Oral Debate between Ayman and Edip...
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salam,
i dont know why, on submission they have them in order of there number value, they start from #1 and of course go up, and each letter has a value, but why is it taught that way in syria and in that very order, maybe that was the system they used in the old days, who knows, but i found it very interesting.That is called abjad and mostly followed by shia
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that is very interesting.....................dam im good,(long story) sub7an allah
ABJAD
THE NUMERICAL VALUE OF ARABIC LETTERSARABIC LETTER
VALUE
ARABIC LETTER
ALIF
1BA
2JEEM
3DAL
4HA
5WAW
6ZA
7HAY
8TOIN
9YA
10KAAF
20LAAM
30MEEM
40NOON
50SEEN
60AYN
70FA
80SAAD
90QAF
100RA
200SHEEN
300TA
400SA
500KHA
600ZAL
700DHWAD
800ZOIN
900GHAYN
1000I learned that long before and i knew there use also .
jedi
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confused confused confused
before?..........when exactley?and where from? do you mind sharing, its really important for my own studies
that is tua value 9
i had lots of books which i destroyed long before
ok check this site
http//www.meem.freeuk.com/Abjad.html
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Peace anna
I'm still waiting for your reply to my last post (I would love to hear your opinion)Okay; but do ot ignore the Fact that God used the word 7aleem, which is one of his names, to discribe Abrahem.
Now, I will give you some more examples
Example one shows how people use one of God's name (God's Title) to discribe Human
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Said the Chiefs of the people of Pharaoh "This is indeed a sorcerer well-versed. (7-109)
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And bring up to thee all (our) sorcerers well-versed." (7-112)Example two shows how God used his name (God's Title) to discribe people
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So he began (the search) with their baggage, before (he came to) the baggage of his brother at length He brought it out of his brother's baggage. Thus did We plan for Joseph. He could not take his brother by the law of the king except that Allah willed it (so). We raise to degrees (of wisdom) whom We please but over all endued with knowledge is One more knowledgable. (12-76)
Example Three shows Angels useing God's Name (God's Title) to discribe a Human (Issac)
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They said "Fear not! We give thee glad tidings of a son endowed with wisdom." (15-53)
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(When they did not eat), He conceived a fear of them. They said "Fear not" and they gave him glad tidings of a son endowed with knowledge. (51-2
Example four shows a Messanger of God using two names of God (God's Titles) to discribe himself
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(Joseph) said "Set me over the storehouses of the land I ?m a keeper and Knowledgeable" (12-55)
Thus, 9-128 is not different than any of the above example.
Peace
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Peace anna
I'm still waiting for your reply to my last post (I would love to hear your opinion)salam,
my dear i already told you im not going to post anymore,but i will this last time, the quran has a special language, it is understood by those truthful to god,
yes those words that you showed me if used in SPECIFEC way , would be in use for god, but in the way they are set up in these verses they are not,i told you and any arab would confirm and i have even tested it on other forums,
whenever you use the words ghaforoon ra7eem it automatically means god, there is zero doubt in that. and everyone i have asked even non arabs but muslim they say it refers to god, mind you i am not waiting for anyone to confirm it for me, l7amdillah i am well guided and who best to guide then allah himself. -
salam,
my dear i already told you im not going to post anymore,but i will this last time, the quran has a special language, it is understood by those truthful to god,
yes those words that you showed me if used in SPECIFEC way , would be in use for god, but in the way they are set up in these verses they are not,i told you and any arab would confirm and i have even tested it on other forums,
whenever you use the words ghaforoon ra7eem it automatically means god, there is zero doubt in that. and everyone i have asked even non arabs but muslim they say it refers to god, mind you i am not waiting for anyone to confirm it for me, l7amdillah i am well guided and who best to guide then allah himself.(٥
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Anna, I see that Yousuf called himself Two Names that are well known names of God. OPEN YOUR EYES to the Truth.
Peace
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Anna, I see that Yousuf called himself Two Names that are well known names of God. OPEN YOUR EYES to the Truth.
