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    Bahman
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    Ibrahim (rahim 5 Arabic letters; plus the letter "h " is as in "he&quot
    Rahim (Rahim 4 Arabic letters; the letter "h " has no equivalent in the English language)

    Peace Ayman
    You are right.
    More than half century ago in HS I had no choice unless to learn Arabic Grammar . Farsi is using 28 Arabic letters plus few more .
    Yet I remember was called Ha ?Jeemy? and Ha Hota. I can not remember what meant by Hota but I say Ha Allah.
    I wonder how these people post so many Arabic text and yet they do not know simple thing like that. ?
    Peace.

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      Bahman
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      Peace Ayman,
      Have excel to count verses

      Peace

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        Samia
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        Yet I remember was called Ha ?Jeemy" and Ha Hota. I can not remember what meant by Hota but I say Ha Allah.

        Are you sure it was not Ja "Jeemy ? and Ha "hota "?
        Then yes, ha Allah

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          Bahman
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          6236 6555 12791 = 19 x 328245026989

          Peace

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            belH
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            Peace Belal,

            How was I rude for simply and objectively correcting him and giving him good advice that I follow myself?

            Would you say that your reply was Gentle?

            I didn't I call him Rude or Arrogant while giving him advice about how he should be nice. )

            If I offended you, please forgive me yes

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              belH
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              Peace all
              The following are the Arabic Letters

              The red letters are the ones that we use "H" when refering to them.

              Please note that we read from Right to Left.

              To know the sound of the two letters, or any other arabic letter, please use the following link (point the mose in any letter, and the sound will activate)

              http//st-takla.org/Learn_Languages/01_Learn_Arabic-ta3leem-3araby/Learn-Arabic_01-Alphabet_El-Abgadeya.html

              And this is the main link, where you can find fun arabic lessons

              http//st-takla.org/Learn_Languages/01_Learn_Arabic-ta3leem-3araby/Learn-Arabic_00-index_El-Fehres.html

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                Bahman
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                Are you sure it was not Ja "Jeemy ? and Ha "hota "?
                Then yes, ha Allah

                Sorry short memory you are right using Hota value =8 or call Jeemy when is same as Jeem without dot inside the curve. the other one and GV =5 like in Allah = 66
                Thsi is my vision for Arabic letters specially NUN with dot reminding me Monn curve with star.
                Peace.

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                  Bahman
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                  Are you sure it was not Ja "Jeemy ? and Ha "hota "?
                  Then yes, ha Allah

                  Now I remeber where I got Hota for Ha Jemmy . I was 8 years old (63 years ago )) My father has grocery store and had 3 workers. When he was going to shopping for business iwas in charge to write neame and amount of merchandize sold to poeple with credit. He was using ABJAD for bookkeeping and I di not know that, then I write with Arabic numbers.on apiec of paper. . then when he was back he was changing it to Abjad . He was trying to teach me Abjad and then he was telling me Abjad 1234 Hovaz ( allah H) 567 Hota 8910( Hosaain H ) and wriiten with TA
                  .......
                  20 30 40
                  abjad hawwaz h.ut.t.i kalaman sa`fas.

                  ?/ ' 1 h 5 h. 8 k 20 s 60
                  b 2 w/v/? 6 t. 9 l 30 ` 70
                  j 3 z 7 y/? 10 m 40 f 80
                  d 4 n 50 s. 90

                  qarashat thakhidh d.az.agh

                  q 100 th 500 d. 800
                  r 200 kh 600 z. 900
                  sh 300 dh 700 gh 1000
                  t 400
                  http//bahai-library.org/essays/abjad.html
                  peace

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                    Bahman
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                    http//bahai-library.org/essays/abjad.html

                    Peace Idid not know that is refering to Bahaian and used only information for babjad . No clear proof no messenger plus you have to be Shai first accept 11 ima )ms before the 12th one. . )
                    Peace.

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                      Peace all
                      The following are the Arabic Letters

                      salam,
                      did you know that the order of the arabic alphabet today is not as it was long ago, my ex-husband was taught in syria, used to say the alphabet in a strange order,years later when i learned about the lettering and there numbers on submission. sure enough it is the same order as he was taught. i beleive they still teach it that way in syria.

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                        belH
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                        salam,
                        did you know that the order of the arabic alphabet today is not as it was long ago, my ex-husband was taught in syria, used to say the alphabet in a strange order,years later when i learned about the lettering and there numbers on submission. sure enough it is the same order as he was taught. i beleive they still teach it that way in syria.

                        Salam;
                        No, I did not know; I'm wondering, why would they do that?
                        Peace

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                          anna
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                          Salam;
                          No, I did not know; I'm wondering, why would they do that?
                          Peace

                          salam,
                          i dont know why, on submission they have them in order of there number value, they start from #1 and of course go up, and each letter has a value, but why is it taught that way in syria and in that very order, maybe that was the system they used in the old days, who knows, but i found it very interesting.

