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    Bahman
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    6236 6555 12791 = 19 x 328245026989

    Peace

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      belH
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      Peace Belal,

      How was I rude for simply and objectively correcting him and giving him good advice that I follow myself?

      Would you say that your reply was Gentle?

      I didn't I call him Rude or Arrogant while giving him advice about how he should be nice. )

      If I offended you, please forgive me yes

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        belH
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        Peace all
        The following are the Arabic Letters

        The red letters are the ones that we use "H" when refering to them.

        Please note that we read from Right to Left.

        To know the sound of the two letters, or any other arabic letter, please use the following link (point the mose in any letter, and the sound will activate)

        http//st-takla.org/Learn_Languages/01_Learn_Arabic-ta3leem-3araby/Learn-Arabic_01-Alphabet_El-Abgadeya.html

        And this is the main link, where you can find fun arabic lessons

        http//st-takla.org/Learn_Languages/01_Learn_Arabic-ta3leem-3araby/Learn-Arabic_00-index_El-Fehres.html

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          Bahman
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          Are you sure it was not Ja "Jeemy ? and Ha "hota "?
          Then yes, ha Allah

          Sorry short memory you are right using Hota value =8 or call Jeemy when is same as Jeem without dot inside the curve. the other one and GV =5 like in Allah = 66
          Thsi is my vision for Arabic letters specially NUN with dot reminding me Monn curve with star.
          Peace.

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            Bahman
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            Are you sure it was not Ja "Jeemy ? and Ha "hota "?
            Then yes, ha Allah

            Now I remeber where I got Hota for Ha Jemmy . I was 8 years old (63 years ago )) My father has grocery store and had 3 workers. When he was going to shopping for business iwas in charge to write neame and amount of merchandize sold to poeple with credit. He was using ABJAD for bookkeeping and I di not know that, then I write with Arabic numbers.on apiec of paper. . then when he was back he was changing it to Abjad . He was trying to teach me Abjad and then he was telling me Abjad 1234 Hovaz ( allah H) 567 Hota 8910( Hosaain H ) and wriiten with TA
            .......
            20 30 40
            abjad hawwaz h.ut.t.i kalaman sa`fas.

            ?/ ' 1 h 5 h. 8 k 20 s 60
            b 2 w/v/? 6 t. 9 l 30 ` 70
            j 3 z 7 y/? 10 m 40 f 80
            d 4 n 50 s. 90

            qarashat thakhidh d.az.agh

            q 100 th 500 d. 800
            r 200 kh 600 z. 900
            sh 300 dh 700 gh 1000
            t 400
            http//bahai-library.org/essays/abjad.html
            peace

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              Bahman
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              http//bahai-library.org/essays/abjad.html

              Peace Idid not know that is refering to Bahaian and used only information for babjad . No clear proof no messenger plus you have to be Shai first accept 11 ima )ms before the 12th one. . )
              Peace.

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                anna
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                Peace all
                The following are the Arabic Letters

                salam,
                did you know that the order of the arabic alphabet today is not as it was long ago, my ex-husband was taught in syria, used to say the alphabet in a strange order,years later when i learned about the lettering and there numbers on submission. sure enough it is the same order as he was taught. i beleive they still teach it that way in syria.

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                  salam,
                  did you know that the order of the arabic alphabet today is not as it was long ago, my ex-husband was taught in syria, used to say the alphabet in a strange order,years later when i learned about the lettering and there numbers on submission. sure enough it is the same order as he was taught. i beleive they still teach it that way in syria.

                  Salam;
                  No, I did not know; I'm wondering, why would they do that?
                  Peace

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                    anna
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                    Salam;
                    No, I did not know; I'm wondering, why would they do that?
                    Peace

                    salam,
                    i dont know why, on submission they have them in order of there number value, they start from #1 and of course go up, and each letter has a value, but why is it taught that way in syria and in that very order, maybe that was the system they used in the old days, who knows, but i found it very interesting.

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                      salam,
                      i dont know why, on submission they have them in order of there number value, they start from #1 and of course go up, and each letter has a value, but why is it taught that way in syria and in that very order, maybe that was the system they used in the old days, who knows, but i found it very interesting.

                      That is called abjad and mostly followed by shia

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                        That is called abjad and mostly followed by shia

                        that is very interesting.....................dam im good,(long story) sub7an allah

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                          that is very interesting.....................dam im good,(long story) sub7an allah

                          ABJAD
                          THE NUMERICAL VALUE OF ARABIC LETTERS

                          ARABIC LETTER
                          VALUE
                          ARABIC LETTER
                          ALIF
                          1

                          BA
                          2

                          JEEM
                          3

                          DAL
                          4

                          HA
                          5

                          WAW
                          6

                          ZA
                          7

                          HAY
                          8

                          TOIN
                          9

                          YA
                          10

                          KAAF
                          20

                          LAAM
                          30

                          MEEM
                          40

                          NOON
                          50

                          SEEN
                          60

                          AYN
                          70

                          FA
                          80

                          SAAD
                          90

                          QAF
                          100

                          RA
                          200

                          SHEEN
                          300

                          TA
                          400

                          SA
                          500

                          KHA
                          600

                          ZAL
                          700

                          DHWAD
                          800

                          ZOIN
                          900

                          GHAYN
                          1000

                          I learned that long before and i knew there use also .

