How do you pray?
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Peace,
Good answer Wakas. I can't disagree with that. That is the truth of it all.
But Anna be prepared to feel like this forum is for the wretched and full of kuffar who call themselves believers, and that if this is the face of progressive islam that there is no hope for the Muslims, after some of your encounters here. Be prepared for those who don't agree with the way you see it on this forum to be ready for a smack down if you don't understand the way they do it and challenge them for answers. I don't think this smack-down method is very healthy for conversation but it is the free-minds way. So be ready for some long (many times pointless) debates from those who may not see your point (or want to see it) or from those who will unapologetically assume all they can about you (sometimes being right and sometimes dead wrong) but still want to argue with you about it. I realize I could end up being one of those people in theory, but i do my best not to be that way when I engage others on this forum (of course others may have differing opinions I can only tell you from my persepctive). And in the end it will all come down to you and those freinds and family who you happen to come accross that can agree with you on the key issues that you find important. This is computer talk and will most likely stay just that. I know that might be somewhat of a negative introduction, but I'm just keeping it real. I still do wish you the best here on your journey for truth.
Godbless,
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Peace,
Good answer Wakas. I can't disagree with that. That is the truth of it all.
But Anna be prepared to feel like this forum is for the wretched and full of kuffar who call themselves believers, and that if this is the face of progressive islam that there is no hope for the Muslims, after some of your encounters here. Be prepared for those who don't agree with the way you see it on this forum to be ready for a smack down if you don't understand the way they do it and challenge them for answers. I don't think this smack-down method is very healthy for conversation but it is the free-minds way. So be ready for some long (many times pointless) debates from those who may not see your point (or want to see it) or from those who will unapologetically assume all they can about you (sometimes being right and sometimes dead wrong) but still want to argue with you about it. I realize I could end up being one of those people in theory, but i do my best not to be that way when I engage others on this forum (of course others may have differing opinions I can only tell you from my persepctive). And in the end it will all come down to you and those freinds and family who you happen to come accross that can agree with you on the key issues that you find important. This is computer talk and will most likely stay just that. I know that might be somewhat of a negative introduction, but I'm just keeping it real. I still do wish you the best here on your journey for truth.
Godbless,
Anwarwell thank you , wonderful introduction, straight forward thats how i like it.
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Peace Anwar,
Peace,
Good answer Wakas. I can't disagree with that. That is the truth of it all.
But Anna be prepared to feel like this forum is for the wretched and full of kuffar who call themselves believers, and that if this is the face of progressive islam that there is no hope for the Muslims, after some of your encounters here. Be prepared for those who don't agree with the way you see it on this forum to be ready for a smack down if you don't understand the way they do it and challenge them for answers. I don't think this smack-down method is very healthy for conversation but it is the free-minds way. So be ready for some long (many times pointless) debates from those who may not see your point (or want to see it) or from those who will unapologetically assume all they can about you (sometimes being right and sometimes dead wrong) but still want to argue with you about it. I realize I could end up being one of those people in theory, but i do my best not to be that way when I engage others on this forum (of course others may have differing opinions I can only tell you from my persepctive). And in the end it will all come down to you and those freinds and family who you happen to come accross that can agree with you on the key issues that you find important. This is computer talk and will most likely stay just that. I know that might be somewhat of a negative introduction, but I'm just keeping it real. I still do wish you the best here on your journey for truth.
Godbless,
AnwarBeautiful!
peace
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I think this salat issue is one of the challanges for the quran only followers, and the most used by sunni to debate with...God says thet everything is fully detailed in his book ...so every thing is fully detailed including salat...i have read many articles concerning salat in this forum and in another arabic forum and try to pick up what convince my mind...God order us to listen to the saying and to follow the best...i have tried many form for salat...but this is the one i do right now...not saying it is the right way but it is as far as i understand for now.
I pray three times a day
just before sun rise (which unfortuntey i sometimes missed -[)
just before sunset
and at night.I do ablution as in vesre 56
i stand facing any spot
i read verses from the quran
then i prostrate saying "Praise be to our Lord. Truly, the promise of our Lord was fulfilled.?
and "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.?
then i stand up again read more verses and prostrate.
then i stand glorify God and and says Dooas espcially that written in the book. and end praising him looking forward to hear ur comments. sunPeace
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I think this salat issue is one of the challanges for the quran only followers, and the most used by sunni to debate with...God says thet everything is fully detailed in his book ...so every thing is fully detailed including salat...i have read many articles concerning salat in this forum and in another arabic forum and try to pick up what convince my mind...God order us to listen to the saying and to follow the best...i have tried many form for salat...but this is the one i do right now...not saying it is the right way but it is as far as i understand for now.