Peace
Human Forgiveness in Islam
Just as it is important to believe in the mercy and forgiveness of Allah, it is also necessary to base human relations on forgiveness. We cannot expect Allah?s forgiveness unless we also forgive those who do wrong to us. Forgiving each other, even forgiving one?s enemies is one of the most important Islamic teaching. In the Qur?an Allah has described the Believers as ?those who avoid major sins and acts of indecencies and when they are angry they forgive.? (4237) Later in the same S?rah Allah says, ?The reward of the evil is the evil thereof, but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is upon Allah.? (al-Shura 4240)
??. But if you pardon and exonerate and forgive, Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful.? (Qur?an, 64 14)?? They should rather pardon and overlook. Would you not love Allah to forgive you? Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful.? (Qur?an, 2422)
But if someone is steadfast and forgives, that is the most resolute course to follow.? (Qur?an, 4243) For that reason, believers are forgiving, compassionate and tolerant people who, as revealed in the Qur?an, ?control their rage and pardon other people.? (Qur?an, 3134)jedi
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Anna, I see that Yousuf called himself Two Names that are well known names of God. OPEN YOUR EYES to the Truth.
Peace
ok as you wish in your heart
my heart tells me otherwise and i will not accept anyone other then god being called ra2ofon ra7eem, and by the way the meaning of that aya is that usif is telling them he is trust worthy. how is that being given gods title
please the quran is very delicate and very easily abused
one must beware because god does not take lightley to those who abuse it. -
What can be more abusing that deleting Two Quranic verses brickwall
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my dear belal, they were never part of the quran to say they were deleted..........you know what is the greatest teacher in the world after quran? LIFE experience,so please i dont want to waste my time writing or printing, when you read my posts, read it and understand the meaning of it with out me having to write a whole essay. a few words, simple and clear, my dear you can beleive whatever you want im not here to convince anyone of anything, i am simply stating what i beleive and what i have learned from god and his book in the past 5 years, i have never understood the quran before and all of sudden i started understanding the meaning without any help from translations and dictionaries i simply trusted in god, and that my dear friend is how you undertsand quran, you must have faith, true faith, do you know what true faith is, ill give you an example.......
you are standing on the road, a car is coming at you at 80 miles an hour, you are standing in the face of that car, but your body doesnt even twitch, you know from your faith, god will stop the car dead in its place before it touches you,but that car is coming at a speed and getting closer and closer, but still your body does not move, the blood is rushing inside of you but your faith will keep you standing. THAT my friend is real faith, now i know, that that wont happen because people dont have enough faith but that is the highest level of faith.
now when you read that example did you laugh inside while you are reading it and said thats crazy nobody would do that, of course the car will run me over.........only god and you knows what you thought of that example. BUT for everyone that read it and DOES think that, you have made it clear to yourselves not to me not to god but to yourselves that you did NOT read into the meaning of that example. therefore you do not know what true faith is, not that you dont want it, but you simple dont know what it is.
again i say it, the quran is a not a book to be easily abused, in saying that,AND AS ALLAH MY WITNESS the 2 verses are NOT from the quran they are not holy verses, you can bring me all the ayat you want as you did before unless you understand the meaning in depth of those ayat do not try to use words on me as if you know what you are talking about. i told you before and i will say it again, the quran is structured in perfection every word in its every place is structured to perfection and in order to understand quran you must go into depth of undertanding it, im not saying its hard, but as long as you are depending on dictionaries and translations you will never undertand quran, and most likely you probably understood nothing from what i have just said, you will reply very quickly not thinking for a moment of the meaning , im not just typing i am a human behind this screen with feelings of sadness for those who dont understand and in hopes that even one word i say might make sense to them, then i know i have done well, but i will never know. -
Peace Belal,
What can be more abusing that deleting Two Quranic verses brickwall
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I agree with you completely on this issue. Deleting verses from al-quran is rejecting God's words and is tantamount to kufr/rejection/covering the truth. It is also kufr/rejection/covering the truth of the following verse in addition to 159
4142 No falsehood could enter it, presently or afterwards; a revelation from a Most Wise, Praiseworthy.
Those who reject 9128-129 also automatically reject 159 and 4142. God describes the fate of quran rejecters explicitly in al-quran. This fits in neatly with count of 19 being a trial for REJECTERS.
