Oral Debate between Ayman and Edip...
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Instead of counting verses and stuff, you should spend more time learning that the "h" in Ibrahim is an entirely different Arabic letter to the English "h" in rahim.
Why do you have to be so rude when correcting somebody?
If you want to speak for God Religion, you have to be nice and humble, otherwise you are misrepresenting God's religion; and trust me, God does not like who speak and represent his religion to be Rude or Arrogant.(
It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them. Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted they would have broken away from about thee; so pass over (their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then when thou hast taken a decision, put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him). (3-159))
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Peace Belal,
Why do you have to be so rude when correcting somebody?
If you want to speak for God Religion, you have to be nice and humble, otherwise you are misrepresenting God's religion; and trust me, God does not like who speak and represent his religion to be Rude or Arrogant.(
It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them. Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted they would have broken away from about thee; so pass over (their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then when thou hast taken a decision, put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him). (3-159)
)How was I rude for simply and objectively correcting him and giving him good advice that I follow myself? I didn't I call him Rude or Arrogant while giving him advice about how he should be nice. )
Peace,
Ayman
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Ibrahim (rahim 5 Arabic letters; plus the letter "h " is as in "he"
Rahim (Rahim 4 Arabic letters; the letter "h " has no equivalent in the English language)
Ssy what??? In your first rendition, you infer that "h" is as in "he" but in your second etymology you state that "h" has no equivalent in English language. Am I misunderstanding you here or are you confusing the two? Perhaps I am confused between one "h" and another "h"? -
Ssy what??? In your first rendition, you infer that "h" is as in "he" but in your second etymology you state that "h" has no equivalent in English language. Am I misunderstanding you here or are you confusing the two? Perhaps I am confused between one "h" and another "h"?
Forget about the "written". Concentrate on the two red shapes these are the two different letters I am referring to as "h as in he" and "h without equivalence". How do you want me to write the latter if it has no equivalence?
How can I show you how it is pronounced? hmmm
Do you know the difference between the pronunciation of the "h" in (Ibrahim) and the "h" in (Muhammad)? If you do, then this is the differene between the "h" in Ibrahim and the "h" in Rahim. If you don't....well, sorry I can't help you -
Ibrahim (rahim 5 Arabic letters; plus the letter "h " is as in "he"
Rahim (Rahim 4 Arabic letters; the letter "h " has no equivalent in the English language)Peace Ayman
You are right.
More than half century ago in HS I had no choice unless to learn Arabic Grammar . Farsi is using 28 Arabic letters plus few more .
Yet I remember was called Ha ?Jeemy? and Ha Hota. I can not remember what meant by Hota but I say Ha Allah.
I wonder how these people post so many Arabic text and yet they do not know simple thing like that. ?
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Peace Belal,
How was I rude for simply and objectively correcting him and giving him good advice that I follow myself?
Would you say that your reply was Gentle?
I didn't I call him Rude or Arrogant while giving him advice about how he should be nice. )
If I offended you, please forgive me yes
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Peace all
The following are the Arabic LettersThe red letters are the ones that we use "H" when refering to them.
Please note that we read from Right to Left.
To know the sound of the two letters, or any other arabic letter, please use the following link (point the mose in any letter, and the sound will activate)
http//st-takla.org/Learn_Languages/01_Learn_Arabic-ta3leem-3araby/Learn-Arabic_01-Alphabet_El-Abgadeya.html
And this is the main link, where you can find fun arabic lessons
http//st-takla.org/Learn_Languages/01_Learn_Arabic-ta3leem-3araby/Learn-Arabic_00-index_El-Fehres.html
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Are you sure it was not Ja "Jeemy ? and Ha "hota "?
Then yes, ha AllahSorry short memory you are right using Hota value =8 or call Jeemy when is same as Jeem without dot inside the curve. the other one and GV =5 like in Allah = 66
Thsi is my vision for Arabic letters specially NUN with dot reminding me Monn curve with star.
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Are you sure it was not Ja "Jeemy ? and Ha "hota "?
Then yes, ha AllahNow I remeber where I got Hota for Ha Jemmy . I was 8 years old (63 years ago )) My father has grocery store and had 3 workers. When he was going to shopping for business iwas in charge to write neame and amount of merchandize sold to poeple with credit. He was using ABJAD for bookkeeping and I di not know that, then I write with Arabic numbers.on apiec of paper. . then when he was back he was changing it to Abjad . He was trying to teach me Abjad and then he was telling me Abjad 1234 Hovaz ( allah H) 567 Hota 8910( Hosaain H ) and wriiten with TA
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20 30 40
abjad hawwaz h.ut.t.i kalaman sa`fas.?/ ' 1 h 5 h. 8 k 20 s 60
b 2 w/v/? 6 t. 9 l 30 ` 70
j 3 z 7 y/? 10 m 40 f 80
d 4 n 50 s. 90qarashat thakhidh d.az.agh
q 100 th 500 d. 800
r 200 kh 600 z. 900
sh 300 dh 700 gh 1000
t 400
http//bahai-library.org/essays/abjad.html
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Peace all
The following are the Arabic Letterssalam,
did you know that the order of the arabic alphabet today is not as it was long ago, my ex-husband was taught in syria, used to say the alphabet in a strange order,years later when i learned about the lettering and there numbers on submission. sure enough it is the same order as he was taught. i beleive they still teach it that way in syria. -
salam,
did you know that the order of the arabic alphabet today is not as it was long ago, my ex-husband was taught in syria, used to say the alphabet in a strange order,years later when i learned about the lettering and there numbers on submission. sure enough it is the same order as he was taught. i beleive they still teach it that way in syria.Salam;
No, I did not know; I'm wondering, why would they do that?
Peace -
Salam;
No, I did not know; I'm wondering, why would they do that?
Peacesalam,
i dont know why, on submission they have them in order of there number value, they start from #1 and of course go up, and each letter has a value, but why is it taught that way in syria and in that very order, maybe that was the system they used in the old days, who knows, but i found it very interesting. -
salam,
i dont know why, on submission they have them in order of there number value, they start from #1 and of course go up, and each letter has a value, but why is it taught that way in syria and in that very order, maybe that was the system they used in the old days, who knows, but i found it very interesting.That is called abjad and mostly followed by shia
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that is very interesting.....................dam im good,(long story) sub7an allah
ABJAD
THE NUMERICAL VALUE OF ARABIC LETTERSARABIC LETTER
VALUE
ARABIC LETTER
ALIF
1BA
2JEEM
3DAL
4HA
5WAW
6ZA
7HAY
8TOIN
9YA
10KAAF
20LAAM
30MEEM
40NOON
50SEEN
60AYN
70FA
80SAAD
90QAF
100RA
200SHEEN
300TA
400SA
500KHA
600ZAL
700DHWAD
800ZOIN
900GHAYN
1000I learned that long before and i knew there use also .
jedi