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    asdfjk
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    Peace, everyone.

    I'm new to Islam and have a quick question. Regarding praying, "praying" is what I call it and that's what I've been doing. So, what is meant my du'a? I figured salat meant praying, does it?

    Thanks for any clarification.

    THANK YOU FOR SITE, LOVE IT.

    --Tallone

    Salaams Tallone

    Welcome to the Forum and congratuations on being a new Muslim.

    As with a number of quranic terms there is some discussion over the precise meaning (lets say translation!) of the word Salat. Some people here talk about it as a contact-prayer, or "learning-connection". Other will use the term 'congregational prayer' or simply "Assembly." It has been a long-standing and wide rangeing debate on this site and I don't pretend to be able to articulate the various shades of opinion that have been expressed - but hopefully the above will give you some idea.

    Dua is taken by most people to also mean prayer and its translation is less contentious. For myself the closest English word would be 'supplication'. I'm sure others will be able to offer their views on this - my own understanding is nothing more than that!

    peace bro, May the God bless you

    asdfjk

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      Thank you. BTW, me Girl. wink

      --TallOne

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        warda
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        Salam

        Then perhaps now is as good as any time to unlearn what you have learned. Take the good things and throw out the unnecessary things that are not true.

        Yes, Joe thats what Im doing now. But strangely enough it is sometimes harder than it seems. Cause I got so brainwashed during the past years.

        THANKS FOR ALL YOUR REPLIES ! )

        SALAMS
        warda

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          asdfjk
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          Thank you. BTW, me Girl. wink

          --TallOne

          salaams
          ! oops !
          guess its my cultural programmng showing thru sister
          peace
          asdfjk

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            bluerose
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            with regards to being veiled while praying, i only wear it because i feel uncomfortable not wearing it, due to my upbringing. to my knowledge, there's no quranic basis for it. however, i think it's important to wear one in the masjid out of respect for muslim culture- in the same sense that it would be "improper" to wear white to a funeral.

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              drfazl
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              Prayer is asking only Him.
              Salat is Purifying the Mind sothat it is in touch with Allah always.
              Clothing including head-scarf for prayer and salat is ritual; what we require is Fear for Him and lowering of Gaze, during prayer and salat.
              Prayer can be done even in bathroom.
              Salat is keptup while in distress and thereafter without letup, anywhere and anytime; everywhere, all time!

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                I used to pray when I first converted, but now I never do (the way muslims do), and it is because when I put on the hijab, I feel unsettled and filthy. It is difficult to concentrate on worshipping God when you feel this way. The whole issue of hijab to me seems illogical and unfair, both qualitites that do not belong to the God I believe in.

                If you say it is to protect women from men who are not her husband, and I am praying with my husband, then why put it?

                Then the argument comes about the djinn...okay, but then if the djinn are with us, would not the woman keep the hijab at all times even when she is alone at home, just in case some nasty horny djinn is peeping?

                And finally, if it is an issue of respect and submission to God, which I would totally do if I believed it was, then why not also the men? Are men not also to show humility and submission?

                I've raised the same questions this thread explores, for the past ten years, without ever knowing there was a group like this. I've wanted to pray, but have insisted on praying my own way, without hijab. And I do, quite often. Yet, I was missing the peace and stillness that I used to feel while praying a bit more ritualistically (in between adjusting the scarf on my head).

                Now that it is Ramadan and I am more focused on my spirituality, I'm driven to pray again, and I guess, like some others have said, have been conditioned enough to be afraid my prayers won't be accepted - even though that's the silliest thing I've ever heard when I think about it logically. The biggest worry I have is that my rejection of the hijab is really just me being prideful - that I am resisting submitting the way God has asked me to. Yet, I've searched and searched, and it's just not there. If I could read where it said it was necessary, I would do it. But as it stands, it sounds to me like it's a manmade rule - and more importantly, something people focus on instead of the main purpose of prayer, which is to worship.

