Number of wives?
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Siki, are you up for hard work? Let me be the first one to start it and analyse this word linguistically. All on this board and everywhere are insistent that it is "Azwajika". In this verse 3359 and preceeding 3350 it stands for wives of prophet. Hence, grammatically all asume it to be a noun. Does anybody on this forum differ from this conclusion?
Badar
Assalaam Alaikum Brotha Badar
Azwaji-ka means YOUR mates or spouses, the 'Ka' is a 2nd person pronoun, denoting now, present tense NOT past tense.
This ayah and word was appropriate during the time of the Prophet, but the Prophet is no longer here.
Nor is it referring to a plurality of multiple wives.
If it was referring to the Prophet it would be Azwaji-ha, which is a 3rd person reference, referring to someone or something who is NOT present or in the past. It would also be preceded by a preposition like 'ida', denoting a past tense reference.
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So in nutshell, you are saying that, this word, if it is a word. It is a combination of a noun and pronoun. That is Azwaji, a noun and Ka a pronun. Am I understanding you correctly? Is this how everybody understands it as well. Peace and love.
Badar
Yes, Your understanding is correct in regards to my observations.
How everyone else understands it, is beyond my perceptions.
As Allah states 'If you follow the majority of people on the earth, they will lead you away from the path of Allah'
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Only, one so far saying that Azwajika is a noun followed by personal pronoun. Azwaji + Ka. Is the no answer from anybody else, suggest all in agreement. If not we need some descenting opinions. Lot of friends on this forum have Arabic as their native language. Peace and love.
Badar
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Siki, are you up for hard work? Let me be the first one to start it and analyse this word linguistically. All on this board and everywhere are insistent that it is "Azwajika". In this verse 3359 and preceeding 3350 it stands for wives of prophet. Hence, grammatically all asume it to be a noun. Does anybody on this forum differ from this conclusion?
Badar
salam,
my grammer is not great, but in arabic if he were speaking of singular then he would say zawjatika.......azwajaka is plural
also the word 2ojorahoNNA which comes after the word azwajaka also implies plural form which the NNA is used for plural , if it were singular it would be 2ajriha............ in 3350 again if it were singular it would bi lizawjatika there would be no hamza or an alf infront of the L.......as in li2azwajika -
Only, one so far saying that Azwajika is a noun followed by personal pronoun. Azwaji + Ka. Is the no answer from anybody else, suggest all in agreement. If not we need some descenting opinions. Lot of friends on this forum have Arabic as their native language. Peace and love.
Badar
salam, ka is referring to femininety, not personal pronoun ZAWjataKA singular 2ZwajaKA plural
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salam, ka is referring to femininety, not personal pronoun ZAWjataKA singular 2ZwajaKA plural
i hope this helpedAssalaam Alaikum @anna
My dear Musilimah,
Is not 'ka' singular, masculine reference? 2nd person?
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Assalaam Alaikum Brotha Badar
Azwaji-ka means YOUR mates or spouses, the 'Ka' is a 2nd person pronoun,
So far so good...
denoting now, present tense NOT past tense.
A prnoun has no past or present...just as a noun. If you mean the whole sentence, then this is redundant since the verse is addressing the prophet at that time when he was alive, which we know, and are not deducing this information of "past address" from the construction of the verse.
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Is not 'ka' singular, masculine reference? 2nd person?
Ya ayyuha alrrasoolu balligh ma onzila ilayka min rabbika
567 You, you the messenger deliver what was descended to you from your LordHow many spouses/wives?
Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu lima tuharrimu ma ahalla Allahu laka tabtaghee mardata azwajika waAllahu ghafoorun raheemun
661 You, you the prophet, why you forbid what God permitted for you, you desire wives' approvals, and God (is) forgiving, merciful.Wa-ith asarra alnnabiyyu ila baAAdi azwajihi
663 And when confided the prophet to some (of) his wives...How many daughters?
1178...he said "You (my) nation those are daughters (banatee), they are purer for you...
