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    SwedenMajidah
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    Peace,

    http//ca.youtube.com/watch?v=3oADC5KhUBM&feature=related

    Well yes God has many names.

    Maria

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      Peace,
      Respectfully.

      God has many names and they are all spelled out in The Quran. I personally think, believe and know that we must be careful when calling God names that are not from The Quran.

      If God says that He is The All-Seer, then yes, we can say that He is The All-Seer.
      Right?

      Peace.

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        Salam

        God warned us from calling him with names that are not his.

        7180 "And to God belong the beautiful names, so call Him by them; and ignore those who blaspheme in His names. They will be punished for what they used to do"

        " "

        I think God names are all in these verses

        5922 He is God; there is no other god beside Him. Knower of all secrets and declarations. He is the Almighty, the Merciful.
        5923 He is God; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Holy, the Peace, the Faithful, the Supreme, the Noble, the Powerful, the Dignified. God be glorified; far above what they set up.
        5924 He is God; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the Earth. He is the Noble, the Wise.

        Peace

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          SwedenMajidah
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          Peace,

          But The Torah and Gospels are also the Scriptures from God.
          The name Allah is because Quran is in Arabic language.

          Maria

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            I don't think it is appropriate to use this word Jehovah. As the vowels for YHWH do not exist anymore.

            http//islam.thetruecall.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=328

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              Hope
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              Peace,

              But The Torah and Gospels are also the Scriptures from God.
              The name Allah is because Quran is in Arabic language.

              Maria

              yes, i fully agree with u , we believe in all god scriptures

              But as far as i understand God preserved the quran only, and asked us to follow it.

              he told us in the quran that the other scriptures has been altered.

              peace

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                Hope
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                how can i copy a qoute correctely?

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                  SwedenMajidah
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                  Peace,

                  But The Torah and Gospels are also the Scriptures from God.
                  The name Allah is because Quran is in Arabic language.

                  Maria

                  yes, i fully agree with u , we believe in all god scriptures

                  But as far as i understand God preserved the quran only, and asked us to follow it.

                  he told us in the quran that the other scriptures has been altered.

                  peace

                  Yes, the Quran is the final scripture but God doesn't said it replaced but confirmed the other scriptures from God.

                  When you will post a quote, you must push the button for quote in the upper right corner of the message and then start write after this
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                  Maria

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                    SwedenMajidah
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                    I don't think it is appropriate to use this word Jehovah. As the vowels for YHWH do not exist anymore.

                    http//islam.thetruecall.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=328

                    Yeah the point was to show that they are same God.

                    This name Jehova, Yahweh was used in the Bible and we know that God says in Quran that we shall believe also in the previous scriptures as same as all his previous messengers.

                    Maria

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                      Yes, the Quran is the final scripture but God doesn't said it replaced but confirmed the other scriptures from God.

                      When you will post a quote, you must push the button for quote in the upper right corner of the message and then start write after this .

                      Maria

                      of course, the quran is confirming the previous scriptures, God has one religion (Deen).
                      But my point is how can we be sure that these names you mentioned are not man made...created by scholars ???

                      i hope i did the qoute right this time ;D

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                        Hope
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                        The qoute was right this time

                        Thanks Maria

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                          SwedenMajidah
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                          The qoute was right this time

                          Thanks Maria )

                          Your welcome sister )

                          Maria

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                            Peaceto all,

                            Mariah, also remember Jesus himself never called God Jehovah, or yahwe, he used an aramaic word eliha, which actually sounds closer to Allah,

                            Kurt

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                              SwedenMajidah
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                              I don't think it is appropriate to use this word Jehovah. As the vowels for YHWH do not exist anymore.

                              http//islam.thetruecall.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=328

                              Peace,

                              Yes, but I have copied some facts here from your link and that shows that in Quran there are similar meanings to that word Yahweh.

                              Does Quran Make Any Reference to YHWH?

                              So far we have learnt 4 points which I will list so as to refresh all that we have learnt so far

                              Actual pronunciation of YHWH is lost
                              YHWH means ?Self-Subsisting?, ?The Living?
                              Jesus did not use the term ?YHWH?
                              Christians cannot deny that traveling from Hebrew to Greek another term was used to refer to YHWH.

                              Thus we see that the Quran should have a reference to the term YHWH rather than having the term ?YHWH? as the Quran was revealed in the Arabic and not the Hebrew. The golden question thus would be was any such reference made to the term ?YHWH? in the Quran or by Prophet Muhammad (saw)?

                              The answer is a definite ?YES?.

                              We have learnt so far that the meaning of the term ?YHWH? is The Living, Self Subsisting and although the term ?Allah? is used in the Quran, this word simply means ?The God?.

                              However, we know that Islamic teachings inform us of 99 names (attributes) of Allah (swt) and the Quran informs us that to Allah (swt) belongs the most beautiful names and we can call him by any of these beautiful names

                              He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most beautiful names whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. ?