                I just think that God knows what is in my heart. And if my heart is calm with my hair pulled back in a ponytail so I can focus on God, He'd rather that than if my heart was in a jumble of confusion and doubt with my head all covered up.

                But man, it sure is a steep hill to climb when all the muslim women you know disagree with you.

                Anyway, that's my ramble...I just had to reply because this is the topic I was searching for that brought me to this sight to begin with. It seems like such a petty topic in the grand scheme of Islam, but so much importance is placed on it, that it has caused me great stress.

                Salams
                Danielle

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                  peace4life
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                  Salam

                  If the point of headcover is to cover up from men, then what would that have to do with what you do for Allah when you worship? He knows you inside out anyway, so as long as you are dressed modestly. It's not like male messengers are looking down on you and we're not praying for them.

                  Allah has already specified advice for dress code for women in the Quran in case you are worried.

                  Peace

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                    SwedenMajidah
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                    Salam

                    If the point of headcover is to cover up from men, then what would that have to do with what you do for Allah when you worship? He knows you inside out anyway, so as long as you are dressed modestly. It's not like male messengers are looking down on you and we're not praying for them.

                    Allah has already specified advice for dress code for women in the Quran in case you are worried.

                    Peace

                    Peace,

                    Yes, Allah is closest to us so why be shy for Allah about how you are created?
                    In salat and do'a we are often speak out about our most hidden feelings and when we let go off them we can say we becomes naked.

                    But I think we shall put on clothes that we feel free and fresh in when we perform salat, that will probably help us to come in right mood.

                    Maria

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                      Peace,

                      Yes, Allah is closest to us so why be shy for Allah about how you are created?
                      In salat and do'a we are often speak out about our most hidden feelings and when we let go off them we can say we becomes naked.

                      But I think we shall put on clothes that we feel free and fresh in when we perform salat, that will probably help us to come in right mood.

                      Maria

                      Hijab is not from Allah but for Mr. > not to pis on your head and yes when you take bath dont remove ur cloths too voodoo

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                        Soraya
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                        salam sister..\

                        welll I guess this matter is still in discussion..anyway you lead me to TWO Questions..
                        Someone wrote do not confuse salat and prayers??well my 1st question is what's the difference between these two?

                        My second question is do u feel really at ease when not covering your head with a hijab?coz frankly I cant..nor will i be able to concentrate..am gonna feel something is missing from me,really..u might find it funny though

                        Fee Amanillah,
                        Sister Soraya..

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                          SwedenMajidah
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                          salam sister..\

                          welll I guess this matter is still in discussion..anyway you lead me to TWO Questions..
                          Someone wrote do not confuse salat and prayers??well my 1st question is what's the difference between these two?

                          My second question is do u feel really at ease when not covering your head with a hijab?coz frankly I cant..nor will i be able to concentrate..am gonna feel something is missing from me,really..u might find it funny though

                          Fee Amanillah,
                          Sister Soraya..

                          salam sister Soraya,

                          I think that person who wrote salat and prayers was meaning don't confuse salat and do'a. Salat is performed on fixed times but do'a you can perform anytime you want.

                          To wear an hijjab can become as an habit and we all know that habits are difficult to get rid of. Only if we are sincere enough to end an habit we more easily will be able to do it.

                          I was wearing an hijjab during 8 years of my muslim life and I really wanted to take it off. It was difficult because I thought people would look at me and undress me and question me for not wearing it. But finally I felt more secure and happy without it.
                          But it took longer time to stop use the hijjab while perform salat because that had became a real habit for me and actually i felt so clean and pure while wearing that long white praying clothes.
                          Now I feel better and I also feel closer to God when not hide myself behind a veil, and we can never hide from God anyway so it's useless to practise such a ritual with special clothes.

                          The salat is about reaching out to God and it's benefits is for ourselves not for God.

