Oral Debate between Ayman and Edip...
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Ssy what??? In your first rendition, you infer that "h" is as in "he" but in your second etymology you state that "h" has no equivalent in English language. Am I misunderstanding you here or are you confusing the two? Perhaps I am confused between one "h" and another "h"?
Forget about the "written". Concentrate on the two red shapes these are the two different letters I am referring to as "h as in he" and "h without equivalence". How do you want me to write the latter if it has no equivalence?
How can I show you how it is pronounced? hmmm
Do you know the difference between the pronunciation of the "h" in (Ibrahim) and the "h" in (Muhammad)? If you do, then this is the differene between the "h" in Ibrahim and the "h" in Rahim. If you don't....well, sorry I can't help you -
Ibrahim (rahim 5 Arabic letters; plus the letter "h " is as in "he"
Rahim (Rahim 4 Arabic letters; the letter "h " has no equivalent in the English language)Peace Ayman
You are right.
More than half century ago in HS I had no choice unless to learn Arabic Grammar . Farsi is using 28 Arabic letters plus few more .
Yet I remember was called Ha ?Jeemy? and Ha Hota. I can not remember what meant by Hota but I say Ha Allah.
I wonder how these people post so many Arabic text and yet they do not know simple thing like that. ?
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Peace Belal,
How was I rude for simply and objectively correcting him and giving him good advice that I follow myself?
Would you say that your reply was Gentle?
I didn't I call him Rude or Arrogant while giving him advice about how he should be nice. )
If I offended you, please forgive me yes
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Peace all
The following are the Arabic LettersThe red letters are the ones that we use "H" when refering to them.
Please note that we read from Right to Left.
To know the sound of the two letters, or any other arabic letter, please use the following link (point the mose in any letter, and the sound will activate)
http//st-takla.org/Learn_Languages/01_Learn_Arabic-ta3leem-3araby/Learn-Arabic_01-Alphabet_El-Abgadeya.html
And this is the main link, where you can find fun arabic lessons
http//st-takla.org/Learn_Languages/01_Learn_Arabic-ta3leem-3araby/Learn-Arabic_00-index_El-Fehres.html
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Are you sure it was not Ja "Jeemy ? and Ha "hota "?
Then yes, ha AllahSorry short memory you are right using Hota value =8 or call Jeemy when is same as Jeem without dot inside the curve. the other one and GV =5 like in Allah = 66
Thsi is my vision for Arabic letters specially NUN with dot reminding me Monn curve with star.
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Are you sure it was not Ja "Jeemy ? and Ha "hota "?
Then yes, ha AllahNow I remeber where I got Hota for Ha Jemmy . I was 8 years old (63 years ago )) My father has grocery store and had 3 workers. When he was going to shopping for business iwas in charge to write neame and amount of merchandize sold to poeple with credit. He was using ABJAD for bookkeeping and I di not know that, then I write with Arabic numbers.on apiec of paper. . then when he was back he was changing it to Abjad . He was trying to teach me Abjad and then he was telling me Abjad 1234 Hovaz ( allah H) 567 Hota 8910( Hosaain H ) and wriiten with TA
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20 30 40
abjad hawwaz h.ut.t.i kalaman sa`fas.?/ ' 1 h 5 h. 8 k 20 s 60
b 2 w/v/? 6 t. 9 l 30 ` 70
j 3 z 7 y/? 10 m 40 f 80
d 4 n 50 s. 90qarashat thakhidh d.az.agh
q 100 th 500 d. 800
r 200 kh 600 z. 900
sh 300 dh 700 gh 1000
t 400
http//bahai-library.org/essays/abjad.html
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Peace all
The following are the Arabic Letterssalam,
did you know that the order of the arabic alphabet today is not as it was long ago, my ex-husband was taught in syria, used to say the alphabet in a strange order,years later when i learned about the lettering and there numbers on submission. sure enough it is the same order as he was taught. i beleive they still teach it that way in syria. -
salam,
did you know that the order of the arabic alphabet today is not as it was long ago, my ex-husband was taught in syria, used to say the alphabet in a strange order,years later when i learned about the lettering and there numbers on submission. sure enough it is the same order as he was taught. i beleive they still teach it that way in syria.Salam;
No, I did not know; I'm wondering, why would they do that?
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Salam;
No, I did not know; I'm wondering, why would they do that?
Peacesalam,
i dont know why, on submission they have them in order of there number value, they start from #1 and of course go up, and each letter has a value, but why is it taught that way in syria and in that very order, maybe that was the system they used in the old days, who knows, but i found it very interesting. -
salam,
i dont know why, on submission they have them in order of there number value, they start from #1 and of course go up, and each letter has a value, but why is it taught that way in syria and in that very order, maybe that was the system they used in the old days, who knows, but i found it very interesting.That is called abjad and mostly followed by shia
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that is very interesting.....................dam im good,(long story) sub7an allah
ABJAD
THE NUMERICAL VALUE OF ARABIC LETTERSARABIC LETTER
VALUE
ARABIC LETTER
ALIF
1BA
2JEEM
3DAL
4HA
5WAW
6ZA
7HAY
8TOIN
9YA
10KAAF
20LAAM
30MEEM
40NOON
50SEEN
60AYN
70FA
80SAAD
90QAF
100RA
200SHEEN
300TA
400SA
500KHA
600ZAL
700DHWAD
800ZOIN
900GHAYN
1000I learned that long before and i knew there use also .
jedi
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confused confused confused
before?..........when exactley?and where from? do you mind sharing, its really important for my own studies
that is tua value 9
i had lots of books which i destroyed long before
ok check this site
http//www.meem.freeuk.com/Abjad.html
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Peace anna
I'm still waiting for your reply to my last post (I would love to hear your opinion)Okay; but do ot ignore the Fact that God used the word 7aleem, which is one of his names, to discribe Abrahem.
Now, I will give you some more examples
Example one shows how people use one of God's name (God's Title) to discribe Human
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Said the Chiefs of the people of Pharaoh "This is indeed a sorcerer well-versed. (7-109)
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And bring up to thee all (our) sorcerers well-versed." (7-112)Example two shows how God used his name (God's Title) to discribe people
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So he began (the search) with their baggage, before (he came to) the baggage of his brother at length He brought it out of his brother's baggage. Thus did We plan for Joseph. He could not take his brother by the law of the king except that Allah willed it (so). We raise to degrees (of wisdom) whom We please but over all endued with knowledge is One more knowledgable. (12-76)
Example Three shows Angels useing God's Name (God's Title) to discribe a Human (Issac)
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They said "Fear not! We give thee glad tidings of a son endowed with wisdom." (15-53)
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(When they did not eat), He conceived a fear of them. They said "Fear not" and they gave him glad tidings of a son endowed with knowledge. (51-2
Example four shows a Messanger of God using two names of God (God's Titles) to discribe himself
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(Joseph) said "Set me over the storehouses of the land I ?m a keeper and Knowledgeable" (12-55)
Thus, 9-128 is not different than any of the above example.
Peace
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Peace anna
I'm still waiting for your reply to my last post (I would love to hear your opinion)salam,
my dear i already told you im not going to post anymore,but i will this last time, the quran has a special language, it is understood by those truthful to god,
yes those words that you showed me if used in SPECIFEC way , would be in use for god, but in the way they are set up in these verses they are not,i told you and any arab would confirm and i have even tested it on other forums,
whenever you use the words ghaforoon ra7eem it automatically means god, there is zero doubt in that. and everyone i have asked even non arabs but muslim they say it refers to god, mind you i am not waiting for anyone to confirm it for me, l7amdillah i am well guided and who best to guide then allah himself.