                              Say ?Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well) for to Him belong the Most beautiful names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between.? ?

                              Thus we see that there are many different names of Allah (swt), some of which I have listed below

                              Al-?Adl - The Just, The Equitable
                              Al-?Afuw - The Pardoner
                              Al-?Asim - The Protector
                              Ad-Dafi` - The Remover of Tribulations
                              Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem - The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

                              Just like these above-mentioned beautiful names of Allah (swt) we also learn of two other names which are

                              Hayyul-Qayyum ? The Living, Self-Subsisting

                              YHWH ? The Living, Self-Subsisting

                              Here it has been proven that there is clear reference to the name YHWH in Islam which crumbles the Christian stand that Islam has no reference to the name YHWH and thus Prophet Muhammad (saw) is not the Messenger of Allah (swt).

                              Stressed Importance of Hayyul-Qayyum

                              One of the verses which has Allah (swt) referred to by the name Hayyul-Qayyum is in Ayat-ul-Qursi (The Verse of the Throne). Ayat-ul-Qursi has multitude benefits but apart from Ayat-ul-Qursi having its benefits, the verse with ?Hayyul-Qayyum? mentioned was referred to by Prophet Muhammad (saw) as the ?greatest?

                              Ubayy b. Ka'b said Allah's Messenger (May peace be upon him) said O Abu' al-Mundhir, do you know the verse from the Book of Allah which, according to you, is the greatest? I said Allah and His Apostle (May peace be upon him) know best. He again said Abu'l-Mundhir, do you know the verse from the Book of Allah which, according to you, is the greatest? I said "Allahu La ilaha illa Huwal Hayyul Qayyum." Thereupon he struck me on my breast and said May knowledge be pleasant for you, O Abu'l-Mundhir! ?

                              In another narration, Prophet Muhammad (saw) heard the man use ?Hayyul-Qayyum? in his supplication and the Prophet (saw) said that he has supplicated using Allah?s Greatest Name

                              Narrated by Anas Ibn Malik I was sitting with the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) and a man was offering prayer. He then made supplication O Allah, I ask Thee by virtue of the fact that praise is due to Thee, there is no deity but Thou, Who showest favour and beneficence, the Originator of the Heavens and the earth, O Lord of Majesty and Splendour, O Living One, O Eternal One.

                              The Prophet (pbuh) then said He has supplicated Allah using His Greatest Name, when supplicated by this name, He answers, and when asked by this name He gives. ?

                              Yet another hadith to show the importance stressed by Prophet Muhammad (saw) on the Hayyul-Qayyum

                              Narrated by Asma' daughter of Yazid The Prophet (pbuh) said Allah's Greatest Name is in these two verses "And your deity is one deity; there is no deity but He, the Compassionate the Merciful," and the beginning of Surah Al 'Imran, A.L.M. "Allahu La ilaha illa Huwal Hayyul Qayyum." ?

                              Conclusion

                              With the grace of Allah (swt) it can be seen that is a clear reference to YHWH in the Quran. This reference is much stronger than what the Christians claim to be a reference to YHWH in the New Testament. The word ?ego eimi? is in no way the Greek word for YHWH nor does it hold the meaning of YHWH. However as seen, there is a clear reference to the term YHWH in the Quran as well as the Hadith.

                              The Quran gives us many beautiful names of Allah (swt), some of which have been mentioned above, and a Muslim can call upon Allah (swt) with any of his beautiful names unlike the followers of the Bible who do not even know how to pronounce the ?personal name? revealed to them. Indeed much of the truth in those books is lost just like the pronunciation of YHWH is lost and the Quran is sent to restore that which is lost ? The Criterion.

                              Some More Beautiful Names of Allah (swt)

                              Al-Ghani ? The Self-Sufficient, The Rich Beyond Need
                              Al-Awwal ? The First
                              Al-?Akhir ? The Last
                              Al-Barr ? The Source of All Goodness
                              A-Baqi ? The Everlasting One
                              Al-Haqq ? The Truth
                              Al-Khaliq ? The Creator
                              Al-Kafi ? The Sufficient One
                              Ash-Shahid ? The Witness

                              Indeed to Allah (swt) belong the most beautiful names.

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                                Salam,

                                Exo 313 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
                                Exo 314 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM (ahaya ashar ahaya) and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

                                In 314 the word is alif-ha-ya-ha basically "I exist/am/be"
                                In other places it is ya-ha-va/wa-ha which would be "he exists/is"

                                The root is haya (ha-ya-ha)

                                The root word retains the same meaning and usage in all the semitic languages and briefly/generally means exist, be, become

                                Essentially when someone says Jahovah/YHWH/Yehova/Yahawa they are saying He who exists/the existant one (or some variation thereof)

                                Next, if we can agree that Allah does indeed exist, then we can agree that to call Allah the existing one is indeed one of his attributes/appalations/names since He exists.