                          Maria

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                            TAJ
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                            Hijab is not from Allah but for Mr. >D not to pis on your head and yes when you take bath dont remove ur cloths too voodoo

                            rotfl

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                              SwedenMajidah
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                              rotfl

                              Peace sister Taj,

                              Happy to see you laugh at quotes like that of br afridi

                              Maria

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                                Alen
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                                Salam Aleikum

                                Can anybody please tell me where it says in the Quran that women have to cover their head when praying?
                                I searched the Site and Forum for it but didn`t find anything.

                                Thanks in advance
                                Salam
                                warda

                                Peace,
                                Respectfully.

                                The God doesn't mention praying with hijab is obligatory.
                                I believe that sunnis have carried on with the tradition of head wear and i also believe that hijab is not compulsory for a woman.
                                Read The Quran.

                                Glory be to our God.
                                Peace.

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                                  TheNabi
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                                  Peace

                                  well my 1st question is what's the difference between these two?

                                  Anyone can do du'a, salaat is more of a requirement of a distinct group of people and is not necessarily something anyone can or will do.

                                  My second question is do u feel really at ease when not covering your head with a hijab?coz frankly I cant..nor will i be able to concentrate..am gonna feel something is missing from me,really..u might find it funny though

                                  I'd advice you to get you head straight. Unless you're praying about the horrible condition of your headscarf and are asking your god to help you in some way with it you should focus on the intent of your prayer/s. God knows what you feel, how you look inside and out, what you hide and what you reveal. I think your feeling uncomfortable before your rabb is just you being in ignorance of your lord. Hopefully what you will find missing, a missing burden, will be a tradition that overshadows God's guidance.

                                  Joe

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                                    drfazl
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                                    Prayer is realizing and understanding who God is and then rehearsing all the time in His remembrance and believing in Him alone. He is the One and the only who had revealed to us of our needs in both the worlds in the first place. We should not repeat to Him with our own physical words as dua, as our language is full of limitations that can only fit in to the physical things and ask from Him only the material benefits in this world; and we forbid ourselves the wisdom of unseen world tomorrow, the real Wish of Allah in our hearts.

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                                    When your Hajj is thus Blessed, remember Allah even more, as you used to remember your fathers. Some say ?O God! Give us everything in this world.? For such there is no good in the hereafter.
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                                    Yet, some among them say ? O our God, give us good things in this life; and good things in the hereafter; and save us from the torment of fire.?

                                    We must follow the verse 2 201 and shall be doubly careful when we make our dua, the language we use mainly cater to this material world. It is best to receive the Wish from Allah as such and believe in it as if it were granted to us already. This is the way to dignify Allah, for when Allah decrees on something all that He has to say to it is "Be!" And it is! Now it is there in our hearts as our deepest Wishes; preserve the "Be!" of Him and thereafter wait in patience for the hereafter. This is prayerful dua.

                                    Prayer is realizing and understanding who Allah is; and dua is believing in His Might and Power over all things. Prayerful dua is believing in God send messages i.e the deep wishes and keeping up patience thereafter.
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                                      pcborg
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                                      Salaam,

                                      I have dealt with the topic of women covering their head in the Qur'an in depth along with the topic of salaat, my papers can be found on my website, www.detailedquran.com

                                      if you have any questions then email me from the site.

                                      Regarding covering the head in prayer per say, there is no mention of it in the qur'an to the best of my knowledge. However if you are out or in public, then you must wear it as part of the guidance of Allah for woman's dress code.

                                      salaam.

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                                        Soraya
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                                        Assalamu Alaykum,
                                        today while performing my salat fajr, I worn a 3/4 short and a top since when I woke up I wore that and if I would take time to look for proper and decent clothes, am definitely gonna be late for work...My question is Are my salats accepted??

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                                          Peace,

                                          Assalamu Alaykum,
                                          today while performing my salat fajr, I worn a 3/4 short and a top since when I woke up I wore that and if I would take time to look for proper and decent clothes, am definitely gonna be late for work...My question is Are my salats accepted??

                                          What has salat got to do with clothes?

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