used to prove this. However, there are many on this forum who believe the quran only specifies ?salat? as occurring 2 or 3 times in the day. So are there those who believe in 19 but reject the 5 a day contact prayer theory? -
Assalaam Alaikum Islam NAD
Actually there are 6 timings defined in the quran as 'Sunnah' (i.e. Sunnah of Allah)
? Establish SALAH / PRAYER by the sun's decline (Zuhar, Asar) to the darkening of the night (Maghrib, Esha) and the reading of the dawn, (Fajr) surely the reading of the dawn is witnessed.
Aqimi alssalata lidulooki alshshamsi ila ghasaqi allayli waqurana alfajri inna qurana alfajri kana mashhoodan
? And so be vigilant / Tahajjud from the night, an additional for you, so it may be THAT YOUR LORD WILL RAISE YOU TO A STANDING POSITION OF PRAISE.
Wamina allayli fa tahajjad bihi nafil atanlaka AAasa an yabAAathaka rabbuka maqaman mahmoodan
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Peace everyone,
I would like to thank everyone who attended the live debate earlier today. I think that both Edip and I would be interested in hearing your feedback in terms of the following
- How we can improve the process and the set up the next time around.
- If anyone changed their mind or leaning as a result of the debate.
Peace,
Ayman
I would like to thank Ayman for his participation and expressing the views of a skeptic with a cool temper. Inshallah, we will meet at the same room Islamic Reform at Paltalk again. If we have enough volunteers then we can keep it open most of the time.
Peace,
Edipnope
These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord but those who deny for them will be cut out a garment of Fire over their heads will be poured out boiling water. (19) With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. (24-20)
Disputing is not Fun brickwall
One of you will have a garment of Fire... yes
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^ I don't think that is the kind of "dispute" being spoken of...
Peace;
Yes IT IS. Please read the following commendments and tell me what do you think about disputing among Submitters.
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O ye who believe! fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam. (102)
And hold fast, all together by the rope of Allah, and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make his signs clear to you that ye may be guided. (103)
Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong; they are the ones to attain felicity. (104)
Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear signs; for them is a dreadful penalty. (105)
On the Day when some faces will be white, and some faces will be black; to those whose faces will be black, (will be said) "Did ye reject faith after accepting it? Taste then the penalty for rejecting faith. (106)
But those whose faces will be whitethey will be in Allah's mercy; therein to dwell (forever). (107)
These are the Signs of Allah We rehearse them to thee in Truth and Allah means no injustice to any of His creatures. (3-10 -
Ironically, if we are in the middle of such a dispute and all parties are equally condemned, then you have just jumped into its middle and you too also are a party, in fact, a party with the greatest sword you have condemned not one group, but two groups. You are now disputing against both groups and condemning them to hell, ironically for merely debating on a controversial issue!
Peace,
Edip