I pray three times a day
just before sun rise (which unfortuntey i sometimes missed -[)
just before sunset
and at night.I do ablution as in vesre 56
i stand facing any spot
i read verses from the quran
then i prostrate saying "Praise be to our Lord. Truly, the promise of our Lord was fulfilled.?
and "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.?
then i stand up again read more verses and prostrate.
then i stand glorify God and and says Dooas espcially that written in the book. and end praising him looking forward to hear ur comments. sunPeace
inna l2a3mal bil niyat, however you pray i beleive god will see
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Greetings, my dear brothers and sisters,
This is how I pray, in detail
No of contact prayers = 7 = 3 compulsory prayers + 4 additional ones (7 is my lucky number). No of rakats = 19.
Timings,
Tahajud, before Fajr = 1 rakat.
Fajr = 2 rakats.
After Fajr = 1 rakat.
Wusl = 4 rakats.
After Wusl = 4 rakats.
Isha = 3 Rakats.
After Isha = 4 rakats.
I don't always follow this pattern, I miss out the additional prayers at times, such as Tahajjud and the one after Isha.
My physical movements are currently a combination of Sunni/Shi'a methods, minus associating the prophet with Allah (swt). I also do not add the Egyptian pagan God's name (Amun/Amen/Ameen) after al-Fatihah or my duas.
Peace.
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Greetings, my dear brothers and sisters,
This is how I pray, in detail
No of contact prayers = 7 = 3 compulsory prayers + 4 additional ones (7 is my lucky number). No of rakats = 19.
Timings,
Tahajud, before Fajr = 1 rakat.
Fajr = 2 rakats.
After Fajr = 1 rakat.
Wusl = 4 rakats.
After Wusl = 4 rakats.
Isha = 3 Rakats.
After Isha = 4 rakats.
I don't always follow this pattern, I miss out the additional prayers at times, such as Tahajjud and the one after Isha.
My physical movements are currently a combination of Sunni/Shi'a methods, minus associating the prophet with Allah (swt). I also do not add the Egyptian pagan God's name (Amun/Amen/Ameen) after al-Fatihah or my duas.
Peace.
Peace,
wow it sound much....
Have you time for other activities?Maria
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Peace all,
It's wonderful to see everyone being proactive with their choice/methods of prayer. It shows ones awareness of their current understanding of their relationship towards God. However, based on 'The Reading', I understand that the prophet did lead the prayer in a congregation made up of several rows. Surely, they must've all prayed similarly otherwise the prophet could not have led the prayer if all his followers prayed differently. Is there a simple explanation to this that I may have missed or should we all eventually agree upon the method of prayer at some point in the near future (Insya'Allah)!? -
Peace,
wow it sound much....
Have you time for other activities?Maria
Not really, it's not too long for me compared to how Hanafi Sunnis pray -
Tahajjud - minimum 2 rakats.
Fajr - 2 rakats sunnat + 2 rakats fardh
Ishtar - 2 rakats
Doha - 2 rakats
Dhuhr - 4 rakats Sunnat + 4 Rakats Fardh + 2 rakats Sunnat
Asr - 4 rakats Fardh
Maghrid - 3 rakats Fardh + 2 Rakats Sunnat
Isha - 4 rakats Sunnat + 4 rakats Fardh + 2 Rakats Sunnat
Witr - 3 rakats.
Total - 42-ish, depending on whether Ishtar, Doha, and Tahajjud are performed or not.
Not to mention the 20+ rakats Tarawi during Ramadhan >>
Peace.
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peace,
Peace all,
It's wonderful to see everyone being proactive with their choice/methods of prayer. It shows ones awareness of their current understanding of their relationship towards God. However, based on 'The Reading', I understand that the prophet did lead the prayer in a congregation made up of several rows. Surely, they must've all prayed similarly otherwise the prophet could not have led the prayer if all his followers prayed differently. Is there a simple explanation to this that I may have missed or should we all eventually agree upon the method of prayer at some point in the near future (Insya'Allah)!?Yes, there is a simple explanation, it is called having a preconception
http//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/preconceptionI assume you are referring to 4101-103. If you look at the Classical Arabic meanings of "salat" and the usage of "sujud" in The Quran it is impossible to conclude that "prayer" took place based on these verses. It is simply one possibility.
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Peace Wakas,
Those are precisely the verses I was referring to, thank you for citing them. I understand where you are coming from in terms of how having a preconceived understanding of the meaning of 'salat' influences the overall construction of those verses. However, how else would you explain those verses if you don't use the commonly understood meaning of 'salat' which is prayer. It just doesn't seem to make sense otherwise.
