What is the difference between "Nissa, Amraat and Azwaj"
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I?DRIBU-HUNNA (Passive Imperfect, Feminine verb) "TO NEGLECT, IGNORE, AVOID, TURN AWAY FROM STRIFE, DISCORD, ANIMOSITY BETWEEN OR AMONG PEOPLE" ;Lanes Lexicon PAGE 1779 Left Column & 1780 Middle Column Part 5
Does not mean 'hit', cease believing women can be abused.
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wives are given "ujuur payment" not "sadaqa charity".
Translation of ujuur as payment is too crude and is relevant only to a debauch who makes payment to a 'hired worman'. The manner of discharging the agreed liability at the time of Nikkah is to give them in the manner of sadaqotehinna. Word charity does not portray the concept of sadaqa in the true sense.
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This is morphology (sarf) not grammar.
Of the 58 places can you explain the following
44 Where in the qur'aan do we find the "sadaqa" be given to women? Who is addressed in this verse? Is it for men only?
4127 The verse further explains what "nisaa" is composed of.
4911 Aren't nisaa' included in "qawm" already?
361 "ta3aluu" doesn't this verbal noun include women ? Why are "nisaa'" mentioned again?
2431 Who can be "nisaa'uhunna"? Who is "my woman"?
434 Is this a command or a statement that "men are qawwamuuna ala women"? Which men?Peace Samia,
According to 9.60 sadaqa is given to
- The poor
- The needy
- Those who work to collect the sadaqa
- To free the slaves
- Those in depth
- In the cause of God
- The wayfarer
According to 4.127 nisaa? is composed of the following
- orphan?s mothers - yatama Nisaa?
- weak from the children - mustadafina min al-wildan
- orphans ? yatama
So the above three categories of nisaa? are given sadaqa (charity). On the other hand the women are given ujuur (payment).
49.11 The women are included in qawm. The nisaa? of verse 4.127 are not included in qawm. They are named separately as nisaa?. Men and women can be qawwam. Men and women can be part of the three catagories of nisaa? explained in 4.127.
3.61 The verbal noun ?ta3aluu? includes women and men. Nisaa? in this verse are the grand children including males and females. ?Abnaina and abnaiqum? are ?our children and your children including males and females?
24.31 Nisaa?uhunna in this verse is the same nisaa? as in verse 3.61
4.34 Is not a command or a statement that "men are qawwamuuna ala women". The ones (male or female)work, earn money, and spend it on the ones stay back at home (male or female) are named Rijal.
The ones who stay back at home (male or female) are called nisaa?Please correct me if I am mistaken
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Peace Samia,
According to 9.60 sadaqa is given to
- The poor
- The needy
- Those who work to collect the sadaqa
- To free the slaves
- Those in depth
- In the cause of God
- The wayfarer
According to 4.127 nisaa? is composed of the following
- orphan?s mothers - yatama Nisaa?
- weak from the children - mustadafina min al-wildan
- orphans ? yatama
So the above three categories of nisaa? are given sadaqa (charity). On the other hand the women are given ujuur (payment).
49.11 The women are included in qawm. The nisaa? of verse 4.127 are not included in qawm. They are named separately as nisaa?. Men and women can be qawwam. Men and women can be part of the three catagories of nisaa? explained in 4.127.
3.61 The verbal noun ?ta3aluu? includes women and men. Nisaa? in this verse are the grand children including males and females. ?Abnaina and abnaiqum? are ?our children and your children including males and females?
24.31 Nisaa?uhunna in this verse is the same nisaa? as in verse 3.61
4.34 Is not a command or a statement that "men are qawwamuuna ala women". The ones (male or female)work, earn money, and spend it on the ones stay back at home (male or female) are named Rijal.
The ones who stay back at home (male or female) are called nisaa?Please correct me if I am mistaken
Salaam Tlepsh
You are not at all mistaken. This is exactly how I undersatnd these verses.
If you read the whole thread, you will see that my post was directed to Mahar who sees that the term "nisaa'" ALWAYS mean women. -
Translation of ujuur as payment is too crude and is relevant only to a debauch who makes payment to a 'hired worman'. The manner of discharging the agreed liability at the time of Nikkah is to give them in the manner of sadaqotehinna. Word charity does not portray the concept of sadaqa in the true sense.