                                So, in my opinion, there should really be no objection to calling Allah YHWH, if you understand the meaning of the words. Unless, of course, the person objecting is an atheist.

                                Salam,
                                Arnab

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                                  SwedenMajidah
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                                  Salam,

                                  Exo 313 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
                                  Exo 314 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM (ahaya ashar ahaya) and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

                                  In 314 the word is alif-ha-ya-ha basically "I exist/am/be"
                                  In other places it is ya-ha-va/wa-ha which would be "he exists/is"

                                  The root is haya (ha-ya-ha)

                                  The root word retains the same meaning and usage in all the semitic languages and briefly/generally means exist, be, become

                                  Essentially when someone says Jahovah/YHWH/Yehova/Yahawa they are saying He who exists/the existant one (or some variation thereof)

                                  Next, if we can agree that Allah does indeed exist, then we can agree that to call Allah the existing one is indeed one of his attributes/appalations/names since He exists.

                                  So, in my opinion, there should really be no objection to calling Allah YHWH, if you understand the meaning of the words. Unless, of course, the person objecting is an atheist.

                                  Salam,
                                  Arnab

                                  Peace,

                                  Exactly, there is nothing wrong if you know what you are saying.
                                  God in my language is GUD pronounced with and u sound.

                                  Maria

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                                    Yeah the point was to show that they are same God.

                                    This name Jehova, Yahweh was used in the Bible and we know that God says in Quran that we shall believe also in the previous scriptures as same as all his previous messengers.

                                    Maria

                                    It is not Jehova, or Yahweh. The phonetics of YHWH, are not known.

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                                      SwedenMajidah
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                                      It is not Jehova, or Yahweh. The phonetics of YHWH, are not known.

                                      That is your opinion.
                                      I see nothing wrong in it.

                                      Maria

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                                        Essentially when someone says Jahovah/YHWH/Yehova/Yahawa they are saying He who exists/the existant one (or some variation thereof)

                                        Peace all
                                        Arnab is right; when saying Allah in Arabic, sometimes we say "Allahoo"--which means, in Arabic, Ella Howa (Thy One).
                                        Yahawa = Ya + howa
                                        = Ella + howa
                                        = Thy One
                                        Also, we can note that Issa = Jesus, Yousuf=Joeseph, Dawood=David, etc.
                                        Thus, I believe that Yahawa=Allah.
                                        Peace

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                                          Assalaam Alaikum

                                          To the 'Torah Peddlers', the 'Torah' nor the Biblical text were revealed by Allah. References to YWHW, Jehovah, Yahweh are ALL derived terms from the imagination of Men.

                                          "Yahweh defined This gloomy ruler has three names "The first name is Yaldabaoth. The second is Saklas (the fool). The third is Samael (god of the blind)."

                                          Reference (The Secret Book of John, from Marvin Meyer's The Secret Teachings Of Jesus Four Gnostic Gospels, p.65, pub. A.D. 1986)


                                          The early Israelites were actually polytheists and their other principle dieties were Baal/Baalzebub and Astaroth (who were later demonised of course).

                                          Jdg 213 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.

                                          When the ancient Hebrew lexicographers added vowels to YHWH, they borrowed the vowels of the powerful Egyptian and Phoenician Sun God deities. When the vowels of the Egyptian Sun God Aten were added, YHWH became Y{A}HW{E}H...

                                          When the vowels of the Phoenician Sun God Adonai were added, YHWH became Y{A}H{O}W{A}H, which finally became ?JEHOVAH? which translates ?I am? and ?The Eternal One? in Hebrew. The Hebrew verb is ?halvah,? from which the name YHWH is derived. The verb ?halvah? means, ?to be.?


                                          From Mark S. Smith's The Early History of God Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel

                                          Yet early on, Yahweh is understood as Israel's god in distinction to El. Deuteronomy 328-9 casts Yahweh in the role of one of the sons of El

                                          Deu 328 When the 'El-Yown {el-yone'} divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

                                          Deu 329 For the Y@hovah {yeh-ho-vaw'};portion his people Jacob the lot of his inheritance.

                                          "This passage presents an order in which each deity received its own nation. Israel was the nation that Yahweh received. It also suggests that Yahweh, originally a warrior-god from Sinai/Paran/Edom/Teiman, was known separately from El at an early point in early Israel . Perhaps due to trade with Edom/Midian, Yahweh entered secondarily into the Israelite highland religion. Passages such as Deuteronomy 328-9 suggest a literary vestige of the initial assimilation of Yahweh, the southern warrior-god, into the larger highland pantheism, headed by El; other texts point to Asherah (El's consort) and to Baal and other deities as members of this pantheon. In time, El and Yahweh were identified, while Yahweh and Baal co-existed and later competed as warrior-gods. As the following chapter (section 2) suggests, one element in this competition involved Yahweh's assimilation of language and motifs originally associated with Baal."

                                          "Will you call upon Baal and forsake the Best of Creators,-

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