I looked through all 8 pages of this discussion and I couldn't find your method of salat. Have you posted it elsewhere on this forum? I would very much like to see how you understand the concept of salat.
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Peace Wakas,
I've briefly looked at the articles you've mentioned and am quite impressed with some of your analogies. Especially where 'salat' is used in chapter 9 verses 1-12. You make some interesting conclusions. However, I read chapter 98 verses 1-8 just this morning and it's clear that Allah is very stern with the 'Ahlil Kitaabi wal Mushrikiina'.
Allah states
al-Baiyinah 098005
Transliteration Wama omiroo illa liyaAAbudoo Allaha mukhliseena lahu alddeena hunafaa wayuqeemoo alssalata wayu/too alzzakata wathalika deenu alqayyimati
Literal And they were not ordered/commanded except to worship God faithful/loyal/devoted to Him (in) the religion (as) submitters/Unifiers of God , and they keep up the prayers, and they give/bring the charity/purification , and that (is) the straight/valuable religion.al-Baiyinah 098006
Transliteration Inna allatheena kafaroo min ahli alkitabi waalmushrikeena fee nari jahannama khalideena feeha ola-ika hum sharru albariyyati
Literal That truly those who disbelieved from the Book's people and the sharers/takers of partners (with God are) in Hell's fire immortally/eternally in it, those, they are the creation's worst.My question is, why can't Allah insist that they mend their ways of 'salat'? Who are the 'mushrikeena'? Perhaps they were already establishing 'salat' but interjected other sayings/praises to previous prophets and Allah was insisting that they perfect their 'salat' now that He has perfected the system and revealed it through prophet Muhammad.
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Peace all,
It's wonderful to see everyone being proactive with their choice/methods of prayer. It shows ones awareness of their current understanding of their relationship towards God. However, based on 'The Reading', I understand that the prophet did lead the prayer in a congregation made up of several rows. Surely, they must've all prayed similarly otherwise the prophet could not have led the prayer if all his followers prayed differently. Is there a simple explanation to this that I may have missed or should we all eventually agree upon the method of prayer at some point in the near future (Insya'Allah)!?Peace sister,
Why we must agree upon a method of prayer?
Salat is our individual way to reach out to God and it can be done in that way you feel is right for you.
If we really had to reach out in a very exactly manner would you not think God would have clearly mention that way in his Great Reading?Maria
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Peace all,
It's wonderful to see everyone being proactive with their choice/methods of prayer. It shows ones awareness of their current understanding of their relationship towards God. However, based on 'The Reading', I understand that the prophet did lead the prayer in a congregation made up of several rows. Surely, they must've all prayed similarly otherwise the prophet could not have led the prayer if all his followers prayed differently. Is there a simple explanation to this that I may have missed or should we all eventually agree upon the method of prayer at some point in the near future (Insya'Allah)!?Ever been to one of those non-denominational Protestant churches where there is a massive crowd of people lined up in pews, all worshipping GOD in different ways? Some are shouting, some are playing instruments, some laying on the floor, some doing backflips... there's usually a pastor up on the stage also, although, I don't know if you could say he's "leading" them... but they're all in rows, even if they're doing it differently .
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Peace all,
I have more and more come to the conclusion that meditation is a wonderful tool to reach out to God and His blessings.
And therefore it is mentioned only 2 times of salat in Quran because meditation works best when it is quiet and calm and dawn and dusk are such times.
Salat wusta maybe when we reach a very deep meditation and benefit more from it. I think also Br Kyle aka idolfree mentioned this once.Maria
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peace Maria, all,
Many people suggest understandings for XYZ in The Quran. It means very little without evidence.
If people are lazy, feel free to run a suggested understanding through this checklist. If it passes, then one might be onto something.
Unfortunately, "meditation" doesn't come close to passing.
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peace Maria, all,
Many people suggest understandings for XYZ in The Quran. It means very little without evidence.
If people are lazy, feel free to run a suggested understanding through this checklist. If it passes, then one might be onto something.
Unfortunately, "meditation" doesn't come close to passing.
Peace Wakas,
So, do you mean that meditation not fit in because it is not mentioned in Quran?
Salat is a connection with God on fixed times and due to the many different explanations how and where to perform salat throughout Quran I have come to the conclusions that meditation can be a way.
For me connection is to focus and I cannot focus while doing physically bowing and prostrations then it's better I go to the gym for exercise.
The medition part am I doing as the last thing, first I recite surah al-fatiha and read some from Quran. Then praise my God and ask for His forgivness etc. Then I medtate and relax my mind and body.
Maria