                          jedi

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                            TOIN
                            9

                            confused confused confused

                            before?..........when exactley?and where from? do you mind sharing, its really important for my own studies

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                              afridi220
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                              confused confused confused

                              before?..........when exactley?and where from? do you mind sharing, its really important for my own studies

                              that is tua value 9

                              i had lots of books which i destroyed long before

                              ok check this site

                              http//www.meem.freeuk.com/Abjad.html

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                                belH
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                                Peace anna
                                I'm still waiting for your reply to my last post (I would love to hear your opinion)

                                Okay; but do ot ignore the Fact that God used the word 7aleem, which is one of his names, to discribe Abrahem.

                                Now, I will give you some more examples

                                Example one shows how people use one of God's name (God's Title) to discribe Human

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                                Said the Chiefs of the people of Pharaoh "This is indeed a sorcerer well-versed. (7-109)

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                                And bring up to thee all (our) sorcerers well-versed." (7-112)

                                Example two shows how God used his name (God's Title) to discribe people

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                                So he began (the search) with their baggage, before (he came to) the baggage of his brother at length He brought it out of his brother's baggage. Thus did We plan for Joseph. He could not take his brother by the law of the king except that Allah willed it (so). We raise to degrees (of wisdom) whom We please but over all endued with knowledge is One more knowledgable. (12-76)

                                Example Three shows Angels useing God's Name (God's Title) to discribe a Human (Issac)

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                                They said "Fear not! We give thee glad tidings of a son endowed with wisdom." (15-53)

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                                (When they did not eat), He conceived a fear of them. They said "Fear not" and they gave him glad tidings of a son endowed with knowledge. (51-2

                                Example four shows a Messanger of God using two names of God (God's Titles) to discribe himself

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                                (Joseph) said "Set me over the storehouses of the land I ?m a keeper and Knowledgeable" (12-55)

                                Thus, 9-128 is not different than any of the above example.

                                Peace

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                                  Peace anna
                                  I'm still waiting for your reply to my last post (I would love to hear your opinion)

                                  salam,
                                  my dear i already told you im not going to post anymore,but i will this last time, the quran has a special language, it is understood by those truthful to god,
                                  yes those words that you showed me if used in SPECIFEC way , would be in use for god, but in the way they are set up in these verses they are not,i told you and any arab would confirm and i have even tested it on other forums,
                                  whenever you use the words ghaforoon ra7eem it automatically means god, there is zero doubt in that. and everyone i have asked even non arabs but muslim they say it refers to god, mind you i am not waiting for anyone to confirm it for me, l7amdillah i am well guided and who best to guide then allah himself.

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                                    salam,
                                    my dear i already told you im not going to post anymore,but i will this last time, the quran has a special language, it is understood by those truthful to god,
                                    yes those words that you showed me if used in SPECIFEC way , would be in use for god, but in the way they are set up in these verses they are not,i told you and any arab would confirm and i have even tested it on other forums,
                                    whenever you use the words ghaforoon ra7eem it automatically means god, there is zero doubt in that. and everyone i have asked even non arabs but muslim they say it refers to god, mind you i am not waiting for anyone to confirm it for me, l7amdillah i am well guided and who best to guide then allah himself.

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                                    Anna, I see that Yousuf called himself Two Names that are well known names of God. OPEN YOUR EYES to the Truth.

                                    Peace

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                                      (&#1637

                                      (&#65279

                                      Anna, I see that Yousuf called himself Two Names that are well known names of God. OPEN YOUR EYES to the Truth.

                                      Peace

                                      Human Forgiveness in Islam
                                      Just as it is important to believe in the mercy and forgiveness of Allah, it is also necessary to base human relations on forgiveness. We cannot expect Allah?s forgiveness unless we also forgive those who do wrong to us. Forgiving each other, even forgiving one?s enemies is one of the most important Islamic teaching. In the Qur?an Allah has described the Believers as ?those who avoid major sins and acts of indecencies and when they are angry they forgive.? (4237) Later in the same S?rah Allah says, ?The reward of the evil is the evil thereof, but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is upon Allah.? (al-Shura 4240)
                                      ??. But if you pardon and exonerate and forgive, Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful.? (Qur?an, 64 14)

                                      ?? They should rather pardon and overlook. Would you not love Allah to forgive you? Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful.? (Qur?an, 2422)
                                      But if someone is steadfast and forgives, that is the most resolute course to follow.? (Qur?an, 4243) For that reason, believers are forgiving, compassionate and tolerant people who, as revealed in the Qur?an, ?control their rage and pardon other people.? (Qur?an, 3134)

                                      jedi

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                                        (&#1637

                                        (&#65279

                                        Anna, I see that Yousuf called himself Two Names that are well known names of God. OPEN YOUR EYES to the Truth.

                                        Peace

                                        ok as you wish in your heart
                                        my heart tells me otherwise and i will not accept anyone other then god being called ra2ofon ra7eem, and by the way the meaning of that aya is that usif is telling them he is trust worthy. how is that being given gods title
                                        please the quran is very delicate and very easily abused
                                        one must beware because god does not take lightley to those who abuse it.

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                                          belH
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                                          one must beware because god does not take lightley to those who abuse it.

                                          What can be more abusing that deleting Two Quranic verses brickwall

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