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my dear belal, they were never part of the quran to say they were deleted..........you know what is the greatest teacher in the world after quran? LIFE experience,so please i dont want to waste my time writing or printing, when you read my posts, read it and understand the meaning of it with out me having to write a whole essay. a few words, simple and clear, my dear you can beleive whatever you want im not here to convince anyone of anything, i am simply stating what i beleive and what i have learned from god and his book in the past 5 years, i have never understood the quran before and all of sudden i started understanding the meaning without any help from translations and dictionaries i simply trusted in god, and that my dear friend is how you undertsand quran, you must have faith, true faith, do you know what true faith is, ill give you an example.......
you are standing on the road, a car is coming at you at 80 miles an hour, you are standing in the face of that car, but your body doesnt even twitch, you know from your faith, god will stop the car dead in its place before it touches you,but that car is coming at a speed and getting closer and closer, but still your body does not move, the blood is rushing inside of you but your faith will keep you standing. THAT my friend is real faith, now i know, that that wont happen because people dont have enough faith but that is the highest level of faith.
now when you read that example did you laugh inside while you are reading it and said thats crazy nobody would do that, of course the car will run me over.........only god and you knows what you thought of that example. BUT for everyone that read it and DOES think that, you have made it clear to yourselves not to me not to god but to yourselves that you did NOT read into the meaning of that example. therefore you do not know what true faith is, not that you dont want it, but you simple dont know what it is.
again i say it, the quran is a not a book to be easily abused, in saying that,AND AS ALLAH MY WITNESS the 2 verses are NOT from the quran they are not holy verses, you can bring me all the ayat you want as you did before unless you understand the meaning in depth of those ayat do not try to use words on me as if you know what you are talking about. i told you before and i will say it again, the quran is structured in perfection every word in its every place is structured to perfection and in order to understand quran you must go into depth of undertanding it, im not saying its hard, but as long as you are depending on dictionaries and translations you will never undertand quran, and most likely you probably understood nothing from what i have just said, you will reply very quickly not thinking for a moment of the meaning , im not just typing i am a human behind this screen with feelings of sadness for those who dont understand and in hopes that even one word i say might make sense to them, then i know i have done well, but i will never know.Peace Anna,
Unless you bring a well-established verse from Quran that give you the right to delete verses, then you are in a big big problem. What you said above has nothing to do with deleting verses.
May God Open your Eyes to the Truth.Peace Belal,
I agree with you completely on this issue. Deleting verses from al-quran is rejecting God's words and is tantamount to kufr/rejection/covering the truth. It is also kufr/rejection/covering the truth of the following verse in addition to 159
4142 No falsehood could enter it, presently or afterwards; a revelation from a Most Wise, Praiseworthy.
Those who reject 9128-129 also automatically reject 159 and 4142. God describes the fate of quran rejecters explicitly in al-quran. This fits in neatly with count of 19 being a trial for REJECTERS.
Peace truthseeker
I agree with every thing you wrote above; I hope anna can understand your analysis.
But I still disagree with you on the Moon issue yes
May God lead all of us the truth.
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my dear belal, they were never part of the quran to say they were deleted..........you know what is the greatest teacher in the world after quran? LIFE experience,so please i dont want to waste my time writing or printing, when you read my posts, read it and understand the meaning of it with out me having to write a whole essay. a few words, simple and clear, my dear you can beleive whatever you want im not here to convince anyone of anything, i am simply stating what i beleive and what i have learned from god and his book in the past 5 years, i have never understood the quran before and all of sudden i started understanding the meaning without any help from translations and dictionaries i simply trusted in god, and that my dear friend is how you undertsand quran, you must have faith, true faith, do you know what true faith is, ill give you an example.......
you are standing on the road, a car is coming at you at 80 miles an hour, you are standing in the face of that car, but your body doesnt even twitch, you know from your faith, god will stop the car dead in its place before it touches you,but that car is coming at a speed and getting closer and closer, but still your body does not move, the blood is rushing inside of you but your faith will keep you standing. THAT my friend is real faith, now i know, that that wont happen because people dont have enough faith but that is the highest level of faith.
now when you read that example did you laugh inside while you are reading it and said thats crazy nobody would do that, of course the car will run me over.........only god and you knows what you thought of that example. BUT for everyone that read it and DOES think that, you have made it clear to yourselves not to me not to god but to yourselves that you did NOT read into the meaning of that example. therefore you do not know what true faith is, not that you dont want it, but you simple dont know what it is.
again i say it, the quran is a not a book to be easily abused, in saying that,AND AS ALLAH MY WITNESS the 2 verses are NOT from the quran they are not holy verses, you can bring me all the ayat you want as you did before unless you understand the meaning in depth of those ayat do not try to use words on me as if you know what you are talking about. i told you before and i will say it again, the quran is structured in perfection every word in its every place is structured to perfection and in order to understand quran you must go into depth of undertanding it, im not saying its hard, but as long as you are depending on dictionaries and translations you will never undertand quran, and most likely you probably understood nothing from what i have just said, you will reply very quickly not thinking for a moment of the meaning , im not just typing i am a human behind this screen with feelings of sadness for those who dont understand and in hopes that even one word i say might make sense to them, then i know i have done well, but i will never know.Salam,
Anna, I agree with Belalhammad. What you said above has absolutely nothing to do with deleting verses. And there is absolutely NO excuse for deleting from Allah's words.