1179 They said "You had known is not for us from right in daughters ( banatika), and that you know what we want." -
So far so good...A prnoun has no past or present...just as a noun. If you mean the whole sentence, then this is redundant since the verse is addressing the prophet at that time when he was alive, which we know, and are not deducing this information of "past address" from the construction of the verse.
In ANY language reference, a 2nd person pronoun is present tense, the person who is present, reading or listening
3rd person reference is one who is NOT present, past tense reference to others
1st person is the person doing the speaking, in present tense, who is speaking to others who are present as such they are 2nd person.
ANY person speaking in 1st person and speaks about or references others in 3rd person, who are NOT present, thus is speaking either about them or in past tense, about them.
If one takes issue, then please contact the publishers of 'Language of The Holy Quran' by Nadwi page 162
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In ANY language reference, a 2nd person pronoun is present tense, the person who is present, reading or listening
3rd person reference is one who is NOT present, past tense reference to others
1st person is the person doing the speaking, in present tense, who is speaking to others who are present as such they are 2nd person.
ANY person speaking in 1st person and speaks about or references others in 3rd person, who are NOT present, thus is speaking either about them or in past tense, about them.
If one takes issue, then please contact the publishers of 'Language of The Holy Quran' by Nadwi page 162
What you should be talking about is present versus absent; not present tense versus past tense.
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What you should be talking about is present versus absent; not present tense versus past tense.
Actually, we are attempting to develop a consensus of agreement. We are 'talking about' what needs to be talked about to develop that consensus.
At this point, it appears that we all agree as to the definitives of azawjika as it relates to Sura 33.50 and 33.59
The relevance of those ayahs is applicable to the current circumstance of the Muslim community. As such, the grammatical analysis lends itself towards the application of the instruction to the current circumstance.
Thats what we are focusing on.
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Dear friends the word that your are considering as a noun Azwaji attached with a personal pronoun Ka is not one word or combination. It is actually three words. Which are & . Peace and love. Please continue the discussion, comments and criticism will be greatly appreciated.
Badar
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Salaam,
I have voted for "as one as one can manage" and remember that managing means, be there for her as her husband in all walks of life, supporting her financially and sexually as well as companionably, strong enough to provide for her needs....any example there? angel
Not like wealthy Arabs who can only give their wives enough money to shop and are unable to satisfy them, thus leaving many sexually frustrated.
peaceNo one is forcing those women to get married. If they do not think it is worth it, they wouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Plus, the big number of women left unmarried in a monogamous world, will be more frustrated because they will have no sexual satisfaction at all, except through unlawful means.
Peace,
Good point sister Farida!!! Men are too greedy, they want too much and cannot manage it ;D
Maria
Yeah, greedy men taking care of multiple women, providing them with family and children! Those women would have been better off prostituting themselves, right? Isn't that what you want?
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No one is forcing those women to get married. If they do not think it is worth it, they wouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Plus, the big number of women left unmarried in a monogamous world, will be more frustrated because they will have no sexual satisfaction at all, except through unlawful means.
Salaam
In fact I urge women to demand marriage of men and not allow men to degrade them by taking them as girlfriends or mistresses.Yeah, greedy men taking care of multiple women, providing them with family and children! Those women would have been better off prostituting themselves, right? Isn't that what you want?
To find out my views about polygyny please see my thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16043.0
I do not argue about the permission to take more than one wife, however I want men to remember that it's not a joke but a permission from God for very valid reasons and you either comply with all the responsibilities of a husband or stick to just the one wife (or none).peace
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No one is forcing those women to get married. If they do not think it is worth it, they wouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Plus, the big number of women left unmarried in a monogamous world, will be more frustrated because they will have no sexual satisfaction at all, except through unlawful means.
Yeah, greedy men taking care of multiple women, providing them with family and children! Those women would have been better off prostituting themselves, right? Isn't that what you want?
Nop you are absolutely on a wrong side they are not marrying them out of mercy are to help them and you know that very well and still trying to cover their wrongs.
a few months back a 90 years old Saudi millioner paid a poor Egyptian family to marry their 16 years young daughter but the court took action against him and stopped that marriage.
Why he never tried to find a widow are divorce women why he need a virgin?
Fahad tell me will you marry a 90 years old women. hmm
peace