Well, I do not know why you look at a "hired woman" in a codescending manner, unless this comes from your own understanding of "why" she is "paid" or for what she is hired. Isn't it in the qur'aan that a mother is to be paid for breast-feeding her infant? Does God even say if she does it for free it is better or more righteous?
Please searcn for the word "ajr" or its derivatives in the qur'aan to see what it means and who gives ajr and who receives it and for what it is "paid", then you may understand why wives are paid "ajr" and not "sadaqa".
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Well, I do not know why you look at a "hired woman" in a codescending manner, unless this comes from your own understanding of "why" she is "paid" or for what she is hired. Isn't it in the qur'aan that a mother is to be paid for breast-feeding her infant? Does God even say if she does it for free it is better or more righteous?
Please searcn for the word "ajr" or its derivatives in the qur'aan to see what it means and who gives ajr and who receives it and for what it is "paid", then you may understand why wives are paid "ajr" and not "sadaqa".
It is common in man's history that men seek women with their money for two purposes 180 degree opposite to each other. This necessitated
{424}make "payments" ajr to women in return to the service these women provided. pay the agreed "freezatun" in the manner.
I hope it is admitted that sadaqa is not an obligation. If it is not an obligation how those 'poor receipients' could have the right to remit part of it?
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I do not know if I have wrong lexicon or you guys have different version. Nisa's root to be Nun-Siin-Waw. Here is relavent page from Lane.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000287.pdf
If it is Nun-Siin-Alif/Ayan
Here are relavent pages,http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000039.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000040.pdfPlease tell me how come women is the obvious meaning.
Peace and love.
Badar
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I?DRIBU-HUNNA (Passive Imperfect, Feminine verb) "TO NEGLECT, IGNORE, AVOID, TURN AWAY FROM STRIFE, DISCORD, ANIMOSITY BETWEEN OR AMONG PEOPLE" ;Lanes Lexicon PAGE 1779 Left Column & 1780 Middle Column Part 5
Does not mean 'hit', cease believing women can be abused.
Are you addressing my example of multi-meaning words?
...multiple meaning best derived from context; e.g. 434 and beat them (waidriboohunna) issue.
See thread...
Hitting One's Wife.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15128.0Quran has this claim about the language of Quran
Yes already posted why Quran was descended in Arabic?
26193-196 The spirit, the faithful, descended with it; on your heart/mind to be from the warners;with a clear Arabic language and that it truly is in the first's Books
4144 And if We made it a non-Arabic Quran, they would have said "If only its verses were detailed/explained. Is (it) a non-Arabic and an Arab (messenger)?"
Btw, post verse numbers so non-Arabic readers who frequent the site may also benefit.
Peace
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Are you addressing my example of multi-meaning words?
See thread...
Hitting One's Wife.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15128.0Yes already posted why Quran was descended in Arabic?
26193-196 The spirit, the faithful, descended with it; on your heart/mind to be from the warners;with a clear Arabic language and that it truly is in the first's Books
4144 And if We made it a non-Arabic Quran, they would have said "If only its verses were detailed/explained. Is (it) a non-Arabic and an Arab (messenger)?"
Btw, post verse numbers so non-Arabic readers who frequent the site may also benefit.
Peace
@Nun...
Personally, with all due respect, I dont need to read a thread to understand what Allah is indicating in Sura 434.
Secondly, this thread is focused on word meanings.
Your welcome to address the topic of abusing women on a thread I created http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597312.0
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Salaam Tlepsh
You are not at all mistaken. This is exactly how I undersatnd these verses.
If you read the whole thread, you will see that my post was directed to Mahar who sees that the term "nisaa'" ALWAYS mean women.Salaam Samia,
Thank you sister Samia. I know your post was directed to Mazhar. I have read the whole thread. I have also read your 3232 posts in all threads of Free Minds. You shall write more and more. Thanks once again. -
Quran has this claim about the language of Quran
Yes already posted why Quran was descended in Arabic?