See http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16727.0
Salam,
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Salam Anna,,
my dear belal, they were never part of the quran to say they were deleted..........you know what is the greatest teacher in the world after quran? LIFE experience,so please i dont want to waste my time writing or printing, when you read my posts, read it and understand the meaning of it with out me having to write a whole essay. a few words, simple and clear, my dear you can beleive whatever you want im not here to convince anyone of anything, i am simply stating what i beleive and what i have learned from god and his book in the past 5 years, i have never understood the quran before and all of sudden i started understanding the meaning without any help from translations and dictionaries i simply trusted in god, and that my dear friend is how you undertsand quran, you must have faith, true faith, do you know what true faith is, ill give you an example.......
you are standing on the road, a car is coming at you at 80 miles an hour, you are standing in the face of that car, but your body doesnt even twitch, you know from your faith, god will stop the car dead in its place before it touches you,but that car is coming at a speed and getting closer and closer, but still your body does not move, the blood is rushing inside of you but your faith will keep you standing. THAT my friend is real faith, now i know, that that wont happen because people dont have enough faith but that is the highest level of faith.
now when you read that example did you laugh inside while you are reading it and said thats crazy nobody would do that, of course the car will run me over.........only god and you knows what you thought of that example. BUT for everyone that read it and DOES think that, you have made it clear to yourselves not to me not to god but to yourselves that you did NOT read into the meaning of that example. therefore you do not know what true faith is, not that you dont want it, but you simple dont know what it is.
again i say it, the quran is a not a book to be easily abused, in saying that,AND AS ALLAH MY WITNESS the 2 verses are NOT from the quran they are not holy verses, you can bring me all the ayat you want as you did before unless you understand the meaning in depth of those ayat do not try to use words on me as if you know what you are talking about. i told you before and i will say it again, the quran is structured in perfection every word in its every place is structured to perfection and in order to understand quran you must go into depth of undertanding it, im not saying its hard, but as long as you are depending on dictionaries and translations you will never undertand quran, and most likely you probably understood nothing from what i have just said, you will reply very quickly not thinking for a moment of the meaning , im not just typing i am a human behind this screen with feelings of sadness for those who dont understand and in hopes that even one word i say might make sense to them, then i know i have done well, but i will never know.When you first came to Free-minds.org, we, or maybe just me, had no idea, and you certainly gave no clue, that you were a hard core 19er!
Peace!
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Salam Anna,,
When you first came to Free-minds.org, we, or maybe just me, had no idea, and you certainly gave no clue, that you were a hard core 19er!
Peace!
http//www.nmsr.org/code19.htm !
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Salam Anna,,
When you first came to Free-minds.org, we, or maybe just me, had no idea, and you certainly gave no clue, that you were a hard core 19er!
Peace!
salam,
i am what i say i am. I AM A TRUE QURAN ALONE in the whole sense of the meaning, yes i did come to the messege through submission and yes i beleive in the 19, i have always been a muslima sunna and the quran has always been there but why did i never understand it, becuase i never had the tools to understand it, my intentions were good but never the less i had the wrong tools, after reading into the site of submission. i understood what the tool is and i applied i, sure enough with time it worked i started understanding quran.as for # 19 its merely a tool for those of today who are living in the technological world who may need proof to beleive in the quran as gods word. now it might not apply to everyone god gives the gift of faith and knowledge to who ever he wishes, and in many ways but we cant deny that what rashad khalifa discovered was of signifance otherwise he would not have been the talk of the town or had ppl writing about his discovery.and i through my learning of the quran depending on god alone to teach me i have found with time that yes #19 is a miracle and yes the verses are not quran material. even if #19 did not show that these are not part of the quran with the understanding of the quran and how it works, with time one will know, hte #19 just brought it to our attention faster.
i am not better then anyone here, i am merely a human being a nothing in this world and i like many here did not know arabic, yes i came from an arabic background but i taught myself beginning with the alphabet. so if i can do it anyone can