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                            afridi220
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                            salam,
                            i dont know why, on submission they have them in order of there number value, they start from #1 and of course go up, and each letter has a value, but why is it taught that way in syria and in that very order, maybe that was the system they used in the old days, who knows, but i found it very interesting.

                            That is called abjad and mostly followed by shia

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                              anna
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                              That is called abjad and mostly followed by shia

                              that is very interesting.....................dam im good,(long story) sub7an allah

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                                afridi220
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                                that is very interesting.....................dam im good,(long story) sub7an allah

                                ABJAD
                                THE NUMERICAL VALUE OF ARABIC LETTERS

                                ARABIC LETTER
                                VALUE
                                ARABIC LETTER
                                ALIF
                                1

                                BA
                                2

                                JEEM
                                3

                                DAL
                                4

                                HA
                                5

                                WAW
                                6

                                ZA
                                7

                                HAY
                                8

                                TOIN
                                9

                                YA
                                10

                                KAAF
                                20

                                LAAM
                                30

                                MEEM
                                40

                                NOON
                                50

                                SEEN
                                60

                                AYN
                                70

                                FA
                                80

                                SAAD
                                90

                                QAF
                                100

                                RA
                                200

                                SHEEN
                                300

                                TA
                                400

                                SA
                                500

                                KHA
                                600

                                ZAL
                                700

                                DHWAD
                                800

                                ZOIN
                                900

                                GHAYN
                                1000

                                I learned that long before and i knew there use also .

                                jedi

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                                  anna
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                                  TOIN
                                  9

                                  confused confused confused

                                  before?..........when exactley?and where from? do you mind sharing, its really important for my own studies

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                                    afridi220
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                                    confused confused confused

                                    before?..........when exactley?and where from? do you mind sharing, its really important for my own studies

                                    that is tua value 9

                                    i had lots of books which i destroyed long before

                                    ok check this site

                                    http//www.meem.freeuk.com/Abjad.html

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                                      belH
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                                      Peace anna
                                      I'm still waiting for your reply to my last post (I would love to hear your opinion)

                                      Okay; but do ot ignore the Fact that God used the word 7aleem, which is one of his names, to discribe Abrahem.

                                      Now, I will give you some more examples

                                      Example one shows how people use one of God's name (God's Title) to discribe Human

                                      (&#1641

                                      Said the Chiefs of the people of Pharaoh "This is indeed a sorcerer well-versed. (7-109)

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                                      And bring up to thee all (our) sorcerers well-versed." (7-112)

                                      Example two shows how God used his name (God's Title) to discribe people

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                                      So he began (the search) with their baggage, before (he came to) the baggage of his brother at length He brought it out of his brother's baggage. Thus did We plan for Joseph. He could not take his brother by the law of the king except that Allah willed it (so). We raise to degrees (of wisdom) whom We please but over all endued with knowledge is One more knowledgable. (12-76)

                                      Example Three shows Angels useing God's Name (God's Title) to discribe a Human (Issac)

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                                      They said "Fear not! We give thee glad tidings of a son endowed with wisdom." (15-53)

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                                      (When they did not eat), He conceived a fear of them. They said "Fear not" and they gave him glad tidings of a son endowed with knowledge. (51-2

                                      Example four shows a Messanger of God using two names of God (God's Titles) to discribe himself

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                                      (Joseph) said "Set me over the storehouses of the land I ?m a keeper and Knowledgeable" (12-55)

                                      Thus, 9-128 is not different than any of the above example.

                                      Peace

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                                        Peace anna
                                        I'm still waiting for your reply to my last post (I would love to hear your opinion)

                                        salam,
                                        my dear i already told you im not going to post anymore,but i will this last time, the quran has a special language, it is understood by those truthful to god,
                                        yes those words that you showed me if used in SPECIFEC way , would be in use for god, but in the way they are set up in these verses they are not,i told you and any arab would confirm and i have even tested it on other forums,
                                        whenever you use the words ghaforoon ra7eem it automatically means god, there is zero doubt in that. and everyone i have asked even non arabs but muslim they say it refers to god, mind you i am not waiting for anyone to confirm it for me, l7amdillah i am well guided and who best to guide then allah himself.

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                                          belH
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                                          salam,
                                          my dear i already told you im not going to post anymore,but i will this last time, the quran has a special language, it is understood by those truthful to god,
                                          yes those words that you showed me if used in SPECIFEC way , would be in use for god, but in the way they are set up in these verses they are not,i told you and any arab would confirm and i have even tested it on other forums,
                                          whenever you use the words ghaforoon ra7eem it automatically means god, there is zero doubt in that. and everyone i have asked even non arabs but muslim they say it refers to god, mind you i am not waiting for anyone to confirm it for me, l7amdillah i am well guided and who best to guide then allah himself.

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                                          Anna, I see that Yousuf called himself Two Names that are well known names of God. OPEN YOUR EYES to the Truth.

                                          Peace

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