26193-196 The spirit, the faithful, descended with it; on your heart/mind to be from the warners;with a clear Arabic language and that it truly is in the first's Books
4144 And if We made it a non-Arabic Quran, they would have said "If only its verses were detailed/explained. Is (it) a non-Arabic and an Arab (messenger)?"
"with a clear Arabic language";"If only its verses were detailed/explained" like words only convey a cursory image of what has been said and portrayed in Arabic words. means a language that makes everything distinct, evident, segregated, diferentiated so that for the reader no confusion is left to see and perceive. But people are bent upon even removing the distinction between a male and female; but even distinguishes matter as feminine or masculine which is the reality in physical terms too and helps know and understand the relationships.
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Salaam Samia,
Thank you sister Samia. I know your post was directed to Mazhar. I have read the whole thread. I have also read your 3232 posts in all threads of Free Minds. You shall write more and more. Thanks once again.Salaam Tlepsh
I am afraid I might have sounded a bit rude by saying my post was directed to Mazhar, which was not my intention at all. I meant it was in response to Mazhar's understanding of the word nisaa', not that no other response was welcome. Sorry for my bad expression.
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Sister I requested you to explain for my knowledge about hamza issue.
Sorry for the belated reply.
You are right in believing that "nisaa'" is a possible plural of "nuun seen wau", with the wau coming at the end of the word and following an extra alif, then it will be changed into a hamza.
But if we already have this plural in (niswa), why would the language cut another plural with the same meaning? Seebawayh tried to solve this problem by stating that "niswa" is for a fewer number of women, and "nisaa'" is for many. But we know this is incorrect, since the qur'aan stated (nisaa'an more than two), which is the minimum plural.
You may like to read further about the rules of all letters changing at this linkhttp//zahra1.com/Nah_Em_7att_balagah/E-e3lall.html
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Peace Tlepsh,
Peace Samia,
According to 9.60 sadaqa is given to
- The poor
- The needy
- Those who work to collect the sadaqa
- To free the slaves
- Those in depth
- In the cause of God
- The wayfarer
According to 4.127 nisaa? is composed of the following
- orphan?s mothers - yatama Nisaa?
- weak from the children - mustadafina min al-wildan
- orphans ? yatama
So the above three categories of nisaa? are given sadaqa (charity). On the other hand the women are given ujuur (payment).
49.11 The women are included in qawm. The nisaa? of verse 4.127 are not included in qawm. They are named separately as nisaa?. Men and women can be qawwam. Men and women can be part of the three catagories of nisaa? explained in 4.127.
3.61 The verbal noun ?ta3aluu? includes women and men. Nisaa? in this verse are the grand children including males and females. ?Abnaina and abnaiqum? are ?our children and your children including males and females?
24.31 Nisaa?uhunna in this verse is the same nisaa? as in verse 3.61
4.34 Is not a command or a statement that "men are qawwamuuna ala women". The ones (male or female)work, earn money, and spend it on the ones stay back at home (male or female) are named Rijal.
The ones who stay back at home (male or female) are called nisaa?Please correct me if I am mistaken
bravo bravo
Thank you and Samia for the excellent understanding.
God bless.
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Peace Samia,
According to 9.60 sadaqa is given to
- The poor
- The needy
- Those who work to collect the sadaqa
- To free the slaves
- Those in depth
- In the cause of God
- The wayfarer
According to 4.127 nisaa? is composed of the following
- orphan?s mothers - yatama Nisaa?
- weak from the children - mustadafina min al-wildan
- orphans ? yatama
So the above three categories of nisaa? are given sadaqa (charity). On the other hand the women are given ujuur (payment).
Kindly read it critically and please tell me what is the resemblence beetween both the two? Orphans mothers who are being termed yatama Nisaa fall in what category in 7 above.
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Can any body explain the red part?
2232 When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), do not prevent them from marrying their husbands (Azwajehunna), if they mutually agree on equitable terms. This instruction is for all amongst you, who believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is (the course Making for) most virtue and purity amongst you and Allah knows, and ye know not.
Is it remarrying an ex husband?
siki